On 03/03/2019 at 23:12, Ryeman said:

Model Y news -

https://electrek.co/2019/03/03/tesla-model-y-unveiling/

Pointless hype. Won't be in the UK for 3 years. I won't be waiting for one of those.

48 minutes ago, Luckypants said:

Pointless hype. Won't be in the UK for 3 years. I won't be waiting for one of those.

I won’t be in the EV market until the opportunist gouging is long gone; at least 3 - 5 years.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/tesla/model-3/106152/entry-level-35000-tesla-model-3-pulled-from-sale-online

 

Promising longevity -

https://electrek.co/2019/04/13/tesla-model-3-longevity-claims-elon-musk/

Tesla performance testing -

https://electrek.co/2019/04/15/tesla-model-3-performance-upgrades-tested-pro-driver/

https://electrek.co/2019/04/20/tesla-model-3-new-inventory-immediate-delivery/

 

and

 

https://electrek.co/2019/04/20/tesla-roadster-new-acceleration-video/

UK supply news -

https://electrek.co/2019/04/26/tesla-model-3-rhd-launch-uk/

 

So they say -

https://thedriven.io/2019/04/29/model-3-australia-order-page-live-soon-tesla-boosts-referral-program/

 

(re the performance figure quoted, it might be a dangerous time to be a pedestrian)

Edited 29 April, 20197 yr by Ryeman

 

A comparison between EV's (and ICE) driving 500 miles:

https://www.speakev.com/threads/road-trips-comparing-long-range-evs.138280/

 

ICE 8h04m + 2x20min breaks = 8h44m

Tesla Model 3 LR AWD 8h47m = +3mins
Tesla Model 3 P .......... 9h = +16mins
Tesla Model 3 SR+ ...... 9h22m = +38mins
Tesla Model S 85 ........ 9h30m = +46mins
Tesla Model X 90D ...... 9h43m = +59mins
Hyundai Kona 64 ........ 10h21m = +1h37mins
Kia Niro 64 ................. 10h23m = +1h39mins
Hyundai Ioniq 38 ........ 10h25m = +1h41mins
Jaguar iPace .............. 11h07m = +2h23mins
Nissan Leaf 40 ........... 11h16m = +2h32mins
Audi e-tron .................. 11h49m = +3h6mins

 

It's a shame people don't put the two and two together: you can't drive long distances without the charging network. So comparing likes of I-Pace and E-Tron against any similarly priced Tesla would make the latter great value.

I'd rather have Model 3 SR+ with smaller battery at 240 miles range, rather than Kona 64kWh at 285 miles. When will car manufacturers get it, putting bigger and bigger battery into cars is counter-intuitive and undermines the point of EV.

2 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

When will car manufacturers get it, putting bigger and bigger battery into cars is counter-intuitive and undermines the point of EV.

 

The vast majority of people only ever charge at home, so your theory does hold water. 

@Gizmo

Where did you get that little gem from? 

 Is there some statistics on Home Charging over public / workplace charging?

Why is the Ioniq so efficient?.

Purely from talking to people. 

 

The only time they use a public charger is when travelling further than the car can do one one charge (obviously). 

 

As range increases then the need for them to use a public charger will decrease.  

 

In 6k miles we have ‘needed’ to use a public charger twice, once when I picked the car up and dropped it off to the detailer (so I could guarantee getting home a week later) 

the 2nd time was purely down to range anxiety (it should of just about made it home)

 

Now if the car had a bigger battery and therefore a 200 mile range rather than the 150 miles it has, both journeys would have been easily doable  without a top up. 

Maybe you are talking to people that have Home Chargers then. 

Maybe people in the South, but as for any actuality in fact that the majority of EV users doing home charging then who knows.

Maybe there are those that get a EV getting home chargers if they can.

There are lots of EV users driving cars that are not theirs, but cars for work use, council or fleet owned.

