17 minutes ago, Gyp said:

Rode it.

 

Which pleased me.

 

As 3 scrotes armed with huge bolt croppers broke into my garage in the early hours of this morning and were determined to separate me from my 2-wheeled transport.

 

Luckily their entry into the garage was heard by my vicious attack wife.

 

Feck :(. Sneaky horribly scumbags. 

 

Good job you chained them down by the sounds of it?

Gyp, you've been lucky. You can't always be there and they will try again. If you don't have big chain that can't be cropped then invest in an Almax or Pragmasis with a ground anchor. 

An alarm on your garage would hopefully scare them off but probably less scary than your wife woken from her sleep. 

Best I get the missus to sleep in the garage from now on.

 

Alternatively it looks like I'm going to replace the now slightly damaged door with a "Secured By Design" door and add a ground anchor, Almax and alarm.

 

I suspect that last night they were after my pushbikes (which are secured pretty well) but now they know what's in the garage it's time to turn it into Fort Knox

 

More expense :-(

Just now, Gyp said:

Best I get the missus to sleep in the garage from now on.

 

Alternatively it looks like I'm going to replace the now slightly damaged door with a "Secured By Design" door and add a ground anchor, Almax and alarm.

 

I suspect that last night they were after my pushbikes (which are secured pretty well) but now they know what's in the garage it's time to turn it into Fort Knox

 

More expense :-(

 

Worth it though if it saves you an insurance claim n a load of hassle bud. 

 

I take it you've reported it? Or did you decide its not worth it cos little seems to happen when you do?

There is device that is basically a trip wire to a blank shotgun cartridge that goes off if not disarmed before opening the door. Might be more effective than locking your wife in the garage, they tend to whine after a while. 

Locate your ground anchor up against a wall so they can't get to it. It's awkward to lock the bike up but more so for them to take it. 

PIR floodlights within the garage make it uncomfortable for theifs to work in knowing they can be seen.  

Just now, CWARD said:

There is device that is basically a trip wire to a blank shotgun cartridge that goes off if not disarmed before opening the door. Might be more effective than locking your wife in the garage, they tend to whine after a while. 

Locate your ground anchor up against a wall so they can't get to it. It's awkward to lock the bike up but more so for them to take it. 

PIR floodlights within the garage make it uncomfortable for theifs to work in knowing they can be seen.  

 

Swap out those blanks for proper ones n they wont return either... 

 

 

3 minutes ago, fabiamk2SE said:

 

Worth it though if it saves you an insurance claim n a load of hassle bud. 

 

I take it you've reported it? Or did you decide its not worth it cos little seems to happen when you do?

 

Called 999 as they scarpered, police dogs on scene within 7 mins or so (scent went dead just round corner so suggests vehicle ready and waiting), 2 further coppers 7 mins later, SOCA 10AM this morning. Police have been excellent, though not actually caught them.

9 minutes ago, CWARD said:

There is device that is basically a trip wire to a blank shotgun cartridge that goes off if not disarmed before opening the door. Might be more effective than locking your wife in the garage, they tend to whine after a while. 

Locate your ground anchor up against a wall so they can't get to it. It's awkward to lock the bike up but more so for them to take it. 

PIR floodlights within the garage make it uncomfortable for theifs to work in knowing they can be seen.  

 

You just know I'd forget to disarm the cartridge

Edited 21 March, 20179 yr by Gyp

2 minutes ago, Gyp said:

 

Called 999 as they scarpered, police dogs on scene within 7 mins or so (scent went dead just round corner so suggests vehicle ready and waiting), 2 further coppers 7 mins later, SOCA 10AM this morning. Police have been excellent, though not actually caught them.

 

Sounds spot on that tbf! 

 

Gives you a little faith after hearing all the stories of them arriving three weeks on tuesday

1 hour ago, fabiamk2SE said:

 

Swap out those blanks for proper ones n they wont return either... 

 

 

Trips out to the local woods with a shovel to hide the bodies always look a bit suspicious. 

With all the talk of bike thefts and near losses would anybody be interested in a group buy from Almax or Pragmasis?

52 minutes ago, CWARD said:

With all the talk of bike thefts and near losses would anybody be interested in a group buy from Almax or Pragmasis?

 

i would be interested in a decent portable chain and lock if thats any use to the buy... not currently lookin for a full on chain and ground anchor.

 

I'm not sure what Pragmasis offer though so i'll have a look  

released my rear shocks are completely stuffed, so ordered a new pair.

20 hours ago, CWARD said:

With all the talk of bike thefts and near losses would anybody be interested in a group buy from Almax or Pragmasis?

Possibly, but I'm first looking to fund an £850 garage door

34 minutes ago, Gyp said:

Possibly, but I'm first looking to fund an £850 garage door

 

 

Yeah, id say they're quite useful too.  . 

 

If they were just a pair of scrotes after push bikes.. the motorbikes might be out of zone. Too difficult to shift for their next shot of smack. 

