Funny how a 150 TDI Golf is faster than a 150 petrol Golf (according to several roadtests, anyway)... so how exactly does that make petrol cars faster? At least compare like with like...

FWIW Blackmagic and I successfuly held off a clio 182 Cup(Lightweight) and in fact gained a 'bit' on it at knockhill last weekend' date=' on the streets i would say there is practically nothing in it.

Now thats with a fabias with circa 190-200hp. IMHO i think in standard form the clio would eat a fabia.[/quote']

I can concur the same happened with myself at Angelsey this weekend.

Funny how a 150 TDI Golf is faster than a 150 petrol Golf (according to several roadtests, anyway)... so how exactly does that make petrol cars faster? At least compare like with like...

the PD150 golf gti as a 6 speed gearbox where the 1.8T has a 5 speed gearbox.

i still maintain that no fabia has ever been faster than my 4x4, admitidly i hvaen't come up against a fabia with either a fmic or a hybrid turbo.

see what a 50lbft advantage, 300Kg less and a 6 speed gearbox gets you :P

I'm gonna have to say this because you lot really pee me off at times. In the real world where I live, I dont drive to work and back, I don't always obey the speed limits, and when provoked or bored, I will race drivers of other vehicles, where I deem it fit to do so.

Don't automatically assume that a clio 182 will paste a fabia vrs, because that isn't always the case. My car is no more special than anyone elses on here. It's nowhere near standard granted, but no clio 182 has ever taken me from the traffic lights, on the motorway, or as yet on a track. And I have played with several in 16,000 miles of vrs ownership. Like I said, I don't drive to work and back, all 16k were for my pleasure alone. So dont say none of them were trying.

In standard trim, mid range playfullness always resulted with me being in front of said clio's, and it wasnt through doing something risky/stupid, it was just driving the car to it's full potential.

All in all, what most of you are saying are based on "facts" gained from motoring magazines, top gear, and your opinion.

As for whether petrol is better than diesel? Who gives a toss???

All things considered, i would personally go for a modern diesel anyday. What does a typical 182 clio pay for insurance? what do they get to the gallon? who do they suprise when they go screaming past you? can a clio 182 start at the bottom of windy hill on the m62 in 6th gear at 70 mph, pull it up to 135mph and keep it there right to the top?

As for fabia vrs octy? stop being pathetic. Two totally different cars, not in the same class as one another, aimed at different market sectors.

I'm gonna have to say this because you lot really pee me off at times. In the real world where I live' date=' I dont drive to work and back, I don't always obey the speed limits, and when provoked or bored, I will race drivers of other vehicles, where I deem it fit to do so.

Don't automatically assume that a clio 182 will paste a fabia vrs, because that isn't always the case. My car is no more special than anyone elses on here. It's nowhere near standard granted, but no clio 182 has ever taken me from the traffic lights, on the motorway, or as yet on a track. And I have played with several in 16,000 miles of vrs ownership. Like I said, I don't drive to work and back, all 16k were for my pleasure alone. So dont say none of them were trying.

In standard trim, mid range playfullness always resulted with me being in front of said clio's, and it wasnt through doing something risky/stupid, it was just driving the car to it's full potential.

All in all, what most of you are saying are based on "facts" gained from motoring magazines, top gear, and your opinion.

As for whether petrol is better than diesel? Who gives a toss???

All things considered, i would personally go for a modern diesel anyday. What does a typical 182 clio pay for insurance? what do they get to the gallon? who do they suprise when they go screaming past you? can a clio 182 start at the bottom of windy hill on the m62 in 6th gear at 70 mph, pull it up to 135mph and keep it there right to the top?

As for fabia vrs octy? stop being pathetic. Two totally different cars, not in the same class as one another, aimed at different market sectors.[/quote']

well said mate!

its all well and good fabia drivers moaning about the octavia and the fabia being compared when hey shouldn't but you started it so ner ner ner ner ner :P

I agree with Shifty on this one, without starting a big debate on which is fastest.

In the last 3 years i have owned a CTR/WRX(MODDED)/182/CTR and now VRS.

I know my cars pretty well and i know what they are capable of in terms of real world performance, and believe me between the 182 and VRS from a rolling start to 80-90mph there aint much in it to write home about.

Yes from a standing start the 182 will have the legs easily, and above the ton yes again it will excell, but as i said, rolling start not much at all.

Also what i have found from the VRS is that it has a habit of catching a few cars in the above mentioned of there guard, which believe me can make a huge difference over a short distance, but short enough to make a difference though when needed

Paul

its all well and good fabia drivers moaning about the octavia and the fabia being compared when hey shouldn't but you started it so ner ner ner ner ner :P

I know what you are saying, but I have always maintained that you can't compare two cars like the fabia and the octy. The seat ibiza and the leon? same again. why bother anyway?

I know it's a bloke/ego thing, but if you (not you Bengie) insist on comparing cars, then at least play a fair game.

For example, any comparisons made with your car should be along the lines of 225bhp impeza's and the like.

I would, if I was terribly lost for something better to do, compare my own car with Civic type r's, clio 1*2's, stilo abarth etc.

