buying a yeti - should I hold off?

[teknicolourfox]

Not concerned with the mechanics of it but do wonder about depreciation effects and any potential increase to RFL that may occur - sure VAG will have to compensate if that turns out to be the case though.

[JCP]

I believe the RFLposition is decided by and based on the registration details of new vehicles. So no fear there. depreciation is the result of market forces and as people untwist their knickers this will settle. a vehicle "affected" which continues to perform as it does now and is as well built as I believe they are will still be as useful and attractive as it is now  VAG have to ensure that any software tweak is unnoticeable and stand by their products. People who imagine that the government will retrospectively change tax rules or that their cars will cease to work properly may just wreck their own residuals.

[g6zru]

Enough already!

If this hadn't "leaked" would you still be happy with your vehicle?  

I'm, still delighted with mine and all this panic won't change that for me.

There are much more important things in life, if you have health and happiness they're more important than any vehicle. Mechanical things can be rectified.

Move on and enjoy life while you can and only worry about this "problem" when it affects you.

 

Fred 

[fabiamk2SE]

Itll be fine. I dont think theyll suffer depreciation wise in thr long run. People arent that fussed.

To quote shaun of the dead... Lets go to the winchester and let it all blow over!

[RS939]

Personally I don't care that my car is part of the recall, I don't want or need it updating unless its costing me money, The tax of the car wont change neither will the MPG or the power so what is the point

[33q]

I'm not wasting my time with the recall until I see some real world evidence of the impact of the enforced changes.

This really is a non story hyped up by the press following exaggerated US behaviour.

Look at it this way. VAG have some very inventive software engineers who have come up with a crafty way of getting round some stupid worthless tests. Those same engineers are now coming up with some tweaked software to give the same real world performance, economy and drivability as we have now.

Only if they don't meet this criteria will I be worried about ongoing values.

Ok, they shouldn't have been naughty. But how how many people given the skills and opportunity would not seek to do something similar especially as no one is harmed. In the real world nothing has changed.

[teknicolourfox]

Whoa calm down chaps I was just voicing what I was thinking.

 

Either way I won't lose sleep over it BUT I don't agree that it's a 'non story' - this is a huge 'betrayal of trust' by the VAG group and VAG AND other brands are suffering because of the backlash (share prices etc.).

 

Anyway, as I said i'm not going to lose sleep over it.

[JCP]

Share prices are just a fiction which reflect the casino set up which is operated by spivs for their own benefit. I never trusted VAG emissions tests as conjured up by lab coated pretend bunny huggers. Their engines work better than most and their vehicles are well designed and acceptably built. My yetis have both been lovely to drive and very convenient to use. what some bureaucrat (in a country where many still reject evolution and vote for-or at least take seriously people like Trump-) imagines they are testing and certifying is of little importance to anyone. 

My personal guess is that virtually no one knows or therefore cares about their cars Nox emissions. Company car drivers and the financially concerned know about Co2 because they pay in cash sums calculated on that basis. Those who are green at heart don't buy newish vehicles unless they are blind to the true environmental costs which is why I laugh so much at Prius drivers whos cars will be scrap before the energy costs of building them have been balanced out by their eco features.

[VAGCF]

Oh and I forgot to add I'm slightly concerned that the 5 speed box in the 2.0 tdi 110 would annoy me if I did my motorway commutes in it. For A roads and country roads it should be ok. It seems like an unecessary saving to pair that engine with a different gearbox compared to the other 2.0 diesels. The jeep has a 6 speed and the 120 ps seems like a nice fit for the car.

 

Fifth is fine for higher speed cruising as it is pretty high, anything much higher geared would be pretty useless as there isn't the power for it. Top isn't the problem, it's more the gaps between gears, particularly between fourth and fifth. 

 

That's why with this lower powered engine six gears would be preferable and probably even more economical as you would often be in a gear between fourth and fifth if you know what I mean.

 

The five speed box is obviously one of those marketing exercises to differentiate it from the more expensive models rather than taking the sensible approach of having six speed across the range. 

Edited 7 October, 2015 by VAGCF

[jonceebee]

I'm not wasting my time with the recall until I see some real world evidence of the impact of the enforced changes.

