I wouldn't say the Windows 10 has been failure. After the already mentioned bad releases of Windows especially 8, the vast majority of reviews of it have been very positive. I'm of on the positive side of the fence with it having used every version of Windows released. It integrates well with the cloud based environment we are now moving towards.

A lot on here aren't happy with the move towards cloud based storage and software but you have little choice as this is the way it is going. Cloud storage is a God send in my opinion, being able to share and collaborate on documents/resources is great and a lot cheaper than you could do with only a few years ago with no skills needed to support it.

Software i'm a bit it and miss with. The hosted software I don't have a problem with but the revenue mechanism where you no longer have the choice to purchase it, only rent it via subscriptions is a lot more expensive than purchasing the software outright with only small improvements made with updates. 

The hardware available is changing to meet this way of working. Speed and outright power aren't the big issues any more but portability and staying power. Processors are less powerful but hugely more efficient to allow laptops to run all day on only one charge. Even desktop computing is going down the same route with smaller more power efficient being the requirement expect for the most demanding applications. 

I DID NOT post  this as a WINDOWS VS LINUX trade off- so please stick to topic- It's about  W10 ,end of.Mods, can you please mod on this to stop large scale topic drift ,and possible problems

 

Yeah but what distro.....only joking :p

 

Winpho 10 isn't the same as full desktop 10 even with the continuum and dock running. Continuum will only use universal apps which apparently there wer evey few of.

 

Buuut if they can nail this "phone as a desktop" idea W10 could really take off in business.

 

I suspect the phones are more than powerful enough to run the full desktop W10 but it wouldn't be very power friendly.

 

I'm not an Android/Apple fan and my current phone contract is up. I like WinPho8 and if the price of the 950 comes down I might well get one. But I'm not paying £30+ a month for it.

No need for moderation, as you have made it clear that you want it to remain about Windows 10 from now on

 

Everything else was within the realms of relevance

 

 

Ok people, stick to Windows 10 as the OP requested please

 

Thanks

Thanks, mate- I've seen so many posts go mad and Mods have  to go mad( or mod), to see where I decided that I'd ask Mods to intervene, before the topic got closed.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/11/windows_10_makes_big_gains_at_home_lags_at_work/

 

 

Our monthly look at desktop operating system market share has turned up something interesting: Windows 10 looks to be a hit at home but a laggard at work.

Interesting just built a new gaming PC  - i5-6600, 16GB RAM, GTX 960 and 240GB SSD and installed Win 10 - all in less than an hour.  All drivers present and correct - no dramas or anything - runs ED:Horizons a dream. (The old PC was struggling in places.)   

 

The win 10 USB upgrade download looks to have been changed and you don't have to upgrade the existing PC you can do a clean build and just supply a genuine WIN 7 key and it will install the appropriate version for that key. 

The win 10 USB upgrade download looks to have been changed and you don't have to upgrade the existing PC you can do a clean build and just supply a genuine WIN 7 key and it will install the appropriate version for that key. 

 

Yes that's apparently the case but I've not tried it.

I switched to an SSD previously and it was a right PITA, since I had to install Win7 first then W10 despite it being previously upgraded to W10 and all my licenses being legit.

 

I might think about doing the laptop now. Now I've got an SSD in the main 'puter everything else seems bleedin slow.

Yes that's apparently the case but I've not tried it.

I switched to an SSD previously and it was a right PITA, since I had to install Win7 first then W10 despite it being previously upgraded to W10 and all my licenses being legit.

 

I might think about doing the laptop now. Now I've got an SSD in the main 'puter everything else seems bleedin slow.

 

Works with OEM keys as well.  i.e. don't have to be on the same PC or even make of PC. If you have a Win 7 key you can install WIN 10 on anything (or so it seems!) If you have a old dead (or dying)  Win 7 laptop you can use that key on a new build.

Bought my daughter a Windows 10 laptop, for her college work

 

So slow it's frightening.

 

Loads of posts on the internet saying the same.

 

Music slow, video slow (tried all the tricks with lowering sound Hz on Realtek etc)

 

Still slow, and pop up Windows take ages to appear as well.

 

It's going back.

 

This was a replacement for the one we ordered first that went back.

 

That was a HP stream running Windows 8.

 

Supposedly 32gb HD, but when you turn it on there is 21.5GB already taken.