(Bear in mind I do run round alot with cut slicks and no back seats/spare/carpets.)

right...................

fabia vs clio 172/182

i've driven both and IMHO the clio would use the (standard) fabia as a dish mop in straight line and round the twisties. better car? depends what you want from your car, i didnt like the driving position of the clio but when you scream it into the vvt zone you soon forget all that.....

the fabia is a nice drive, no doubt (and thats coming form an octy vrs owner) but what would i rather use on a track? the clio, any day of the week. daily driver? the fabia. nicer place to be inside and more usable real world power.

petrol vs diesel?

petrol makes a nicer noise, is smoother and is far more fun to spin up to the redline.

diesel has that fantastic mid range thump has far better mpg but they're no fun to spin to the redline and they smell. plus they make a horrible noise.

its only my opinion and as the old saying goes you pays ya money ya takes ya choice.

i chose petrol.

mark

i agree with you dave totally

all this comparison malarky is a waste of time anyway really as if you likes you likes then its all good

i like the mid range punch of a diesel but the way my car has been mappedi get full torque at 3.5k anyway so thats sorted and it keps it fir a while too.

but when having fun i don't personaly find a diesel as fun to drive as a petrol but they do make excelent every day cars that can move well when they want to.

what about a fabia RS vs a clio v6?

ps divx needed:D

sorry just let me clear one thing up, i said my furby was standard now i removed my tunning box, it has got the cupra air intake and both pikey mods. sorry forgot to mention these. wont really make that much difference but just thought id say now i have caused a major debate! lol.

what about a fabia RS vs a clio v6?

ps divx needed:D

cant get that vid to work? it just doesnt come on??

As I said before, the Clio is quicker.... but, there are a couple of points here that people convienenltly ignore, time and time again.

First, the Fabia is no good from a standing start. Reason being, gearing is too short.

Second, top end of the Fabia isn't that great, admittedly, but then it only has 130 bhp.

However, in the majority of on the road scenario's, the Fabia is going to give it a run for its money, its all about midrange, and the Fabia has a get up and go that even eclipses the Clio, which means at normal road speeds, it has a fight on its hands. Yes, the Clio will eventually beat the Fabia, but its going to have to try hard, and its going to be venturing into ban territory to do it. I know this from experience...

And I drive a petrol now, so have no reason to be biased.

I have to say, there is a lot of cack talked on these forums (not just briskoda, but pretty much all car forums) at times. In the real world, a second here or there is not a massive difference, and any advantage can be squandered if the driver is not too good. Between say 20 and 70 mph, the Fabia is not going to lose much, if any ground to a Clio, even in standard form. Above that, yes the Clio will start to pull away, but WTF do you expect, 180 bhp v's 130 bhp?

And in the end, what does it matter anyway? Its all ego driven BS to me. I drive a car with 70 bhp less than a Clio or Octy vRS, but I bet I have just as much, or in the case of the Octy, quite probably a lot more fun than you do, despite my lack of pace, so there :P

Did you notice how many bits fell off the Clio when it went round the roundabout?

Out of order !! :thumbdwn: My wife has a Clio. No bits have fallen off. Its a well made car, better than the new Megane !!!

cant get that vid to work? it just doesnt come on??

i had to click "original size" for it to work

Out of order !! :thumbdwn: My wife has a Clio. No bits have fallen off. Its a well made car, better than the new Megane !!!

Ummm. No, your wrong. The Megane is a pleasant car to drive and the Clio is ok but like driving a tin of beans in comparison. I left my 1 yr old Megane in for some bodywork lately and they loaned me a 6 month old Clio for 3 days. It was absolutely dreadful in comparison. It might be better than a Corsa or Fiesta for example but it sure ain't even in the same ball park as a Megane. No way.

I'm usually no fan of Renault's as i'm sure you have surmised but I am mightily impressed with the current Megane. We've had 3 1.5 Dci's and not a single rattle or fault in any of one of them. If my company wasn't paying for my new car i'd have another one too.

I bet I have just as much, or in the case of the Octy, quite probably a lot more fun than you do, despite my lack of pace, so there :P

there's always another dig isn't there?

and the fabia drivers tell us octavia drivers to grow up and remove said chip from the shoulder.

there's always another dig isn't there?

and the fabia drivers tell us octavia drivers to grow up and remove said chip from the shoulder.

He's a golf, not a fabia driver(Anymore) :P

He's a golf, not a fabia driver(Anymore) :P

I think he knows that.

there's always another dig isn't there?

and the fabia drivers tell us octavia drivers to grow up and remove said chip from the shoulder.

I like both the Fabia and Octavia for different reasons.

However' date=' its pretty obvious to me that the p*ss taking on this forum is often pretty one sided, and as far as i can tell, its not usually from Fabia owners

Are you surprised then when people have digs back?

I've no reason really to prefer one over the other - when i got the Fabia, it was because I could not afford the Octavia, but that does not mean the Fabia is a slow car, nor is it a poor relation. Its disappointing that many people on here seem to think thats the case.

I speak from experience when I say, that while the Fabia is not up there as standard with the fastest hatches, at real world speeds, it does give them a run for their money. Why is that so hard to accept for some people?

All mikejay said that between a set of traffic lights and a roundabout, that were 500 meters apart, the Clio did not gain a huge lead. And why would it? As I've said he'd be needing a lot of road to pull a significant lead.

And you replied:-

it either wasn't a 172/182 or wasn't trying/crap driver

they would kill a standard fabia vRS in a straight line.

That seemed like a dig to me... now if there'd been a mile of road, then i think the comment might have been justified, but clearly the circumstances were not taken into account, and immediately, the Fabia gets put down and the owner gets the p*ss ripped...

:P

and will people stop going on about the ****ing VVT zone there isnt one !!!!!!! vvt operates at about 1800 rpm and adjusts the timing on the inlet cam only its a very crappy vvt implementation. the "ZONE" you talk about is just the engine coming on cam

They must think its got a VTEC buried under the bonnet

i dont hate the thing or do i actually put it down what i do do however is try and take an honest approach to cars.

a virtually track prepped stripped light weight high revving perol car with 180bhp Vs a warm diesel hatch.

and what you consider digs from other members is no different to the classic scoob quote of have em in the twisties, when the fabia vRS came out it wasn't instantly put down but mre the other way round of the fabia drivers claiming to be in the worlds fastest car and putting the octavia down.