Labour party election

[KenONeill]

Its been a hostile take over of the labour party by the unions and students. Qudos to them i recon if they have been able to subvert the system and take power.  Trouble is they can't do anything now because the party is simply a protest group with no real clue on how to run the country.

I don't see why you think that? Political parties do (or at least should) exist to represent the politically active man in the street, rather than their MPs and "think" tanks.

[Scribbler]

I don't see why you think that? Political parties do (or at least should) exist to represent the politically active man in the street, rather than their MPs and "think" tanks.

 

I agree completely and is what has happened. The career politicians have been pushed aside in one slick move although this has been on the cards for some time.

So you don't think its been a hostile take over? irrespective of if the Labour party was previously non representative of the man in the street.

[KenONeill]

I agree completely and is what has happened. The career politicians have been pushed aside in one slick move although this has been on the cards for some time.

So you don't think its been a hostile take over? irrespective of if the Labour party was previously non representative of the man in the street.

No I don't, although I can see why "career politicians" who opted to be Labour party members might feel it to be hostile (since it may be bad for their careers in the short to medium term).

having said that, what I heard of Corbyn's speech yesterday I found optimistic (Ignore commentary about his platform being like "Cain" Miliband's; part of Cain's problem was being Cain).

[lol-lol]

Its been a hostile take over of the labour party by the unions and students. Qudos to them i recon if they have been able to subvert the system and take power.  Trouble is they can't do anything now because the party is simply a protest group with no real clue on how to run the country.

 

Where to start answering your ludicrous statements one problem.

 

Not hostile, I voted for Andy Burnham in the fist leadership election and me and hundreds of thousands of members listened to Corbyn and McDonnell and can see they, and those MPs behind them and those that will come in line are offering the only viable alternative to the highly destructive economic policy of the Cons which has resulted in a huge run up of the national debt and running down on infrastructure over the last six and a half years.

 

McDonnell ran the London economy very well for many years and it is hard to imagine even a fool doing worse for the British economy than the present ship of fools are doing by causing shrinking GDP, driving away investment from BMW-Mini, JLR, Nissan-Renault and the Japanese car makers who state they will not be investing more in the UK unless a FTA is signed with the EU.

 

The supporters coming rallying to the Labour party are health professionals, education workers, civil servants, women, who make up the majority of the electorate just to correct you man in the street should be a person and men are in the minority, disabled you so nearly got short changed by the Cons, the list goes on an on.

 

I know we will never convince you and your ilk but much as I understand the self serving interest of the Cons, and logically I should be voting that direction if was voting for continued tax relief on higher earners and creating a country outside the EU where workers conditions can be marginalised and bosses freer to create a Donald Trump style economy, God help us, out of the greenhouse and in to tundra.       

[Ootohere]

Come on now show where John McDonnell ran the London Economy well for several years.

Please not just a wikipedia link to John MCDonnell  being Chair of Finance responsible for a 3 Billion pound budget.

 

http://20thcenturylondon.org.uk/timeline/1980-1989

Show where 'he ran the London Economy well', according to what figures and who's opinion other than yours.

 

.............

Loony Lefties.

http://htspweb.co.uk/garbagegate/loony.htm

Edited 29 September, 2016 by Offski

[gadgetman]

The supporters coming rallying to the Labour party are health professionals, education workers, civil servants , women, who make up the majority of the electorate just to correct you man in the street should be a person and men are in the minority, disabled you so nearly got short changed by the Cons, the list goes on an on.

All unionised sectors where the gravy train is heading for the buffers as unsustainable for wages & pensions.

They've been cushioned from the financial reality since 2008 which the private sector has had to go through.

Sorry but people who have been squeezed for years are running out of patience for strikes and wage/pension demands whilst they struggle or face redundancy.

It's why as soon as the junior doctor strikes moved from just being about patient safety to being about contract terms, wages & pensions they lost public support having yet more hospital appointments and surgeries cancelled.

Same also applies to the rail and communications workers unions. The public just don't support you and have had enough of being inconvenienced.

[Scribbler]

All unionised sectors where the gravy train is heading for the buffers as unsustainable for wages & pensions.

They've been cushioned from the financial reality since 2008 which the private sector has had to go through.

Sorry but people who have been squeezed for years are running out of patience for strikes and wage/pension demands whilst they struggle or face redundancy.

It's why as soon as the junior doctor strikes moved from just being about patient safety to being about contract terms, wages & pensions they lost public support having yet more hospital appointments and surgeries cancelled.

Same also applies to the rail and communications workers unions. The public just don't support you and have had enough of being inconvenienced.

 

What he said  :clap:

[Scribbler]

Where to start answering your ludicrous statements one problem.

 

Not hostile, I voted for Andy Burnham in the fist leadership election and me and hundreds of thousands of members listened to Corbyn and McDonnell and can see they, and those MPs behind them and those that will come in line are offering the only viable alternative to the highly destructive economic policy of the Cons which has resulted in a huge run up of the national debt and running down on infrastructure over the last six and a half years.

