What annoyed you today whilst driving? **V2**

[mac11irl]

Ever have one of those days..

I cleared out and hoovered out the cars today, in prep for family transport duties.

Inadvertently left keys in ignition, realised after 3 hrs of pottering around cutting grass etc.

 

Battery flattened  have to bump it off citigo later, and leave sit running for a while.

 

Then top up the coolant.

[Aspman]

****ing fannies

 

Driving down to Falkirk so I was on a 70mph average speed camera portion of the A9 between Perth and Stirling.

 

It's dull as hell but normally you just stick on CC and trundle down the road doing the odd overtake at 72mph. This fud in a i20 stayed in the overtaking lane for 10 miles doing 65mpg.

 

IT'S 70, ****ING 70! JUST ****ING MOVE!!!!

 

Finally he buggered off and as soon as I passed he was out again in the fast lane, not overtaking jut sitting there at 65. ****.

Edited 11 April, 2017 by Aspman

[Aspman]

1 hour ago, mikeholroyd said:

Something very similar happened to me just yesterday, Aspman. Dual carriageway section of the A64 between York and Leeds, two HGVs, one in lane 1, one in lane 2, sat side by side for over 5 miles on their limiters at 56mph. Huge queue of traffic behind including me driving the coach and a police traffic car right behind me, who pulled the HGV in lane 2 as soon as everyone managed to get past. What a muppet. Would love to know what was said and if he was booked for inconsiderate driving.

 

Mike

 

Nice to know someone at least got a swearing for doing it.

[Ootohere]

3 times recently i have come out Glasgow going to Edinburgh & come out of the 50 mph roadwork average speed cameras & onto the 70 mph Max speed limit only to come up behind the traffic in the outside lane at 65 mph as there is a Police Scotland Traffic car in the inside lane and the car in the outside lane will not go passed it.

No idea really if they think it is big or smart or part of their procedure, maybe someone in the know can tell me if they are just taking the pith.

[KenONeill]

@Aspman - I thought the average Greed Scameras on the A9 were all North of Perth, like the single carriageway is?

 

@Awayoffski - The last I heard Traffic were supposed to cruise at 56mph so that cars would overtake. The last time I overtook a Police vehicle I got a wave of approval for the way I did the move.

[Ootohere]

A9 has 23 miles of Average Speed Cameras Broxden Roundabout to Keir Roundabout. 

(both directions.)

 

A90 Aberdeen to Dundee and now Average Speed Cameras will be put in from the new ones at Stonehaven to Aberdeen.

 

PS

Where does the Cruise at 56 mph stuff come from, the 56 mph is only quoted in MPG Charts / EU Testing because it is 90kmh.

Do you mean 'Traffic' Police? Allowing someone to go 4mph faster to pass would be taking the pith.

Have they no place to get to like other people, just trucking along watching overtakers?

Oddly 100kmh is 62mph but the UK stuck with 60 mph as the Nation Speed Limit (max single carriageway.)

Edited 11 April, 2017 by Awayoffski

[Ootohere]

Sorry it was Ken i was asking about him says about 'Traffic' going at 56mph to let cars pass. I assumed he means Traffic Police.

 

HGV's Elephant Racing is a big problem in Scotland where there are Crawler Lanes and even Dual Carriageways.

Even still on the A9 with Average Speed Cameras and the Pilot Speed Trial that allows then to go faster than the NSL for their vehicles on the A9 between Inverness & Perth.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-29708280 

 

Max HGV speed on a single carriageway is 40 mph is it not, 50 on Dual Carriageway?  EDIT.  I see England / Wales is different.

(Crawler lanes / outside lane areas are often assumed by drivers to be treated like a dual carriageway but if there is no central divider with the opposite direction traffic the higher speed limit does not apply.)

 

Edited 11 April, 2017 by Awayoffski

[KenONeill]

@Aspman @Awayoffski - My reference to Traffic (Police Traffic Division for the pedants then  ) cruising at 56mph meant "on motorways"; I don't know about other roads, but the idea was that if they were cruising at "truck speed" they were out of most people's way and slow enough that you could overtake and pull away legally (oh and you do realise that they have fully calibrated speedometers, not just manufacturer ones?)

