Surprised at performance 1.4 TSi

[Yeti_Man]

is the ea211 a complete new engine or just a modified version of the 1.4tsi

i realise that most problems where with the twincharger version, but alot of the failures showed how fragile this engine is.

the changes vag have made to this engine , may or may not fix things, i guess time will tell.

imo, it's a risky business buying a 1.4tsi, especially if you intend keeping the car out of warranty.

You are talking about two entirely different engines. The current 1.4 TSi has no major issues according to contacts at local dealerships.

[seve88]

You are talking about two entirely different engines. The current 1.4 TSi has no major issues according to contacts at local dealerships.

it's a complete new engine then ?

not a modified version of the previous 1.4tsi

[hobbie2k]

it's a complete new engine then ?

not a modified version of the previous 1.4tsi

Yes, as I understand it, the motor is an entirely new design sharing little besides the bore spacing.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/we-sample-the-ea211-volkswagen%E2%80%99s-next-global-four-cylinder-engine-series/

Edited 5 April, 2015 by hobbie2k

[seve88]

Yes, as I understand it, the motor is an entirely new design sharing little besides the bore spacing.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/we-sample-the-ea211-volkswagen%E2%80%99s-next-global-four-cylinder-engine-series/

thanks for the link, just had a read, all this act stuff intrigues me, it all seams rather complicated.

 back in the old days, if your engine was running on 2 cylinders, it was f00ked

now they call it progress 

 

remember vag don't exactly have a great track record with there tsi engines

 all tsi engines have, or have had  faults to some extent 

 

as I said before, time will tell,  I really  hope they have got it right this time  :clap:

[ednmra]

 

 

remember vag don't exactly have a great track record with there tsi engines

 all tsi engines have, or have had  faults to some extent 

 

as I said before, time will tell,  I really  hope they have got it right this time  :clap:

Had my 1.8 TSi from new for 6 years without the slightest hint of engine trouble or any other "mechanical" trouble.

The only faults worth reporting were the famous rear wiper motor replacement, and the door mirror glasses loosening up (which I fixed myself).

 

I was, and still am, very careful over prompt regular oil changes, I don't rev the engine unnecessarily (probably never reach 5000 revs ever), don't let it labour at low revs either,  and am a low mileage user, so maybe all that helped.

[Yeti_Man]

Had my 1.8 TSi from new for 6 years without the slightest hint of engine trouble or any other "mechanical" trouble.

The only faults worth reporting were the famous rear wiper motor replacement, and the door mirror glasses loosening up (which I fixed myself).

I was, and still am, very careful over prompt regular oil changes, I don't rev the engine unnecessarily (probably never reach 5000 revs ever), don't let it labour at low revs either, and am a low mileage user, so maybe all that helped.

and to the other extreme, running a bigger turbo and 106% additional power over factory figures - perfect reliability and now approaching 45,000 miles. Six monthly/5,000 mile servicing for mine though.

[themanwithnoaim]

as I said before, time will tell,  I really  hope they have got it right this time  :clap:

You'd better hope so Seve cause, the anti-filthy-oil-burning  diesel lobby are a coming and their gonna tax/emissions you right outta those TDI's

 

As the great poet Dylan said "The times they are a changing"

[ednmra]

You'd better hope so Seve cause, the anti-filthy-oil-burning  diesel lobby are a coming and their gonna tax/emissions you right outta those TDI's

 

As the great poet Dylan said "The times they are a changing"

Was that Bob D or D Thomas?

[fabdavrav]

Just to clarify ALL engines for the MQB platform have had to be designed to meet the MQB requirements, which is exhaust exit on bulkhead side, intake on front of engine, same mounting points & a 12deg tilt of the engine towards the bulkhead. As well as meeting current & future emissions regs, sharing more components, etc, etc.

 

The EA888 engines (1.8lt & 2lt petrol) came out about 7yrs ago, BUT for the MQB they are a new 3rd gen version.

 

The EA211 engines (1.2lt, 1.4lt petrol, 1.6lt & 2lt diesel) are all new for the MQB and not revised versions.

[themanwithnoaim]

Was that Bob D or D Thomas?

When you say Dylan, he thinks you're talking about Dylan Thomas, whoever he was, the man ain't got no culture....

[ednmra]

Ok, another little episode.

Just had to rush our NYC kid back to Gatwick a little later than expected. The 1.4 went like a rocket........erm....not that I broke any speed limits Officer Dibble, but I accelerated up to them pretty darn quick.

Edited 6 April, 2015 by ednmra

[Reichter]

Is the 1.8 EA888 considered old and outdated tech compared to the 1.4 EA211?

Still worth getting the EA888 1.8 over thr EA211 1.4?

[JPH0091]

I don't think the EA888 can be considered as outdated. It has started to be produced in 2008 and been evolving since. The current 1.8 and 2.0 (for the vRS) are the third generation of this engine. VAG is still investing on it; I think the coming 280hp engine of the new superb is an evolution of the 2.0 Ea888. As was mentioned previously, the EA211 has integrated the same technologies.

[Dempsek]

First of I never compared the 1.4 to the 1.8TSI ! TMWN what happened to your tuning box thread?

