And they said UK wouldnt become a POLICE STATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-13449128,00.html

Next we will all have to fit GPS type devices & plod wont even need to leave the comfort of the Police station !!

Jeeeez, this makes my blood boil. Thanks for letting me read this at breakfast, the perfect start to the day :grumpy:.

If one does'nt speed.....One should'nt be worried

This idea was first aired when I was at uni - 4 years ago. Nothing came of it then because people said they wouldn't be visible enough, I expect the same will happen again.

If one does'nt speed.....One should'nt be worried

How many people do you know who have been done for 33 or 34 in a 30, I know a couple.

All its doing is giving a criminal record to people who thought they were law abiding & giving them a distaste for the Police.

If the Government really wanted to significantly reduce speeding there are more effective ways, unfortunately they wont generate the revenue, anyone ever seen how slow the sweedes drive, if your stopped you get a temporary 48 hour licence after which you are banned until such time as they get round to taking you to court, seems to work very well

I watched a lady the other day & she was so busy checking her mirror to see if the camera she had passed was going to flash she failed to spot the **** starting to pull out in front of her. last minuite realisation and hasty braking avoided the prang.

Think if that had been a child and she had hit it although I guess in her defence she could proove she wasnt speeding.

People are already spending too much worrying about their speed & not consentrating on their driving standards. OK speed is a factor in a lot of accidents but if people wetre concentrating on their driving many of the accidents would never happen

I agree about cameras being a big distraction, I am ok on the roads I use day to day as I know where they are and tend not to be to concerned about the speedo straying over the limit by a few mph. BUT when driving in unfamilliar territory I find myself constantly checking the speedo rather than the road especially when its dark as the cameras/vans are harder to see.

And the debate rages on.......

If these devices were in fact for road safety, i would be all for them. Clearly they are purely to make massive revenue for the government. As it says at the bottom of that news item, the cats eye cameras currently in use in Malasyia (sp) are for spotting untaxed, uninsured drivers. who as we all know, are far worse than someone doing 33mph in a 30. Sadly, not as lucrative to Tony and his cronies.

I would like to see more ANPR equipment in towns, motorways, in fact on all kinds of roads. The types of people who drive untaxed and uninsured vehicles are generally the sort who we don't want roaming our streets anyway.

As for if these new spy cameras go into use, I will be seriously considering selling up and going abroad. That will just be the straw to break the Shifty's back.

Taylors Fish and Chips GMBH, Nurburg?????????

Like I said ages ago, the government wants Joe Public of the road!

Shame they cant police bad drivers

How many people do you know who have been done for 33 or 34 in a 30' date=' I know a couple.

All its doing is giving a criminal record to people who thought they were law abiding & giving them a distaste for the Police.

If the Government really wanted to significantly reduce speeding there are more effective ways, unfortunately they wont generate the revenue, anyone ever seen how slow the sweedes drive, if your stopped you get a temporary 48 hour licence after which you are banned until such time as they get round to taking you to court, seems to work very well

I watched a lady the other day & she was so busy checking her mirror to see if the camera she had passed was going to flash she failed to spot the **** starting to pull out in front of her. last minuite realisation and hasty braking avoided the prang.

Think if that had been a child and she had hit it although I guess in her defence she could proove she wasnt speeding.

People are already spending too much worrying about their speed & not consentrating on their driving standards. OK speed is a factor in a lot of accidents but if people wetre concentrating on their driving many of the accidents would never happen[/quote']

I agree entirley what you are saying But I personally think that 35 in a 30 is a more serious offence than 80 in a 70 Never mind speeders... catch the wa**kers using mobile phones...1st offence

Mr C**tstrom says the new devices are needed to help control Britain's "lawless" roads and motorways

Whereas anyone with half a brain can see that the roads and motorways would be far from lawless if there were ANY ****ING TRAFFIC ****ING POLICE ****ING LEFT.

Apologies for the outburst. This really gets my goat.

Hi to All

The use of cameras of any kind for enforcement encourages drivers to travel in unregistered or incorrectly registered cars. Just look at how many uninsured / unlicenced drivers there are about in London where congestion charging is another camera enforcement issue. I broke down coming back from London last year and got in just too late to pay my congestion charge, got stiffed with a fine. No mercy, no mitigating circumstances. Owe Ken Livingstone a good savage kicking and they wont be able to find the bits if I get hold of him.

I will be giving serious consideration to emigration in the coming years.

Meanwhile, I would imagine an LCD "switchable" numberplate would be a good seller.

The moral of this story. Vote for someone else and for electoral reform. When the country is being ruled by a government that was only voted in by 21% of the electorate, these things will continue to happen.

Chris

SAdly while I agree with you Chris,

I see politics as a fancy form of cosmetic surgury...the face may change, but the weight of civil service takes a long time to change direction.

I don't vote for the top 2 cats, but I do vote, sadly many others don't.

