I would like a Dacia Denem.  1979 '1310'  an earlier 1100s would be just too pretty.

I can not find a Hillman Imp i want to work on, and they are a bit of a squeeze for me these days.

If i wanted an old Renault i would say that and get an old Renault, but i had them when they were nearly knew, 

and my favourite of my French cars was a Peugeot 504 auto, and i really would like one of those again.

 

Looking at the Car Manufacturers and sales in the EU in 2015,

i see that Dacia Build and sell around twice as many cars as BMW MINI.

Edited 25 January, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

What's depreciation like on Dacia or i10? Actually the Logan looks like 39/40% at 3 years which is as good as Skoda/SEAT

 

However, would you put your kids in a Logan / Duster with a poor 3 star NCAP rating??

 

The EuroNCAP rating is looking rather over-simplistic on the star rating.  Clio 3 was 5 star, Sander 4 star and then Logan 3 star in 2014 largely due to it not having lane departure (I thought that was what your eyes and brain were for).  When you look at the actual passenger safety score..

http://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ratings/#?selectedMake=0&selectedMakeName=Select a 

 

Dacia gets a score of 75%, Audi A3 78% and i10 and Toledo 80%, i20 73%, not a big difference (new Mini gets 73%, Corsa and Tesla S 77%) and this only checks on frontal and side impacts.  Would one rather be in the back of a Dacia Logan upon a rear end impact where the passenger is 2m from the collision point or in a i10 where the passengers head is about 10cm from the collition point?   Not covered by EuroNCAP though lane departure and seat belt warning are, misguided nanny society focusing on the wrong things again.    

Edited 25 January, 201610 yr by lol-lol

Friend who is a panel beater says Dacia are paper thin. Dont think I'd put me little ones in one. Don't like the i20 but def a better car

 

 

Not for passenger safety according to EuroNCAP.

Well these are the 'New Dacia', Renault Dacia.

My only real issue is the Dacia Duster, odd seating position as far as i am concerned, but that is maybe just me,

and after waiting for them to be released and getting excited at the thought of a Automatic none were available in the UK. 

 

But as to the Original Dacia cars,

Romanian Business People travelled around Europe buying up Dacia where ever they could for Spares or Repairs.

I quite fancy getting one and then putting an interesting Engine / Gearbox in it, modern underpinnings and original look patina.

Must have a look see if any can be had still at 'Much Cheapness'.

 

There is suppose to be a Dacia Duster EDC (DSG) launched this year in the UK.  Paired with the 1.2 TCE engine with 125/130 hp, only 2 wheel drive I heard though.   Saw loads of Dacia when travelling in Europe last summer and the Lodgy is an awesome machine, massive, even more capacity than the Logan.  

 

I miss the turbo when I drive the naturally aspirated Chevy and Fabia HTP but not the Jaag but then it is 2.5 litres. With less torque in the 1.2 litre i10 than the 0.9 TCE Stepway I would expect to find it needing more change downs to less relaxed cruising.  Could not get 4 adult and 8 suit cases in a i10 or even i20 for that matter.   Would not even consider the 1.0 i10 as it is the same Hp as the Chevy and with 2 or 3 people in it the performance just disappears.  

The issue is the Duster Seating, entry and exit situation.

Not any use for me, it is odd, well IMO, so even if given one free gratis i would need to decline.  Shame really.

(I will look when a Auto arrives in the UK and see where the throttle and brake pedal are.)

 

All that engine gearbox stuff on Autos goes back over 4 years and i was in a EU Auto way back then.

Rubbish little petrol 2 wheel drive AWD look a likeys are not really what is needed in the way of a cheap Softoader in the UK, 

there are enough crap like that on sale already.

My friend has a Stepway -she's had it for a year now and is very happy with it, I've only been a passenger -but it seems a very nice car for the money - it's the diesel though - the same Renault K9K engine that Mercedes use in the A and B class. 

I love how all these people have friends that are mechanics, panel beaters, auto electricians that say Dacias are poor, expensive, thin? All car panels are much the same thickness! If your panel beater mate wants a car with thick panels (goodness knows why? Just a heavy uneconomical car) then the only car he'll consider/recommend would be a Volvo 240 series.