 

McDonnell ran the London economy very well for many years and it is hard to imagine even a fool doing worse for the British economy than the present ship of fools are doing by causing shrinking GDP, driving away investment from BMW-Mini, JLR, Nissan-Renault and the Japanese car makers who state they will not be investing more in the UK unless a FTA is signed with the EU.

 

The supporters coming rallying to the Labour party are health professionals, education workers, civil servants, women, who make up the majority of the electorate just to correct you man in the street should be a person and men are in the minority, disabled you so nearly got short changed by the Cons, the list goes on an on.

 

I know we will never convince you and your ilk but much as I understand the self serving interest of the Cons, and logically I should be voting that direction if was voting for continued tax relief on higher earners and creating a country outside the EU where workers conditions can be marginalised and bosses freer to create a Donald Trump style economy, God help us, out of the greenhouse and in to tundra.       

 

With your glowing endorsement anyone might think Labour supporters are the majority and will do well at the ballot box. Sadly your as deluded as the Labour Leadership and have started to believe their Utopian rhetoric. 

Edited 29 September, 2016 by Scribbler

[Yoss]

Same also applies to the communications workers unions.

What have I done? I'm CWU, we haven't had a strike for years and now work for a private company.

Edited 29 September, 2016 by Yoss

[gadgetman]

What have I done? I'm CWU, we haven't had a strike for years and now work for a private company.

Royal mail workers have apparently recently been balloted on strikes

Back in 2007 the strikes added about 2 weeks to a house sale exchange and meant that a planned special 30th birthday holiday was missed with about £1k being thrown down the drain.

There's a thread about the strike somewhere on here.

Suffice to say I have next to no time for unions, especially the cwu, and use Royal Mail as little as possible since (despite family & good neighbours working for them)

[Yoss]

Nope, no ballots here. Maybe it's Post Office. Post Office and Royal Mail are separate now.

2007 was nearly a decade ago, don't think you can use that as an argument now. Far more delays caused by lack of staff due to management cutting to the bone than strikes these days.

[skomaz]

IS this what you were referring to Gadgetman??

 

http://www.cwu.org/media/news/2016/september/16/cwu-takes-pol-day-of-action/

[gadgetman]

Nope, no ballots here. Maybe it's Post Office. Post Office and Royal Mail are separate now.

2007 was nearly a decade ago, don't think you can use that as an argument now. Far more delays caused by lack of staff due to management cutting to the bone than strikes these days.

Apologies yes it was Post office staff this time.

Might be 9 years ago, but given CWU screwed my "once in a lifetime" holiday for my 30th sorry but I'll never forgive them. As I say I us RM as little as possible these days and then it's only for mail which (at the moment) there's no other choice.

[Yoss]

Ok, I can't really argue with that. I would say I've been there 26 years and never had more than a 48 hour strike in one hit and our office seems to get back to normal fairly quickly afterwards. Certainly not a two week backlog. But I can't speak for other offices.

I can also say strikes are never taken lightly as it costs us too (though helps in the long run). They only happen after many talks have broken down and always seem to end with a compromise on both sides and you wonder why they couldn't have come to that agreement beforehand.

Personally I think we got a good deal to accept privatisation and things seem to get resolved at the mere hint of a strike ballot these days. I think the management are worried about what it will do to there share price. Never used to have to worry about that of course.

[moley]

Where to start answering your ludicrous statements one problem.

Not hostile, I voted for Andy Burnham in the fist leadership election and me and hundreds of thousands of members listened to Corbyn and McDonnell and can see they, and those MPs behind them and those that will come in line are offering the only viable alternative to the highly destructive economic policy of the Cons which has resulted in a huge run up of the national debt and running down on infrastructure over the last six and a half years.

We're now starting to get a glimmer of Labour policy.

More public spending

More power to the unions

Higher taxation

Less defence spending

Unlimited immigration

I have yet to meet anyone that has considered voting labour next time out and this includes people who have always voted labour.

And bear in mind there were an awful lot of labour voters that voted leave.

[Scribbler]

Liberal Labour and those of that ilk don't seam to realize if you put all the unskilled people and menial jobs on 10 pound an hour that it makes diddly squat difference to the average persons standard of living. yes it narrows the pay gap but by dragging middle income skilled jobs and professionals backwards towards the poor. All the shops whack a 10% increase on all goods the day the rise is announced so the poor's buying power stays the same but the medium wage earners effective disposable income goes down. (clue to why nearly all middle income families vote conservative) But hey it looks good on paper and wins votes. It also puts the country on its knees, but lets sweep that under the rug because the fat cats at the top make millions in increased prices in the shops. Thankfully most people aren't stupid enough to fall for the minimum wage slight of hand.

[lol-lol]

We're now starting to get a glimmer of Labour policy.