This really is a non story hyped up by the press following exaggerated US behaviour.

Look at it this way. VAG have some very inventive software engineers who have come up with a crafty way of getting round some stupid worthless tests. Those same engineers are now coming up with some tweaked software to give the same real world performance, economy and drivability as we have now.

Only if they don't meet this criteria will I be worried about ongoing values.

Ok, they shouldn't have been naughty. But how how many people given the skills and opportunity would not seek to do something similar especially as no one is harmed. In the real world nothing has changed.

 

I have been discussing this with some of my German former colleagues, and their opinion is there is only two ways this can be resolved. a)Fitting a Urea system, but this could cost in excess of £2k per vehicle making it too expensive  or  ( re-program the software. If the latter is the route they take it will most probably mean a drop in around 30HP in performance plus higher fuel usage. They are not happy with it all, and fear their 300 vehicle EU fleet will cost them dearly in depreciation.  

[fabiamk2SE]

Fifth is fine for higher speed cruising as it is pretty high, anything much higher geared would be pretty useless as there isn't the power for it. Top isn't the problem, it's more the gaps between gears, particularly between fourth and fifth.

That's why with this lower powered engine six gears would be preferable and probably even more economical as you would often be in a gear between fourth and fifth if you know what I mean.

The five speed box is obviously one of those marketing exercises to differentiate it from the more expensive models rather than taking the sensible approach of having six speed across the range.

Yup.

5 or 6 gears doesnt really mean anything.

Its the ratios and how close/or not so close they are

[Llanigraham]

""I have been discussing this with some of my German former colleagues, and their opinion is there is only two ways this can be resolved. a)Fitting a Urea system, but this could cost in excess of £2k per vehicle making it too expensive  or  (  re-program the software. If the latter is the route they take it will most probably mean a drop in around 30HP in performance plus higher fuel usage. They are not happy with it all, and fear their 300 vehicle EU fleet will cost them dearly in depreciation.""

 

Err? 
Why will it?

All they have to do is remove the "dodgy" programme, and since in general driving it will never be activated anyway, I doubt it will make any difference.

 

EDIT,

Sorry but can't quote as JonB replied in the 33q post!!

[fabiamk2SE]

""I have been discussing this with some of my German former colleagues, and their opinion is there is only two ways this can be resolved. a)Fitting a Urea system, but this could cost in excess of £2k per vehicle making it too expensive or ( re-program the software. If the latter is the route they take it will most probably mean a drop in around 30HP in performance plus higher fuel usage. They are not happy with it all, and fear their 300 vehicle EU fleet will cost them dearly in depreciation.""

Err?

Why will it?

All they have to do is remove the "dodgy" programme, and since in general driving it will never be activated anyway, I doubt it will make any difference.

EDIT,

Sorry but can't quote as JonB replied in the 33q post!!

Wont just removing the software leave the cars outside the Nox limits? Isnt that why it was put on to start with?

If a 110bhp car is only putting out 80bhp, you probably have the right to return it anyway?

[countryboy]

 

""I have been discussing this with some of my German former colleagues, and their opinion is there is only two ways this can be resolved. a)Fitting a Urea system, but this could cost in excess of £2k per vehicle making it too expensive  or  (  re-program the software. If the latter is the route they take it will most probably mean a drop in around 30HP in performance plus higher fuel usage. They are not happy with it all, and fear their 300 vehicle EU fleet will cost them dearly in depreciation.""

 

Err? 

Why will it?

All they have to do is remove the "dodgy" programme, and since in general driving it will never be activated anyway, I doubt it will make any difference.

 

 

But surely, if that "dodgy" programme was the one on which the test was done then wouldn't there be a responsibility to make that the default programme for normal driving and leave the car producing a lot less output in order to comply with the submitted emissions output which was part of the type approval process which is what makes a car legal to drive in Britain on British number plates? The other way around it is to remove the "dodgy" programme, allow the owners to continue using the car with the original output and then VAG compensate the government for the potential loss of revenue?