That said, I better sell my Peugeot sharpish! God forbid some of the body panels are actually plastic!!!!! Your mate would have kittens if he worked on it!

Paper thin just being as saying. As in they are not built very well not really anything to do with the tickness of the panels. :-)

Maybe have a look in at a Dacia Dealership and do some tyre kicking yourself.

I was asked to inspect some early Duster's with the rust issue, and i would trust my loved ones in one,

as i did in my Kia Picanto.

 

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lol-lol,  about the EuroNCAP stuff and rear crumple area and passengers safety area,

2009 and the Toyota iQ was awarded 5 Stars.

But that will be the 9 Air Bags, (11 in some models.)

It was a pity about the accident damaged ones i looked at, one very seriously T-Boned, and no air bags had deployed.

(But like Toyota claimed, only were necessary do they go off!!)

 

Edited 25 January, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

Paper thin just being as saying. As in they are not built very well not really anything to do with the tickness of the panels. :-)

I'd say they are built as good as any other car and I don't think a panel beater is qualified to judge is a car is structurally sound or not.

There is suppose to be a Dacia Duster EDC (DSG) launched this year in the UK. Paired with the 1.2 TCE engine with 125/130 hp, only 2 wheel drive I heard though. Saw loads of Dacia when travelling in Europe last summer and the Lodgy is an awesome machine, massive, even more capacity than the Logan.

I miss the turbo when I drive the naturally aspirated Chevy and Fabia HTP but not the Jaag but then it is 2.5 litres. With less torque in the 1.2 litre i10 than the 0.9 TCE Stepway I would expect to find it needing more change downs to less relaxed cruising. Could not get 4 adult and 8 suit cases in a i10 or even i20 for that matter. Would not even consider the 1.0 i10 as it is the same Hp as the Chevy and with 2 or 3 people in it the performance just disappears.

What Chevy do you have lol?

What Chevy do you have lol?

 

I would like to say a 1967/8 Stingray but it is just a Spark which is nominally mine by actually used by another family member.  Use it occasionally, it has one of those LED dashes with the curved led rev counters, cool.  We took it from Worcester to Brands and back for a Euro-NASCAR American car rally, like the i10 with the tiny tank had to fill up twice, coped quite well though, 68 hp, 1.2 HTP Fabia only has 60hp!  A bit deaf after that run. Could have taken the Jaag S type as that is more American than the Chevy really ie a Lincoln LS.

 

These little Korean cars (3.5m) are great for parking in some of the old streets of Worcester rather than taking the 4.5m Logan or 5m Jaag.  Horses for courses.

Edited 25 January, 201610 yr by lol-lol

There is an extra £250, in addition to the already £500 for the Sandero/Stepway/Logan and £1K off the Duster, for the rest of Jan for the Sandero that won the What Car best car under £12K - four years in a row).

 

You do the maths.

 

My Logan is last of the Euro 5s, the Euro 6s now have 140 Nm of torque instead of 135Nm.  

 

Think the i10 1.2 is 120 Nm, 1 litre is 95 Nm. 

Edited 25 January, 201610 yr by lol-lol

 

The EuroNCAP rating is looking rather over-simplistic on the star rating.  Clio 3 was 5 star, Sander 4 star and then Logan 3 star in 2014 largely due to it not having lane departure (I thought that was what your eyes and brain were for).  When you look at the actual passenger safety score..

http://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ratings/#?selectedMake=0&selectedMakeName=Select a 

 

Dacia gets a score of 75%, Audi A3 78% and i10 and Toledo 80%, i20 73%, not a big difference (new Mini gets 73%, Corsa and Tesla S 77%) and this only checks on frontal and side impacts.  Would one rather be in the back of a Dacia Logan upon a rear end impact where the passenger is 2m from the collision point or in a i10 where the passengers head is about 10cm from the collition point?   Not covered by EuroNCAP though lane departure and seat belt warning are, misguided nanny society focusing on the wrong things again.    