[Aspman]

I think most plod drive a little below the limit to allow normal drivers to get past and carry on at 'normal' speeds. That's from experience not reading of anything formal.

 

I doubt there is a written figure or policy for it.

[Ootohere]

Mike i think my best average speed trips and lowest fuel consumption is achieved sitting at a safe distance behind a Megabus or a McBurney lorry in the southern parts of Scotland.

 

Ken, when i overtake Police Vehicles i am sure i know my real speed.  

Feet for dancing head for thinking.

 GPS and other means for being sure you know what your Speedo under reads by when driving lots of miles with Average Speed Cameras

and what the difference is with different tyres fitted during the year.

Edited 11 April, 2017 by Awayoffski

[keystonedriving]

On 11/04/2017 at 11:32, Aspman said:

****ing fannies

 

Driving down to Falkirk so I was on a 70mph average speed camera portion of the A9 between Perth and Stirling.

 

It's dull as hell but normally you just stick on CC and trundle down the road doing the odd overtake at 72mph. This fud in a i20 stayed in the overtaking lane for 10 miles doing 65mpg.

 

IT'S 70, ****ING 70! JUST ****ING MOVE!!!!

 

Finally he buggered off and as soon as I passed he was out again in the fast lane, not overtaking jut sitting there at 65. ****.

 

Probably working on the basis that his speedo was saying 70 and therefore nobody can legally overtake him.

 

So far as trucks on the limiter are concerned, a lot of trucks seem to have their limiters set to a speed nearer 100 kph than 90 kph.  It seems to have got a lot more common since the NSL limits were increased in England and Wales.  From observation I would include one of the well known supermarkets in this camp, they used to be limited to about 82 kph but when they changed their vehicle supplier they got seriously fast.  They've calmed them down a bit over the last year but they are still over the limit, never mind the limiter.

 

There are also coaches which have limiters set rather higher than 100 kph.  I know that older coaches do not have to be limited (pre 2006), but I'm talking about shiny new coaches over the limit.  No Names, no packdrill, but there are a couple of largish companies this apples to.

[Ootohere]

?

Did MEGABUS get some kind of Speed Limiter exemption?

[Ootohere]

Yes some of us remember when the Brother & Sister run Berry Buses out of Wallnut grove. 

Some of us also know the real speed your vehicles are doing

Edited 14 April, 2017 by Awayoffski

[Ootohere]

We know all that.

I will see if i get you some film tonight and then we can talk about the real world and now.

All the regulations in the world and then what you see regularly.

 

Local to me in 2009 a Haulage Contractor lost his operators licence and the drivers suffered badly as well, one of the most serious cases that that was prosecuted.

http://forfardispatch.co.uk/news/haulage-firm-hit-by-operating-licence-ban-1-263966 

A well maintained fleet.

 

Edited 14 April, 2017 by Awayoffski

[trundlenut]

Good trick there George.

[mattlad]

Congestion......

[usedabused]

Are any of you actually in the haulage industry???

[fabiamk2SE]

1 minute ago, usedabused said:

Are any of you actually in the haulage industry???

 

you make it sound like an achievement... on a car forum? 

[usedabused]

Just curious chaps is all...

 

No disrespect at all to @mikeholroyd,

 

I drove worked in the removal industry some years ago back in the days of sleeping accross the seats and magnets on the tacho ..

 

The standard of driving especially in the professional sector is just shamefull..

 

All these new regulations have improved nothing just a simple money making ploy for the government..

 

fabiamk2SE

 

An achiement but im not sure of what...

 

 

[fabiamk2SE]

5 minutes ago, usedabused said:

Just curious chaps is all...

 

No disrespect at all to @mikeholroyd,

 

I drove worked in the removal industry some years ago back in the days of sleeping accross the seats and magnets on the tacho ..

 

The standard of driving especially in the professional sector is just shamefull..

 

All these new regulations have improved nothing just a simple money making ploy for the government..