13 hours ago, Gyp said:

Possibly, but I'm first looking to fund an £850 garage door

 

I just leave on of the cars in front of the door.  My mate across the road just had his M3 nicked and vehicle thieves prefer to break in and steal the vehicle from the inside, even if you are in the house, quite scary.  Big dog is about the best defensive/offensive feature, must upgrade the cavalier king charles.    

 

If we can get enough interested in chains I will contact Almax and Pragmasis but we will need more than 3 people. Fab's the 16mm, 19mm and 22mm are the only chains that uncroppable but they aren't portable items due to the size and weight of them. Pragmasis 11mm and 13mm chains are still heavy but portable, whilst tough a determined thief will get through it with big enough bolt croppers but they would be doing this in the open.  

 

It is scary how quickly some well know chains can be cropped.

 

http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/t-wallofshame.aspx

 

Also look at the pinch bolts as a method of securing with a chain

 

http://securityforbikes.com/index.php

I'd be interested in an Almax, I was at the NEC a few years ago where Zanx (aka Captain Cropper) was cropping Oxford Chains in seconds, next to the Oxford Stand

 

I'd be interested in a fairly lengthy chain, as I've only got one ground anchor in the garage, but 3 bikes in there and they are currently daisy chained together, be nice to do say a 2 - 2.5M Almax and go through the K16, through the R Nine T Final Drive and the XR600's wheel.

Fluff, You might be better looking at Pragmasis who do a noose ended chain so that you loop the chain around the frame then extend it trough the other bikes and then maybe use a pinch bolt or pass the chain end through a link to lock off with the padlock. You could also do the chain end through a link and lock of with the padlock on both ends with an Almax as it cuts down the length of chain and cost but a noose end is more versatile and cheaper than a lock.

 

Plenty of YouTube videos showing what you think to be impressively secure chains being cropped in less than a minute in near silence which is quite scary. Others show mains powered angle grinders attacks on the Pragmasis taking over 2 mins and lots of noise.

 

Just noticed you have the BMW  with hollow final drive which you could use a pinch bolt on with the chain on the inside making it difficult to attack. I wouldn't use a rear wheel to secure the XR though as can easily be removed and light enough to carry away, always to use the frame.

Edited 23 March, 20179 yr by CWARD

I'm not that wet behind the ears The Chain goes through the XR rear wheel, back through the frame and onto the R nine T which has a pinch pin and a Squire chain, which goes onto an Almax through the K1600, but 3 keys is a pain in the arse

 

My garage is like an S&M Mistresses darkest dream

 

I also keep the bikes under old Duvet's so if nipping in the garage to grab something, the bikes are not directly visible, problem is I take them out to clean them and I'm sure there have been scrotes riding around at times that will have clocked them.

Edited 23 March, 20179 yr by fluffmeister

 Plenty of people are and wonder why they have wheel with no bike attached to it.

 

Would it be worth getting a longer Almax chain so you do all the bikes in one go and selling your existing one. If you still need more than one lock then you can get them keyed alike. Not sure if you have this done on existing locks without returning them to the manufacturer.

 

I'd like to use a pinch bolt on my bike but there is nowhere suitable other than through the swingarm but again I know I can remove this pretty quickly and even less time if didn't care about protecting the bike.

9 hours ago, CWARD said:

If we can get enough interested in chains I will contact Almax and Pragmasis but we will need more than 3 people. Fab's the 16mm, 19mm and 22mm are the only chains that uncroppable but they aren't portable items due to the size and weight of them. Pragmasis 11mm and 13mm chains are still heavy but portable, whilst tough a determined thief will get through it with big enough bolt croppers but they would be doing this in the open.  

 

It is scary how quickly some well know chains can be cropped.

 

http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/t-wallofshame.aspx

 

Also look at the pinch bolts as a method of securing with a chain

 

http://securityforbikes.com/index.php

 

 I'm aware that anything small enough to be portable is a compromise on security compared to the big ones.. but then i dont think i'd have much choice tbh. I mean... unless im lugging around a massive heavy chain in the panniers all the time. Just something to make it abit more difficult should hopefully make them move onto the next bike. 

 

Interesting about the wall of shame... i was looking at the Abus stuff but obviously it isnt as good as they reckon haha. 

The big chains are really heavy so take up most of the weight load capacity of a pannier whilst barely filling it at the same time that kind of weight bias on a bike wouldn't be much fun. I think the weights are around 4.5kg a meter not including the lock, so for a 2mtr chain and lock it's a good 20lb plus in old money

33 minutes ago, CWARD said:

The big chains are really heavy so take up most of the weight load capacity of a pannier whilst barely filling it at the same time that kind of weight bias on a bike wouldn't be much fun. I think the weights are around 4.5kg a meter not including the lock, so for a 2mtr chain and lock it's a good 20lb plus in old money

 

Yeah thats the problem isnt it. 

 

The max load for the Givi's is still only 10kg per case.. like the rest of their range apart from the small stuff. 

 

I'll think of something.. im in no massive rush tbh. 

In other news... the Sargent seat arrived for the Tracer. So i've fitted that :). 

 

Anybody else done much to theirs between daily stuff chores?