                                                                       I doubt either would happen as the spiel on the Skoda VIN checker results page states discrepancies in the NOx output and we all know that the car tax burden is based on the tested CO2 output. 

 

                                                                       I'm not going to worry about it unduly as I had heard on the radio today a quote from VW saying that they are working on a solution and they expect all cars affected by this situation to be sorted out by the end of next year, in the meantime I'm going to enjoy using my 170bhp output whenever I can!

Ian

[Llanigraham]

Wont just removing the software leave the cars outside the Nox limits? Isnt that why it was put on to start with?

If a 110bhp car is only putting out 80bhp, you probably have the right to return it anyway?

 

It might in the US, but in the UK and EU we have much higher N0x limits.

And it doesn't come into the MOT, as diesels are only smoke tested. 

[fabiamk2SE]

It might in the US, but in the UK and EU we have much higher N0x limits.

And it doesn't come into the MOT, as diesels are only smoke tested.

Ah okay. Interesting (:

Again, just an idea.. Are the powers who be willing to let a one week old (or less) car simply have it removed, because obviously a brand newy couldnt have been sold without the software.

Just seems abit too easy for me, given all the uproar haha.

Bottom line for me, is it going to cost the end user any money.. And it seems not. Most arent actually fussed about pollutants, just the cost that comes with high polluting cars. So if its not costing anymore, i dont see why any depreciation or customer should suffer. And if it does depreciate.. We could all buy one and have s bargain (:

[boemher]

Fifth is fine for higher speed cruising as it is pretty high, anything much higher geared would be pretty useless as there isn't the power for it. Top isn't the problem, it's more the gaps between gears, particularly between fourth and fifth.

That's why with this lower powered engine six gears would be preferable and probably even more economical as you would often be in a gear between fourth and fifth if you know what I mean.

The five speed box is obviously one of those marketing exercises to differentiate it from the more expensive models rather than taking the sensible approach of having six speed across the range.

I know that 5 speed boxes have different ratios and it isn't missing a 6th gear as in missing a top gear. But having one less ratio seems less than ideal if 1st gear is extremely short and 5th very tall, especially when driving up long gradients and wanting to drop a gear but not wanting to have to go to 4th gear.

Also there are posts on the forum stating that the 5 speed box isn't as smooth or robust as the 6 speed (compared to my octavias 6 speed the 5 in the yeti 2.0 tdi felt like it had a longer looser throw when changing through the ratio's ). This isn't a deal breaker for me but it is a negative point.

I saw a lovely silver adventure on the motorway driving to work this morning I tried to stick behind it for a good look but the driver insisted in going less than 60 mph and drafting behind hgvs so I had to pass them. I prefer the white and black but currently none are up for sale within 150 miles of me.

Would I be right in assuming that the real world fuel economy of the 1.8 tsi, the 1.2 tsi and the 2.0 tdi are 35 mpg,40 mpg and 45 mpg?

I like the 1.8 tsi but my wife manages to get mid 30s driving my car compared to my mid to low 40s readout. If that trend continued I think she'd manage to see mpg in the low 30s in a yeti which scares me off it. Does the 1.2 tsi return poor mpg if pushed a bit ?

I wish skoda would offer the 1.4 tsi in lower trim levels. It seems a no brainer now that there must be increased demand for petrol engines.

Edited 7 October, 2015 by boemher

[Expatman]

I wish skoda would offer the 1.4 tsi in lower trim levels. It seems a no brainer now that there must be increased demand for petrol engines.

 

 

If the buying public switches in significant numbers to petrol engines then VAG and other manufacturers will likely not have enough petrol engine supply capacity to meet demand. Most manufacturers have committed more and more production to diesel engines to meet overall CO2 emission targets and will be caught out by a switch from diesel to petrol. Crazily more and more models are only available with diesel engines - watch the  motor manufacturers panic if the public realises they have been conned on emissions and switch to petrol.....

[VAGCF]

I know that 5 speed boxes have different ratios and it isn't missing a 6th gear as in missing a top gear. But having one less ratio seems less than ideal if 1st gear is extremely short and 5th very tall, especially when driving up long gradients and wanting to drop a gear but not wanting to have to go to 4th gear.

