Hydrogen would also compete for the available 02 if it was in the engine in large enough quantities to cause an effect. And if it was in large quantities that would put a significant load on the engine to generate.

 

I did consider one thing (shower thought) they are using a 'propitiatory electrolyte' solution. H2 comes from  water. Where is the rest of the stuff going? does only the H2 appear at the cathode and everything else at the anode. If so what is it depositing on the anode?

 

This'll go full circle soon enough. Same as fuel magnets, and magic fuel tablets. Always endorsed by some branch of the military to give it a veneer of mystery and always being covered up by forces that "don't want you to know".

Contact Applied Emissions I believe they are doing extensive testing with PEMS alongside a PEMS award-winning expert!  

And they share a building address with CGON, and an ex-director!

i don't know the address but i believe it is in Milton Keynes...Correct the former Director of Cgon is the owner along with Kevin Tully (PEMS) Guy. Significant investment wouldn't you say...

Independent testing then! I think I’m going back to selling golden eggs. 

 

@Gibx33 are you really this naive or are some how linked?

Why wouldn't you test with industry approved equipment and expert people in the field? You would be shocked at the cost! try and book in a PEMS test with a company...i believe there is a 2-year waiting list...

Why would someone connected with a dubious product suddenly decide to set up a testing company and test said product, while running that business out of the same offices? Surely (given the dubious nature of the device and the many spurious claims it has behind it) you'd look for a fully independent and reputable firm to test, and disprove the claims made by the many nay sayers. Only an idiot would set up his own related business and test it with the intention of proving himself correct. The fact that he resigned and is no longer connected with cgon (in a directors capacity) simply means it was thought perhaps that would be the best way to appear to be independent. I've no doubt personally that despite no longer being a director he'll still have a large financial investment in cgon.

 

As the adage goes, if you look hard enough, eventually you'll find someone willing to tell you what you want to hear.

Unless it’s independent testing then it’s worthless. Testing by a company who’s director, Simon Johnson, is still a majority shareholder  (91,800 Ordinary A shares out of 180,000) in Cgon, the company who’s product they’re testing, is far from independent. 

 

BTW Simon Johnson is also the majority shareholder (1 Ordinary Share out of 1) in Applied Emmisions. 

 

Thank you for confirming you’re naive. 

Edited 22 August, 20187 yr by CWARD

6 minutes ago, Rustynuts said:

Why would someone connected with a dubious product suddenly decide to set up a testing company and test said product, while running that business out of the same offices? Surely (given the dubious nature of the device and the many spurious claims it has behind it) you'd look for a fully independent and reputable firm to test, and disprove the claims made by the many nay sayers. Only an idiot would set up his own related business and test it with the intention of proving himself correct. The fact that he resigned and is no longer connected with cgon (in a directors capacity) simply means it was thought perhaps that would be the best way to appear to be independent. I've no doubt personally that despite no longer being a director he'll still have a large financial investment in cgon.

 

As the adage goes, if you look hard enough, eventually you'll find someone willing to tell you what you want to hear.

To True but why would you spend millions on an elaborate scam! makes no sense. They have got rid of all the founding Directors seems strange...

Edited 22 August, 20187 yr by Gibx33

Once the money's invested then the only way to remove funds from the company back into your pocket is for the company to be successful and generate money. Inevitably, that involves further investment and finding ways to make the company produce value. If you can lie about anything and make money then that's what people do (car salesmen, estate agents, company directors, there's a big list...).

Where have the millions been spent as nothing in the accounts of Cgon shows any such amounts other than loans that have not been reinvested. 

Applied Emmisions is too new to have filed accounts and the share issue is just £1. Again no evidence of spending millions. 

They are obviously keeping the assets out of Cgon for some reason...

Why?

Independent testing is not sufficient by itself when the test methods are not universally accepted. It needs to start a peer reviewed research paper in an appropriate journal. It would not get accepted if it was simply rubbish, and would get torn to pieces if the methods and conclusions were dubious.

4 minutes ago, CWARD said:

Why?

Probably less exposure to the investor  

1 minute ago, andythechief said:

It needs to start a peer reviewed research paper in an appropriate journal. It would not get accepted if it was simply rubbish, and would get torn to pieces if the methods and conclusions were dubious.

Do you never wonder why none of the products that make similar claims of better mpg and/or lower emissions have had proper scientific papers (as you suggest) published?

 

Surely the lack of independent quality peer reviewed data says all that we need to know?

2 minutes ago, andythechief said:

Independent testing is not sufficient by itself when the test methods are not universally accepted. It needs to start a peer reviewed research paper in an appropriate journal. It would not get accepted if it was simply rubbish, and would get torn to pieces if the methods and conclusions were dubious.

I wonder if there would be a University that would study it for FREE...As i agree it needs it

 

Just now, Gibx33 said:

Probably less exposure to the investor  

If they are confident in claims made for their product they would have nothing to fear...

You all must understand what PEMS is, and who uses it and who stands by the results..

Cgon is insolvent to the tune of £108k. An investment of £1m would correct that position. 

R&D and patent never reached over £62k with tangible assets just short of £124k is no where near a £1m. If Cgon claim they have invested millions then it’s a lie. 

If Applied Emmisions are saying they’ve invested millions we will have to wait and see but doubt it will materialise either. 

4 minutes ago, Gibx33 said:

Probably less exposure to the investor  

 

That is a contradiction of the term investor. 

2 minutes ago, CWARD said:

Cgon is insolvent to the tune of £108k. An investment of £1m would correct that position. 

R&D and patent never reached over £62k with tangible assets just short of £124k is no where near a £1m. If Cgon claim they have invested millions then it’s a lie. 

If Applied Emmisions are saying they’ve invested millions we will have to wait and see but doubt it will materialise either. 

You would be surprised...

 

No, I won’t be surprised.  Come July 2019 the accounts will show sweet FA and you’ll still be talking rubbish. 

If you've invested in Cgon, then cut your losses and write it off to experience. 

3 minutes ago, CWARD said:

No, I won’t be surprised.  Come July 2019 the accounts will show sweet FA and you’ll still be talking rubbish. 

If you've invested in Cgon, then cut your losses and write it off to experience. 

Can i ask what experience have you had in investing in companies? So i can make sure your advice is sound...

Edited 22 August, 20187 yr by Gibx33

..So, I liked the idea so much,  I designed and built myself one. Took just over a year. Added a little helium (Can't divulge the quantity as otherwise I will be ripped off) To the equation, just to bypass any copyright infringement and wow!  (up to) 60% cleaner, (up to) 30% better fuel economy and the added helium means I can now (Potentially) Float over the top of those long motorway traffic jams. 

 

I know a local mechanic who is going to try it out in his own van soon so you can trust and believe him.  He does, of course, require a larger dosage of helium as his van weighs considerably more then my trial car (Not, I hasten to add, my Fabia but an old 1963 Ford Anglia 105E). 

 

The biggest benefit of the whole system is now, I can take the car, where often, I used to catch a train from Kings Cross Station, platform 9 & 3/4.

 

Better than just Pottering around!

 

Edited 22 August, 20187 yr by mrgf