More public spending

More power to the unions

Higher taxation

Less defence spending

Unlimited immigration

 

I have yet to meet anyone that has considered voting labour next time out and this includes people who have always voted labour.   And bear in mind there were an awful lot of labour voters that voted leave.

 

I think some of what you are mentioning above is what Labour and most the parties in the centre and on the left want to see.

• More public spending, absolutely as we have under spent on education, health and infrastructure and it is costing Britain dearly in doing so (Uk Productive is above 30% lower than France and Germany for instance)
• Theresa May says she wants workers councils to be more involved in business as this is a successful receipt in many, if not most, western economies.
• Higher taxes yes.  For those who are evading taxes and a fairer burden.  It is too easy to avoid paying some taxes hence the increasing inequality where people over forty have become and are getting richer quicker than  <40s. I should pay more tax but the system gives higher rate tax relief on pension contributions meaning a lower percentage of income is taxed than a standard rate tax payer.
• The Cons have hugely cut defence spending as with nearly all departments except overseas aid.  Wasting £100B on Trident which is used means the atmosphere being poisoned for everyone, I expect Labour would spend more on conventional and tactical arms which is more surgical strike rather than MAD.
• It is hard to imagine any government doing worse on immigration than the Cons have with over 300,000 immigrants per year for the last few years.  They may be in the process of solving that by their actions devaluing the currency less people will want to work in the UK, car companies are saying they will not invest here without an FTA or financial assistance and banks may not full access to the current EU transactions the currently do.

 

I do not know how much of Surrey is included in London but we did get a Labour London major voted in by a big majority so although there may not be many Labour voters past or even present in Surrey but perhaps as certain jobs ie banking, stock broking etc, if the Cons cannot negotiate banking passports to the 600M in the EU will need to move out of Surrey and go to Frankfurt, Paris or wherever and some Surrey residents might change their minds of the wisdom of the Cons.  

 

      

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Edited 30 September, 2016 by lol-lol

[Ootohere]

Well lets see who trusts in Labour to make their lives better as Project fear big stylee BREXIT crap yourselfs gets ramped up today with Car Manufacturers being all, we are offski, maybe, probably, well maybe not, we need to sell cars in the UK,

& then the Bankers in the UK are starting to have kittens over Deutsche Bank and fines & the affect on them.

 

The Conservatives and Unionists might just have to take a period in opposition because it looks like they are in the sharn.

Jeremy and the other from the cast of 'you have been framed' might end up trying to run the country.

[gadgetman]

The car makers have been singing the same hymns ref investment/leaving since the Referendum campaigning started.

[moley]

 

I think some of what you are mentioning above is what Labour and most the parties in the centre and on the left want to see.

See how that goes with the general public in an election

• More public spending, 
• =More public borrowing = more debt.
• Theresa May says she wants workers councils to be more involved in business as this is a successful receipt in many, if not most, western economies.
• I was referring to union power = more strikes = more misery
• Higher taxes yes.  For those who are evading taxes and a fairer burden.  
• It will be more taxes for everyone
• The Cons have hugely cut defence spending as with nearly all departments except overseas aid.  Wasting £100B on Trident which is used means the atmosphere being poisoned for everyone, I expect Labour would spend more on conventional and tactical arms which is more surgical strike rather than MAD.
• Jeremy is also going to stop uk arms manufactures selling weapons
• It is hard to imagine any government doing worse on immigration than the Cons have with over 300,000 immigrants per year for the last few years.  
• unlimited?

 

I do not know how much of Surrey is included in London but we did get a Labour London major voted in by a big majority so although there may not be many Labour voters past or even present in Surrey but perhaps as certain jobs ie banking, stock broking etc, if the Cons cannot negotiate banking passports to the 600M in the EU will need to move out of Surrey and go to Frankfurt, Paris or wherever and some Surrey residents might change their minds of the wisdom of the Cons.  

Will Jeremy sort this out?

 

The car manufactures want the UK government to cough up some cash when to help with investments when we finally leave.

[Ootohere]

The car makers will get what they want from the UK. Maybe the EU will make things less financially viable or threaten to, but then the EU will wants cars and other vehicles built by 

Companies based in EU countries imported and sold into the UK.

 

The people voted for BREXIT so if many end up unemployed or much worse off then that is how it must be.

Lets see Labour change that, or any other party.

 

But then the Big 5 staying in the EU are not that flush or secure defence wise and time will tell just what say they have over the UK's trading in just a few years time.

[Ootohere]

Rats jumping ship,

 or is that Plastic Socialists leaving Politics for a better job with prospects and working with a nicer type of scrounger living the high life.

[Scribbler]

Rats jumping ship,

 or is that Plastic Socialists leaving Politics for a better job with prospects and working with a nicer type of scrounger living the high life.

 

Did you post in the wrong thread? I though the leaderlessship contest had been won by default already?

[Ootohere]

No posted in a thread concerning Jeremy Corbyn MP rather than starting a new thread on the Leaders MP's moving on and causing By Elections.

[gadgetman]

One MP George, One.