Right. What's the consesus on the engines in the title. Opinions please. I won't be a heavy mile commuter so roughly 7/8k miles per year. Mix of driving conditions to. I was always a diesel fan of late but was not impressed with the 2.0tdi Dsg economy so i am looking at these two engines.

Any thoughts will be appreciated.

Well, the 1.4Tsi is more comparable to the 2.0Tdi for pace. Considering your mileage I'd definitely take the petrol car, but then I'm doing double your mileage and still took the petrol one!

Some people on here are also suggesting that the 1.6 fuel economy isn't much better than the 2.0, but I can't comment on that. Try Honest John's website for 'real' figures.

I suggest you drive them both yourself and make your own mind up though.

Cheers.

Yes only due to the fact this is not going to be a commuter vehicle I'm swaying from diesel. I also did a lot of short journeys of late in a 2.0tdi Dsg and this ruined any economy. It was no better than a petrol engine.

With the petrol price too...got me thinking is the petrol a better option

Sorry I can't really tell what your purpose for the car from your post.  I wanted a family car I could sling around and have some fun in when on my own on very quite roads hence, I choose the TSI because its lighter more nimble and therefore, responsive.

 

I'd phone around some dealers till you find one with both cars on the forecourt that you can back to back test drive and see which one ticks most boxes and BTW. hatchbacks or estates all drive the same.

 

Good luck with your search.

Edited 14 February, 201511 yr by themanwithnoaim

There is a similar debate on here about the 2.0TDI or 1.4TSI.

With your mileage the TSI is the better option.

I test drove the 1.6TDI directly against the TSI when I owned a. 1.6TDI Fabia and bought the 1.4.

The TSI is faster and more responsive than the TDI.

To help you choose use the which petrol or diesel to calculate cost then by the one you really want.

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Over 7-8k miles the difference in fuel costs will be just ~£250 per year. The TSI will feel significantly more powerful, much more refined, will heat up far faster on short journeys, and works superbly with the DSG gearbox. The diesel costs £850 more to purchase but currently holds better resale value so the latter cancels out the former.

The base 1.4TSI DSG costs the best part of £20k. £250 extra for the petrol pa is not a very much considering the purchase prices and driver experience.

The 1.6TDI is an excellent engine, but better suited to higher mileage.

Cheers for all the advice.

The car will be a generic family wagon. I don't do a daily commute so the car is really for moving the family about and holiday journeys.

It doesn't need to be fast or go sideways. It does however need to be 100% better than the previous piece of Crap i owned (2.0 tdi Dsg estate)

Thanks again

If you don't want the elegance spec you could also consider the 1.2TSI.

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Edited 14 February, 201511 yr by Dempsek

Get a tsi, donnot get diesel for that amount of mileage.

I think youve been unlucky with your 2.0; v disappointing to have suffered the issues you have but like most manufacturers you can sadly sometimes end up with a friday afternoon car.

Two things to be aware of though...

The 6 speed DSG as fitted to the 2.0 TDi hurts economy as will be less efficient than the manual car. The 7 speed dry box fitted to the 1.4 TSi and 1.6 TDi is supposed to aid efficiency over the manual equivalent.

Also the VAG TDi motors, particularly since the switch to common rail need rather alot of miles under their belt until they really start showing decent efficiency.

Mine would return low 40's when new but with 18.5k miles on the clock its long term average is now 49mpg with most reasonable journeys now returning into the low/mid 50's and it is continuing to improve. I dont doubt in due course it will begin returning high 50's/low 60's in due course which I would be very happy with

I expect your 2.0 has done v little miles so will not have bedded in yet...also short journeys in any diesel dont tend to return fabulous econony, they of course need to be fully warm to return their best. Petrols do tend to better diesels in this regard.

Thanks for the advice. Very helpful

Thanks for the advice. Very helpful

Considering Pipsyp post it could be as long as 3 years till you see the fuel saving with a diesel by which time you may well have fallen out of love with this new car too, 10p a litre has always been the difference in price between petrol and diesel not matter what their actual cost hence, the monetary saving will always be the same.  Diesels residual value will be affected by its pollution reputation we are starting to see publised and therefore, won't remain high, how long that takes to really affect second hand prices is a point for disagreement but, its gonna happen.  Servicing and maintenance costs are higher on diesels too, don't read too much into my fuel averages either, I'm an exceptional case.

 

All in all I'd say the petrol will suit you best the only question left is can you live with the 1.2 ?

Again good info.

THanks

Tsi=140psi, 1.6 tdi =? Get the tsi (from someone who has a cr!)The end

I think it might be a 1.4 if the dealer can get hold of one and he can do a deal on my rejected 2.0tdi

I expect your 2.0 has done v little miles so will not have bedded in yet...also short journeys in any diesel dont tend to return fabulous econony, they of course need to be fully warm to return their best. Petrols do tend to better diesels in this regard.

165 mile open motorway journey, near constant 75-80mph for entire journey.  Returned a dissapointing 46mpg

 

2.0 + TDI + DSG = bad economy.

 

Out of a 1.4TSI or a 1.6TDI I would go for the TSI every day.  I've driven a few VAG 1.6's and they're workmanlike - they do the job but no frills or enjoyment.

That is poor economy. Well considering the low rate tax for both the 1.6 and 1.4 i think the 1.4 is edging it due to my lower mileage and the lower price of petrol. I have already owned the elegance model so hoping to opt for this again.

That is poor economy. Well considering the low rate tax for both the 1.6 and 1.4 i think the 1.4 is edging it due to my lower mileage and the lower price of petrol. I have already owned the elegance model so hoping to opt for this again.

 

If this helps.....I had a Octy2  2.0PD TDI Combi DSG which was reliable and had fairly good fuel economy. Great car.

 

When I retired my annual mileage plummeted.  The few miles (mainly around town) I now do resulted in pretty poor economy.

 

The change in personal circumstances coupled with the question hovering over long term DSG reliability meant that I began to investigate alternatives. Long story short I ended up with a 1.4TSI DSG Combi (with 5 year warranty) and have not regretted it.

 

Economy about town is about the same. Torque is not so good but then I don't tow a caravan or similar. TSI is a much more civilised drive than the previous PD.

 

There are some downsides, but these are connected to the  well known generic issues with the MQB chassis issues rather than the power trains.

 

So TSI gets my vote.

 

 

BTW - both Octys are Elegance spec.

If you don't want the elegance spec you could also consider the 1.2TSI.

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It has to be elegance spec. The reality is the specs below this are quite spartan in my opinion.

Defo the 1.4TSI, especially if it's to be dsg.  I had a Mk2 with the 1.4 dsg for 4 years before the Mk3 I have now. Previously I had a tdi.  I do similar mileage to you, 8 to 9K a year. 1.4 TSI is smooth and the dsg box works supremely well with it, and it's plenty fast enough.  On a long holiday trip last year (in the Mk2) I got 49/50mpg - I would expect the Mk3 to be better.

Good info. As it stands I have been offered a 1.6 Dsg black series estate to replace the 2.0tdi Dsg elegance (both Mk 3) which was rejected. Does this sound a good deal? The black looks sporty but is poor inside compared to the elegance i ordered.

Personally I'd expect an elegance spec'd car. Anything less and in the long term you're likely to be disappointed?

You also have to take into account, when you reject a car the dealer can allow for due wear and tear. Getting another Elegance might be a bit tough to do.

 

Personally with your type of driving I would get a TSI and ditch a diesel.

The reject was hardly used in fairness. Only 2k miles from new. Hopefully not much of a wear and tear issue