 

Once we installed office and a couple of other programs HD capacity was down to 7GB!

 

It came advertised with a free upgrade to Windows 10.

 

We rang HP to upgrade, but even the tech guy using remote assistance couldn't free up the 10GB needed for the swap to W10.

 

Total waste of time.

 

Also Windows updates would soon take up the rest of the 7GB rendering the machine useless.

 

Went on a few forums and everyone is complaining. The HP representative suggested not downloading any updates to prevent filling up the HD... can you believe it lol. Let's not update and skip the security updates... Who needs them anyway eh?

 

So, HP went back and this Acer with W10 is going back.

 

I'm getting her a MacBook, as I have never had any issues with my 27" iMac.

 

I know you either love or hate them and I'm in the former.

 

Windows 10 in my opinion is just too large for the cheaper laptops to handle

 

Back to Apple for me 

Edited 11 January, 201610 yr by Damo

Bought my daughter a Windows 10 laptop, for her college work

 

So slow it's frightening.

 

Loads of posts on the internet saying the same.

 

Music slow, video slow (tried all the tricks with lowering sound Hz on Realtek etc)

 

Still slow, and pop up Windows take ages to appear as well.

 

It's going back.

 

This was a replacement for the one we ordered first that went back.

 

That was a HP stream running Windows 8.

 

Supposedly 32gb HD, but when you turn it on there is 21.5GB already taken.

 

Once we installed office and a couple of other programs HD capacity was down to 7GB!

 

It came advertised with a free upgrade to Windows 10.

 

We rang HP to upgrade, but even the tech guy using remote assistance couldn't free up the 10GB needed for the swap to W10.

 

Total waste of time.

 

Also Windows updates would soon take up the rest of the 7GB rendering the machine useless.

 

Went on a few forums and everyone is complaining. The HP representative suggested not downloading any updates to prevent filling up the HD... can you believe it lol. Let's not update and skip the security updates... Who needs them anyway eh?

 

So, HP went back and this Acer with W10 is going back.

 

I'm getting her a MacBook, as I have never had any issues with my 27" iMac.

 

I know you either love or hate them and I'm in the former.

 

Windows 10 in my opinion is just too large for the cheaper laptops to handle

 

Back to Apple for me 

 

 

 

 

Bought my daughter a Linx 1010 -  works like a charm - that has only a 32mb drive but it allows a 64GB (SD card) drive to be added and all new stuff is added to that.

 

Obviously HP and Acer are shipping substandard hardware  - it is a bit unfair to compare budget spec laptops to Mac though.   

Works with OEM keys as well.  i.e. don't have to be on the same PC or even make of PC. If you have a Win 7 key you can install WIN 10 on anything (or so it seems!) If you have a old dead (or dying)  Win 7 laptop you can use that key on a new build.

 

Ooh, you're not suppoed to get that. Nice loophole to exploit for a while anyway. Or maybe they're accepting the license hit just to get people on 10.

 

Bought my daughter a Windows 10 laptop, for her college work

 

So slow it's frightening.

 

Loads of posts on the internet saying the same.

 

Music slow, video slow (tried all the tricks with lowering sound Hz on Realtek etc)

 

Still slow, and pop up Windows take ages to appear as well.

 

It's going back.

 

Windows 10 in my opinion is just too large for the cheaper laptops to handle

 

Back to Apple for me 

 

Hmm that's odd. Since Win8 new versions of windows work very well on low powered hardware. You can run W10 on some real old stuff.

 

A lack of space does sound like they have used the disk for backups. You might be able to clear that out a lot.

But 32Gb isn't really enough space for a proper daily computer these days.

If it'll take an SD card you could bump up the space for a lot a lot of money (for a 64 or even a 128Gb card) but you'd need to get to the bottom of the issue.

I've only a 32gb "ssd" on my little hp g1 260 pc and it upgraded no bother to Windows 10.

I wonder if you need to create the recovery USB to be able to free up some space on some of these machines. Personally I didn't bother, I just removed the recovery completely as I can alway reinstall from WDS if I need.

My Linx 10 complained at the last major update that it didn't have a enough room for the update but suggested I used another drive as temporary storage - added a external 500GB drive and selected that - update was done and the 32GB that was about 27GB used had dropped down to about 12gb used.