 

 

Fairly shabby selection of statistics you made there - you're rather lucky the logan had one half decent score for you to parade on here (which was for child occupants as it happens) I notice you don't mention its other scores which are all quite, or very, poor.

 

 

 

I must say I'm surprised our resident Hyundai salesman hasn't been on yet extolling the virtues of his favourite brand too.

Edited 25 January, 201610 yr by camelspyyder

 

Fairly shabby selection of statistics you made there - you're rather lucky the logan had one half decent score for you to parade on here (which was for child occupants as it happens) I notice you don't mention its other scores which are all quite, or very, poor.

I must say I'm surprised our resident Hyundai salesman hasn't been on yet extolling the virtues of his favourite brand too.

 

 

Well Passenger safety is by far the most important and I was pleased that the Dacia was close or better than some quite prestigious and much newer cars.  The only think that worried me a bit was the report of deformation in the footwell.  All cars have weakness, for example the Rapid/Toledo "The seat and head restraint provided marginal protection against whiplash in the event of a rear-end collision." a quite typical VAG weakness and an area VAG are notorious for under-investing in.  Rely on the star system at peril.  .....Also EuroNCAP state....

 

The following provides some general guidance as to what safety performance the stars refer to in today's system:

 

5 stars safety: Overall good performance in crash protection. Well equipped with robust crash avoidance technology

4 stars safety: Overall good performance in crash protection; additional crash avoidance technology may be present

3 stars safety: Average to good occupant protection but lacking crash avoidance technology

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There is also lots of real life evidence that despite NCAP ratings that in reality that pure size of cars is equally relevant....

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2206483/Small-cars-dangerous-New-insurance-study-proves-youre-safer-bigger-car-reveals-vehicles-highest-injury-rates.html

 

Small cars are more dangerous: Shock study reveals modest motors have biggest risk of injury and Porsche 911 is the safest of all

• Car with highest rate of personal injury claims is Toyota Yaris
• Porsche 911 has lowest rate, says insurance industry survey
• A larger, heavier vehicle is better at protecting occupants than a smaller, lighter one

Edited 25 January, 201610 yr by lol-lol

This argument could rage on forever. If dacia are that bad why would Renault put their name to them. Plus they wouldn't be sold in Europe if they aren't safe. Lots of people slated Skoda when they went under the vw umbrella. It's the same principal as vw Skoda. Renault recycling technology passing the saving on. Plus its tried and tested tec. I would have one over a Hyundai simply because you get more for your money. Fair play to the dacia owners taking the plunge.

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Renault had to get the current Megane tested three times over 2014/15 to get it up to 5 star, having started down at 3 stars.

 

So maybe - Renault group are just less good at built in safety than VAG appear to be from NCAPs own test results.

 

 

 

To answer the OP, The Stepway seems to be much more car for much less money than the i10 - the exact same argument we used to choose the Ibiza over the i10 - just the Dacia is even cheaper - £7290 - wow!

 

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201601190204966?page=1&postcode=ln95bf&quicksearch=true&model=sandero_stepway&radius=1500&onesearchad=new&sort=default&search-target=usedcars&make=dacia&logcode=p

Edited 25 January, 201610 yr by camelspyyder

Renault had to get the current Megane tested three times over 2014/15 to get it up to 5 star, having started down at 3 stars.

So maybe - Renault group are just less good at built in safety than VAG appear to be from NCAPs own test results.

To answer the OP, The Stepway seems to be much more car for much less money than the i10 - the exact same argument we used to choose the Ibiza over the i10 - just the Dacia is even cheaper - £7290 - wow!

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201601190204966?page=1&postcode=ln95bf&quicksearch=true&model=sandero_stepway&radius=1500&onesearchad=new&sort=default&search-target=usedcars&make=dacia&logcode=p

I wouldn't say that exactly. Renault was the first manufacturer to score the maximum 5 stars with the Laguna II that was so over engineered it is still one of the safe test cars out there. And let's not forget Richard Hammond crashing a MK 1 Megan at the 30mph all on to to prove how safe it was.