Also there are posts on the forum stating that the 5 speed box isn't as smooth or robust as the 6 speed (compared to my octavias 6 speed the 5 in the yeti 2.0 tdi felt like it had a longer looser throw when changing through the ratio's ). This isn't a deal breaker for me but it is a negative point.

I saw a lovely silver adventure on the motorway driving to work this morning I tried to stick behind it for a good look but the driver insisted in going less than 60 mph and drafting behind hgvs so I had to pass them. I prefer the white and black but currently none are up for sale within 150 miles of me.

Would I be right in assuming that the real world fuel economy of the 1.8 tsi, the 1.2 tsi and the 2.0 tdi are 35 mpg,40 mpg and 45 mpg?

I like the 1.8 tsi but my wife manages to get mid 30s driving my car compared to my mid to low 40s readout. If that trend continued I think she'd manage to see mpg in the low 30s in a yeti which scares me off it. Does the 1.2 tsi return poor mpg if pushed a bit ?

I wish skoda would offer the 1.4 tsi in lower trim levels. It seems a no brainer now that there must be increased demand for petrol engines.

 

I wish that mine had 6 gears, particularly as most of my previous cars and our two others have 6, but find that it isn't too much of an issue.

 

You do have to change down to 4th at around 60 in top if you come to any sort of gradient and can't really drop much below 50 on the level unless you are very light on the throttle. 45 is about the lowest I go, as long as you don't want any acceleration!

 

But 4th is pretty highly geared anyway so even though the gearing isn't ideal you get used to it and find it's OK. At least with modern diesels you can rev them more and they don't sound so awful at higher revs as they used to. Having said that I don't usually go much above 2500 unless I have to for overtaking or giving the DPF a work out!

 

As regards the gear-change I commented when I first bought mine that getting into 5th seemed vague and the gear-change didn't have a classy feel to it. I'm used to 5th now, though it does baulk now and then. The change still doesn't feel classy, but then I have a TT and my wife a Mini, but it is light and precise (from the point of view of finding the gears not its action) and again you get used to it. I wouldn't describe it as loose, though there is an element of that, just not a nice, well engineered, slick feel as in some cars.

 

But given the type of vehicle that it is and the 110PS version I've chosen, and the relaxed way I drive it (most of the time) I don't have a problem with that. In the TT I would!

Edited 10 October, 2015 by VAGCF

[jonceebee]

This link arrived in my inbox this morning relating to the diesel issues.

 

https://www.carfused.com/articles/vw-scandal-your-questions-answered?MediaCode=806&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=Newsletter_MR_October_2015=&utm_content=Newsletter1012

[Llanigraham]

This link arrived in my inbox this morning relating to the diesel issues.

 

https://www.carfused.com/articles/vw-scandal-your-questions-answered?MediaCode=806&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=Newsletter_MR_October_2015=&utm_content=Newsletter1012

 

Lots of "could's" but, as usual, no answers or facts.

[Jimrod]

Well now VW are saying that the 2016 diesel engines are also affected with a newer "cheat" device, since mine is due to be built in a couple of weeks (and the fact I'm already facing trying to sell a car with the "problem" engine) I'm now going to have to think hard about cancelling. It's one thing not to be bothered with an existing car but buying a new car which may well need work and not perform as advertised (and test-driven) afterwards is another kettle of fish...  

Edited 15 October, 2015 by Jimrod

[looby]

Go ahead, it's all press speculation and nonsense. You know this country likes German bashing. Everyone is jealous because they make the best cars.... :|

[Jimrod]

Go ahead, it's all press speculation and nonsense. You know this country likes German bashing. Everyone is jealous because they make the best cars.... :|

 

Sky News: "Volkswagen says its 2016 diesel models have suspect software that could help exhaust systems run cleaner during government tests."

 

Sounds like VW has said this themselves to me, not speculation.

 

 

Oh, and Germany's own watchdog has ordered a recall, not VW bashing from the UK.: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34536573

Edited 15 October, 2015 by Jimrod

[Sad555]

Well I didn't know Germany made the best cars,after the recent admissission this is pure SPECULATION,