OT but Sainsburys selling a Linx8 with 32Gb for £40 today.

 

I was sorely tempted but I really don't need another small tablet. Same the 10 wasn't on half price or I'd have probably bitten.

 

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/linx-8-32gb-windows-8-1-tablet-40-with-code-sainsbury-s-online-2371533

 it is a bit unfair to compare budget spec laptops to Mac though.   

 

I agree.

 

Its just I have now had 2 laptops that have had to go back, and some friends of ours had the same with a laptop they purchased for xmas.

 

I know with a macbook, I won't have any of these issues

No need for moderation, as you have made it clear that you want it to remain about Windows 10 from now on

 

Everything else was within the realms of relevance

 

 

Ok people, stick to Windows 10 as the OP requested please

 

Thanks

Thanks, Damo- main area of complaint was that TOO often mention an OS, and mods have to intervene/lock a post to stop an OS DEBATE/FIGHT, between Windows and other OS.

Oh dear, hope I didn't pour any fuel on that fire then.

 

My point was primarily about my displeasure with Win 10... Honest.

I agree.

 

Its just I have now had 2 laptops that have had to go back, and some friends of ours had the same with a laptop they purchased for xmas.

 

I know with a macbook, I won't have any of these issues

 

I think some manufacturers are using cloud based services as an excuse to cut corners on devices. Making a W10 laptop in a Chromebook style.

I don't think that's an OS problem really. To some extent it's buyer beware, buyers need to think about how they will be using the new device not just the price tag.

There are a awful lot of underpowered laptops out there at the moment with minimum graphics, ram, processors and slow HDs.  I been doing a lot of research recently when I decided to do the upgrade  and it was a decision whether to go for  laptop or a build a desktop.

 

A couple things came to light:-

 

Intel's nomenclature of it's range of CPUs is very confusing as you can have a i7 in a laptop that is basically is the same as mid range desktop power (but lower energy use).

 

Laptops are still poor value v performance.  

 

In regards to cheap laptops I have the following to say:- 

 

My MIL has a cheap Lenovo Laptop with a Intel celeron 2815 and frankly  it's very slow (especially when doing window updates!) - it was under Win 8 and it's probably a little bit quicker under Win 10. If you look at it's benchmarks it should be as fast (if not faster) as the Atom Z3735 powered windows tablets (like the Linx 10) but it just isn't.  I'm not sure why - the OS is the same - it even had more RAM (4gb v 2gb) - the only thing I can put it down to is disk speed - I think these cheap laptops are shipped with the slowest 2.5 HD they can find and this drags the whole performance down to it's very slow level. The tablets don't have an HD or SSD but 32GB Flash (not as fast as a SATA SSD but considerably faster than HD).

 

I considering doing a SSD (£35) upgrade to see if this actually is the problem. MIL doesn't care about the speed as she only uses it to skype her daughter in the US - which it does well. 

People need to remember its not just the main components CPU, Hard disk, memory etc its the quality of interconnecting components and thermal elements that play a huge part in how smoothly a system operates. For example My Laptop is 4 years old and was medium spec back then so new laptops should knock spots off it. But because its a Sony Vaio (im not a brand snob) everything is harmonious and everything compliments each other. All this means that with a fresh install of Windows 10 its just as quick as the new Dell's and Acers we have at work if not faster. So in my experience it pays to get a reputable make. Now HP, Dell and the like do make some cracking hi end laptops but they also make some real sloth budget ones too. This is not my experience with Sony even the lower spec ones seem to be of a reasonable standard and fit for purpose.

Appears that one of the few constant things in IT is - never buy a Celeron.

 

Even I'd assumed that a Celeron could cope these days since we have Dell 11" tablets with Atom processors that work just fine.

 

But nope - Celeron = ****e

 

Hasn't changed for nearly 20yr.

Appears that one of the few constant things in IT is - never buy a Celeron.

 

Even I'd assumed that a Celeron could cope these days since we have Dell 11" tablets with Atom processors that work just fine.

 

But nope - Celeron = ****e

 

Hasn't changed for nearly 20yr.