Just finished a 379 mile round trip with 4 in the car, down m6, & m40 to just outside London. The car performed faultlessly and returned 45.6 MPG at national speed limits. Using my old 1.6TDI the journey would have cost me £6.34 less in fuel.

Well happy.

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[themanwithnoaim]

First of I never compared the 1.4 to the 1.8TSI ! TMWN what happened to your tuning box thread?

 

Nope I've never had a 1,8TSI to drive either as for the tuning boxes, I've fitted two for members on here but, niether has been on the rollers to the best of my knowledge so, I've not really got any evidence, the 1.4 TSI was certainly far quicker than mine, the 2.0 TSI was "brilliantly improved" according to the owner, I was only a passenger in that and I've not been in a 2.0 TSI before so, can't really comment personally.

 

What I do know is the 1.4 TSI's tuning box is certainly easier to fit than the vRS unit mainly due to the PITA position of the Boost Pressure Sensor and I would recommend anyone fitting one to get use of a full car lift, it'll not only make the fitting easier but, visible too.

 

Sadly, the main point of a tuning box over a remap is the fact that you don't need to tell anyone about and hence, those members and few others that have them haven't come forward with their experiences, data and 0-62 times.

 

Sorry I can't provide anything more substantial for you hance, the lack of thread.

Edited 8 April, 2015 by themanwithnoaim

[ednmra]

Has anyone had a standard 1.4 TSi (140ps version) on a rolling road to see if the power quoted is correct, or a bit understated?  

They used to reckon the 1.8 TSi (listed at 160 I think) actually put out rather more in practice.

[philwoodphoto]

Got 50.3mpg on a 113 mile trip back from Preston today (49.6mpg there and back). Very impressed. Admittedly average speed was only 53mph, but still pretty good and never disappointing.

[Gromle]

Has anyone had a standard 1.4 TSi (140ps version) on a rolling road to see if the power quoted is correct, or a bit understated?

They used to reckon the 1.8 TSi (listed at 160 I think) actually put out rather more in practice.

People have claimed that both the 1.8 and 2.O Tsi put out 20-30 more hp than claimed, so Id reckon that goes for the 1.4 as well. Though Ive never seen any numbers on it.

One Norwegian 1.8tsi 4x4(180bhp from factory) owner claimed his was benched at 201bhp without any mods.

Edited 8 April, 2015 by Gromle

[JPH0091]

I've seen the same (that it could put out 20 more hp) claimed for the former 1.4 TSI 122.

Having it on SWMBO Golf 6, I'm ready to beleive it as the car behaves well like 140hp cars I've driven before.

[ednmra]

I've seen the same (that it could put out 20 more hp) claimed for the former 1.4 TSI 122.

Having it on SWMBO Golf 6, I'm ready to beleive it as the car behaves well like 140hp cars I've driven before.

That's right. I used to reckon my (supposedly 160 ps) 1.8 TSi felt more like my first Octavia, a Mk. 1 vRS, which was listed as 180.

 

But then again, I wonder now what that Mk. 1  vRS really put out?  

Well, it's academic I guess, so long as they feel better than expected!!

[Yeti_Man]

My gen 2 1.8tsi engine in the Yeti gave out bang on figures as standard with 4,500 miles on the clock as did my 2 litre tfsi in the mk2 Octy VRS estate. This was on dyno dynamics rollers - very accurate from what I've seen through years of lurking around tuning companies and tweaking cars. The VRS got 281bhp on dyno dynamic rollers and 296bhp on someone else's - same month of the year with a two degree difference in ambient temperature. So my point is... I wonder how accurate these dyno claims actually are.

[ednmra]

My gen 2 1.8tsi engine in the Yeti gave out bang on figures as standard with 4,500 miles on the clock as did my 2 litre tfsi in the mk2 Octy VRS estate. This was on dyno dynamics rollers - very accurate from what I've seen through years of lurking around tuning companies and tweaking cars. The VRS got 281bhp on dyno dynamic rollers and 296bhp on someone else's - same month of the year with a two degree difference in ambient temperature. So my point is... I wonder how accurate these dyno claims actually are.

True - maybe they are set up to make the car owner feel good !!!  My only experience of them was back in 1971 when I had an Escort RS fitted with a 3 litre Capri GT engine (by Superspeed)

They told me "Gosh, you're getting 92 bhp at the back wheels!"  92 out of 3 litres! 

[Andy P]

I'm still seriously contemplating having mine sharked in a years time, out of warranty. Although I see they don't state that they do the skoda 1.4, 140 But they do the seat engine and can get 179bhp out of it.

[FlyingGecko]

True - maybe they are set up to make the car owner feel good !!!  My only experience of them was back in 1971 when I had an Escort RS fitted with a 3 litre Capri GT engine (by Superspeed)

They told me "Gosh, you're getting 92 bhp at the back wheels!"  92 out of 3 litres! 

I bet the Escort weighed about half what an Octavia weighs, even with a big iron block under the bonnet. Makes a difference to the power/weight ratio!

[ednmra]

I bet the Escort weighed about half what an Octavia weighs, even with a big iron block under the bonnet. Makes a difference to the power/weight ratio!

Yes, not a big car, the Mk. 1. Very lorry-like engine but loads of torque, out accelerated an E type Jag up to about 60, but top speed only maybe 115 or so (like, who cares!)