Imagine a national strike, every driver of every vehicle didn't go out for a day, two days etc, I'd say that would have some impact. Would also show that driving is not the sole cause of death in the UK.

My local cash machine sits on a very open 40 and easy to creep up dual carriage way, meanwhile a mile down thee road where people have died in a 30 that is frequently abused, they are never ever seen, one day I will tap on that van window and ask why the cash machine is sited where it is...

...I'll possibly get a fine for perverting the course of income though.

I wonder actually, could you apply for citizenship of another european county, drive on that countrys license and work in the UK...I suspect one has to prove residence or other malarky of your new host country...I recall reading an article on Jenson Button, who bascially when asked about driving in the UK/speeding etc answered:

I have a monaco license, it's not a problem.

For the record, urban areas, should be a zero tolerance on sensible limits...show me the nsl and it's my risk...variable and rain speeds on m-ways are fine. 70 at 3am on an empty motorway is where I object, I don't object to camera enforcement in well signed 30's as it's 30 for a reason...unlike the large number of nsl roads rebranded as 50's for revenue.

I don't object to camera enforcement in well signed 30's as it's 30 for a reason...

Not necessarily - they've just knocked a short stretch of 40mph near me to a 30mph. Straight clear wide road, I'm not aware of it being an accident blackspot or anything...

Rob.

To add I am seriously looking at foreign property with a view to GETING THE DUCK OUT of the UK once my son has chosen his direction in life. Im totally fed up with the direct taxation let alone all the Scams to raise money other ways. Now our dear chancellor has given me the tax loophole of Including foreign property as part of pension provisions will full tax relief I can see the way out becoming clearer.

My M8 got pulled in france last week, clocked at 150, anyone guess what the fine was, Oh & it was 150 MPH

Eur 150 ??

jail ???

1500 euros?

Well it was 400 Euros

In France, if you are clocked 50km/h over the limit, regardless of what the limit is, it's an automatic loss of licence (for French driving licences).

How many times does this cats eyes thing crop up- must have been a slow news day.

The reason is so many speed limits are being cut are the number of irresponsible drivers out there who are sadly the majority now. In the 'olden' days we could have junctions on roads and trust motorists to say there is a junction better ease up and make sure nothing happens. Sadly that has to be forced now as the majority of drivers are 'sleep driving'. Speed limits also are published and you have the chance to complain if you don't like the idea of one. As I was saying it's the irresponsible that don't have the skill to drive - impatient and dangerous. I don't travel to !ngland very often but I visited travelled to Norwich this year and the behavior on the roads was shocking, and sadly was mostly speed and patiance related compaired to 10 years ago. People who cannot sit doing 58mph in a 60 for example. It is definatly on the up look at how many people gamble on lights now?

We have a good advert up here from Strathclyde police at the moment, with the foolspeed campaign, which has always bodyswerved the speed kills debate. It focuses on the being a man idea, and not getting forced to go faster by the guy behind. The latest one is the guy who has to push on, gets annoyed and stressed behind himself doing 30mph in the same car. He pushes past dangerously, and gets caught speeding later, and they guy behind arrives at the office ahead stress free. Thats a good campaign, and I support it. In the grand scheme of things does it really matter if it takes you 2 minutes more? Not really, and you arrive less stressed. Personally people are in a hurry for no reason! If you've seen that Road Rage programme on BBC you'll know what I mean!

Personally whether we like it or not the people that run the road say what speed we have to drive on them, and we all know that so cannot complain when we get caught. I too don't like the total mechanisation of it all and the punishment of minor offences 1-5mph over for example, but then Scotland is not as bad as England. Don't think I'm an angel who never speeds, I too do drive over the limit at times. However I do not drive way over the limits and always 'justify' my speed. For example my commute involves the 50 section of the M77, where I drive regularly at 60mph. I justify this as I understand the limit and my commute is off-peak on a motorway and I am still making an effort to keep the speed down. As with most things the actions of irresponsible drivers who cannot justify the speed or who justify it with the roads wide and the speed limit is too low doing over 20mph+ the limit, have resulted in what we have today.

We have a good advert up here from Strathclyde police at the moment, with the foolspeed campaign, which has always bodyswerved the speed kills debate. It focuses on the being a man idea, and not getting forced to go faster by the guy behind. The latest one is the guy who has to push on, gets annoyed and stressed behind himself doing 30mph in the same car. He pushes past dangerously, and gets caught speeding later, and they guy behind arrives at the office ahead stress free. Thats a good campaign, and I support it. In the grand scheme of things does it really matter if it takes you 2 minutes more? Not really, and you arrive less stressed. Personally people are in a hurry for no reason! If you've seen that Road Rage programme on BBC you'll know what I mean!

I think my employer needs to see this! As they're always pressuring people to get to places on time or early by any means possible...

...kinda strange when my employer is the council, and my line manager is in the Safety Camera Partnership then preaching about speed limits whilst putting scameras up every 20 yards!! (and no, I refuse to get involved in any of that at work!)