 

 

Yes people do look at the clock speed only and have no idea how much level 2 / 1 Cache is on the die. But isn't that the point its done to confuse consumers into buying an inferior product. It makes me laugh when people rush to tell me they have purchased a PC with a CPU that a gazillion

Ghz per second clockspeed. Only to find out on closer inspection its a Celeron, i3 or worse. AMD and Intel don't even measure speed the same way its how many operations per clock cycle.

Edited 12 January, 201610 yr by Scribbler

Yes people do look at the clock speed only and have no idea how much level 2 / 1 Cache is on the die. But isn't that the point its done to confuse consumers into buying an inferior product. It makes me laugh when people rush to tell me they have purchased a PC with a CPU that a gazillion

Ghz per second clockspeed. Only to find out on closer inspection its a Celeron, i3 or worse. AMD and Intel don't even measure speed the same way its how many operations per clock cycle.

 

As I said before, it is confusing  especially if you are talking about desktop v mobile CPUs.  The £30 Intel Pentium G3240  3.2ghz (dual core) in my old pc was fine until ED:Horizons and then it started to struggle, before then it hadn't any trouble at all. 

 

Some of the laptops at work don't work at all well if put on the "performance" settings - it appears that this "overheats" the processor so they throttle CPU speed (which is way slower than the normal ) until cooler. They work much faster on the balanced settings.

My rather basic i3 has handled everything I've thrown at it so far, I've just got an older mid rage gfx card and it manages ED, War Thunder, Skyrim all on fairly high settings.

 

It crossed my mind to nick the i5 out the PC at work and put my i3 in. Seemed a waste to have an i5 just doing Word etc; but we bitlocker the machines which fingerprints the hardware. That'd take some explaining away.

Edited 12 January, 201610 yr by Aspman

I amazed that manufacturers are still installing hard drives in laptops rather than SSDs.

 

I recently replaced my 13 year old Packard Bell Intel single core powered laptop (1 GB !), which I had running Windows 7 (32) on a replacement internal  64GB IDE SSD (After the Hitachi HD had failed 4 years ago).

 

However,  the new laptop, an HP Pavillion 15, I5 6800 came supplied with a 2 TB disk and 8GB of memory as standard, even though its not a games machine ! You only appear to get an SSD if you go for I7s.

 

Boot-up times are 15secs to the Windows 10 ( Home) sign-on screen, 30 seconds to desktop and 1 minute 20 secs to full load, including Skype and a couple of cloud storage applications. So boot-up time is about between 1/4 and 1/3 of the Packard machine it replaced.

 

Definitely much slower than I7's I've seen, but half the cost. And battery life @ 45 W consumption  seems to be living up to the advertised 7 hours (Compared to 40 minutes on the Packard @ 70-120W - it used to fry your thighs)

 

Once the warranty expires, I'll probably install an SSD - that action on the Packard cut OS load times by 1/3.

 

As for Windows 10 Home, as a lot of people now know, its bloody irritating having to re-learn, yet again, where the designers have hidden the core utility programs whilst in the pursuit of the marketing department quest to make the front-end  "User friendly" , but it seems to function reasonably well in standard form, and even better when you remove the pre-loaded apps (And substitute your own issue) for Mcaffe and MS Office - the latter are put there to direct you to the subscription based Cloud services.

 

What is even more irritating is that you have to resort to writing Powershell script in the Command Console, on a one-for-one basis, if you want to remove the "Bloat-ware" programs that W10 has embedded in it.

 

What particularly winds me up, is that Increasingly, with these apparently highly developed operating systems and hardware, one experiences a gulf between the output speed of operation between different programs in the same OS. So, for example,  you flick the touchpad for one application and it executes at lightening speed (Often too fast to perceive) and on another there is a significant delay - what the aircraft Test Pilots would term a lack of   "Harmony of controls". These effects need to be smoothed so that a common experience is presented to the user, no matter what app/program he is using.(Excluding games),

 

 

Nick

Edited 12 January, 201610 yr by Clunkclick

SSDs are a premium option in the same way that Sat Navs are a £1000 option in cars and £50 in the shop.

It's about the perception of buying a premium product. but it's even more rediculous with SSDs since it's a trivial process to fit one whereas at least a car sat nav has been integrated in an expensive way.

 

I had a discussion at work with my boss where I suggested that it could be economical to retrofit all the desktops with small SSDs. The time saved over a year would probably pay for them plus you get a nicer experience.

Edited 12 January, 201610 yr by Aspman