Audi were well switched on,  just do not have them tested,

but lead buyers to believe they were because some models had been.

This argument could rage on forever. If dacia are that bad why would Renault put their name to them. Plus they wouldn't be sold in Europe if they aren't safe. Lots of people slated Skoda when they went under the vw umbrella. It's the same principal as vw Skoda. Renault recycling technology passing the saving on. Plus its tried and tested tec. I would have one over a Hyundai simply because you get more for your money. Fair play to the dacia owners taking the plunge.

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The Dacia is a value car but built on Renault tech of 10 years ago.  Renault, along with Volvo, led the way in vehicle safety over the last decade or two.  Being both an engineer and having spent a year with Dept of Transport doing accident investigation I appreciate good safety features like airbags, ABS and ESP all which the Dacia has, unlike a few cars that still do not have ESP, best to avoid an accident rather than have one.

 

Yes it is safer to travel in a executive car like the Jaag, 2 tonnes, lots of safety features, but it probably costs 45p a mile to run rather than the Dacia's 22p a mile.  I do not know if it is being a motorcyclist and having driven cars with no ABS, airbags or ESP but I "feel" relatively safe compared to other standard cars.  

You hit a bridge or an arctic you are toast whatever car you are in. As I said before, Dacia is exactly what Skoda was 20 years ago, perfectly good tech at a bargain price and it makes me smile much of the time I am using it when I am doing 50 mpg, carrying a huge 5ft long TV unit for a friend, 4 adults and 200 kgs of luggage of to pick up a cruise ship. I could afford a new car two or three times this price but why bother or waste the money?      

Edited 25 January, 201610 yr by lol-lol

Maybe have a look in at a Dacia Dealership and do some tyre kicking yourself.

I was asked to inspect some early Duster's with the rust issue, and i would trust my loved ones in one,

as i did in my Kia Picanto.

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lol-lol, about the EuroNCAP stuff and rear crumple area and passengers safety area,

2009 and the Toyota iQ was awarded 5 Stars.

But that will be the 9 Air Bags, (11 in some models.)

It was a pity about the accident damaged ones i looked at, one very seriously T-Boned, and no air bags had deployed.

(But like Toyota claimed, only were necessary do they go off!!)

Funny you mention the lack of toyota air bag deployment - one my colleagues rear end shunted an A4 2weeks ago, came over a bridge into stopped traffic at a temp lights.. made shmitters of the front oassenger corner, wing, rad etc. Probably hit guy at about 35-40mph allowing for braking. No airbags went off - 2014 avensis..

Edit - the A4 drove away with a split rear bumper and crack light cluster. And a split front bumper from he shunted the 5series in front of him.. the bmw was fine other than scuffed bumper.

Edited 25 January, 201610 yr by mac11irl

Plenty Manufacturers had to do Airbag and Airbag Sensor Recalls including Skoda.

Lots more should maybe be done.

Then there are all those repaired Accident Damaged cars out there where new Airbags were never fitted, or investigation done when they never deployed. Insurance Companies do not bother, DfT / DVSA (VOSA) never bothered.

Maybe never checked unless there is a fatality.

Interesting table of deaths in make and models of car.  Almost ignore the EuroNCAP,  drive as big a car as you can afford it suggests.

 

 

Go for the i10 ive got the premium 1.2 and its a little cracker, dont bother with either of the small crappy 3 cylinder tripe from vag, go for a test drive in them all and leave the i10 till last and it will blow the competition out of the water, we can not fault our i10

Go for the i10 ive got the premium 1.2 and its a little cracker, dont bother with either of the small crappy 3 cylinder tripe from vag, go for a test drive in them all and leave the i10 till last and it will blow the competition out of the water, we can not fault our i10

 

 

12 second 0-60 (i10 1.2), 15s for the 1.0 i10, no thanks.

 

10.7 seconds for the Dacias TCEs is about as slow as I can accept for one and a car with some decent torque in the lower and mid range ie a turbocharger is key to that.

Edited 28 January, 201610 yr by lol-lol