 

fabiamk2SE

 

An achiement but im not sure of what...

 

 

 

I agree bud. 

 

I personally think that a better driver is made by someone who is genuinely interested in driving and maybe does it as a hobby too. IAM and ROSPA is all good too of course.. but you have to be interested to even consider doing it. 

 

 

[keystonedriving]

Mike,

 

I am well aware of the inaccuracies built into most vehicle speedos which is why I calibrate mine both against a stand-alone GPS and, using a stop watch, against the mile posts on a handy bit of railway line (which I have been using for this purpose for over 40 years).  I therefore tend to know what my actual speed is.  My Toledo reads around 7% fast as did my Roomster, but as they are built on the same platform that probably should be no surprise.  As my usual cruising speed is in the region of 62 to 65 mph (I like to save money on fuel) I am quite sensitive to the speeds which larger vehicles are traveling at.

 

The Highway Code is not 'full of errors' with regard to speed limits, in the interests of brevity it only has a selection of the limits which can apply to various vehicles.  For the full story you have to go to Annex 6 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act (as you are probably well aware).

 

I am well aware that it is illegal to set limiters higher than the law permits and that there are potential penalties for those who do, but that doesn't stop people doing it.  There are people within the industry who work on the basis that the law only applies when you get caught, as has long been the case.  I can assure you that I encounter vehicles of all kinds exceeding national speed limits on a daily basis.  My perception is that limiters are being set higher since the limits for LGVs were increased two years ago.

 

As for coaches, it is less common than for trucks, but it is not unknown to find certain operators somewhat over.  Maybe because we are 'at the end of the line' they may be getting a bit tight for hours by the time they get here?

 

Just because things shouldn't happen does not mean that they don't happen.

 

I'm a professional driver trainer but for the past 7 years I have only worked in the fleet end of the business, up to 7.5 tonnes.  I am therefore probably more aware of the regulations than most people.

 

Rob.

[roaddetective]

18 hours ago, fabiamk2SE said:

 

I agree bud. 

 

I personally think that a better driver is made by someone who is genuinely interested in driving and maybe does it as a hobby too. IAM and ROSPA is all good too of course.. but you have to be interested to even consider doing it. 

 

 

Interested drivers used to be the only ones wanting to train for an advanced test, but a few companys now are not only giving their employees defensive driver training, some of them are giving employees extra training leading up to an I.A.M. advanced test. However, I find that as a fleet I.A.M. trainer myself, the participants do usually take on board the training given to them during their "mandatory" training sessions and want to pass at the end. I totally agree, that on the whole a driver who takes a pride in their ability and skills behind the wheel, is usually the driver who strives to improve. 

[mac11irl]

I annoyed myself yesterday in verona by not realising the satnav had lost signal for a moment under a bridge, so hadnt updated the next instruction, after missing the previous instruction. Had to go a round the same block twice to get out and into the correct lane for where we were going.

I do like the Autostrada's ticket idea though - the more you use the more you pay per journey. Also Italian drivers seem no different to irish drivers. Pull out/across you and dont use indicators. Unless up around lake garda is something completely different, i dont quite get (so far) why the reputation is so bad. I reckon its partly down to RHD people not being able to do LHD, so everything seems horrendous. I even got a manual to make it more interesting, and its still fine after about 90secs in the airport car park...

[KenONeill]

@mikeholroyd - The HGV and PSV speed limits stated in the HC are not errors (except of mph to kph corrections); the speed limits stated are correct, even though EU speed limiters are set to lower speeds. That aside, I agree with you.

[KenONeill]

22 hours ago, mikeholroyd said:

Not exactly Ken. Since I posted my original reply, I myself have had a roadside VOSA check. I asked the VOSA officer about the limits and the Highway Code, and he was catagiric in telling me that a driver exceeding the 90 or 100 kph would be prosecuted. In other words, the enforceable limit is in fact what the limiters have to be set to, making the table in the Highway Code wrong. 

 

Mike 

And I've been told the opposite by serving police officers and by specialist road traffic lawyers.