 

http://gov.scot/publications/foi-19-00181

http://zap-map.com/statistics

 

Edited 30 April, 20197 yr by Skoffski

Obviously any company owned vehicle which will generally do higher miles will use more public chargers as well as the charger at work. 

 

If if you do not have a home or work charger then I personally wouldn’t entertain an EV as they are too much of a compromise then. 

1 hour ago, Gizmo said:

 

The vast majority of people only ever charge at home, so your theory does hold water. 

Well, for my 10k annual mileage, 60 miles per day commute, I feel even the 24kWh Nissan Leaf is good enough. Hence I feel 40kWh is good enough for vast majority of people. I don't see any need to fit bigger and bigger battery. Only improvement to charging infrastructure is needed.

 

But I'm looking for a car that replaces my Skoda Octavia diesel. A car that must be able to easily drive to Scotland with family in the back. Only Tesla is able to fill that due to current public charging infrastructure is so bad for other CCS cars.  (mainly due to Ecotricity EH failing chargers and Chargemaster's requirement for subscription)

 

1 hour ago, Ryeman said:

Why is the Ioniq so efficient?.

High speed efficiency + fast charging => able to cover more miles than bigger battery less efficient cars with similar charging speed.

 

Efficiency is key. Model 3 and Ioniq have similar efficiency. Both smaller battery version are able to keep up to bigger packs within their charging speed.

@Gizmo

I am waiting on my New EV.

Not having a Home Charger & don't have a work place,

but not an issue as there are at least 16 chargers currently within 1.5 miles of home, nearest 8 are .5 miles away,

and chargers aplenty where i go with my vehicles, many of those Free Charging.

(Folding electric bike in the car for when car is charging... Home charged and charger carried with the bike.)

Edited 30 April, 20197 yr by Skoffski

Here you go the order configuration is open and for all those that handed over £1k deposit nearly 2 years ago you get no special favours, It says I can order today and have delivery June

 

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/model3/design#battery

 

Edited 1 May, 20197 yr by Defenderben

Unfortunately JUST over the luxury tax bracket. :(

The cheapest model is £38050 after £3500 PiCG, which means over £40k before the grant, they use the latter figure for luxury tax.

 

But at £10k down and £560pm hire purchase for SR+ with midnight silver paint, I'm quite tempted...... That's up to £4000 I'll have to find somewhere after selling Octavia, then £560pm for 5 years to own the car outright. I'll put over 100k miles on it over 8-10 years before consider selling it, That's £8k on fuel saving alone, 2p per mile compared to 10p per mile for fuel, compared to 50+mpg Skoda diesel.  2p per mile is based on Leaf, we know Model 3 is more efficient.

 

So spend £43k to buy the car with HP interest, but after fuel saving it'd be £35k. With potentially high resale value thanks to always updating firmware and the changing public perception towards EV.

 

Also low maintenance, Tesla now doesn't require regular servicing to be eligible for warranty repairs. I'll just take it to a standard garage for MOT-like checks every year for an hour's fee.

Edited 1 May, 20197 yr by wyx087

29 minutes ago, Defenderben said:

Here you go the order configuration is open and for all those that handed over £1k deposit nearly 2 years ago you get no special favours, It says I can order today and have delivery June

 

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/model3/design#battery

 

 

They all currently also come in over £40k as the grant has already been deducted, meaning there is also an additional £1,550 ‘luxury car tax’ to go on top. 

Ironic that 10 years road tax on my 336bhp Octavia will cost £1,460 yet an electric car road tax is £1,550.

@shyVRS245

If it was a 'road tax' then as it should be, as EV's use roads to drive and park on.

But it is a Vehicle Excise Duty. 

It was a joke when it was £0 or £20, £30 on supposedly low emissions Petrols & Diesels that used about as much fuel as those with higher VED.

 

Tax cars by length and weight so space taken up on the roads, and then have the Congestion charge with ANPR that can tell the Factory Kerb Weight and 

how much load the car has, passengers / load carried as it crosses road sensors.

 

There are too many big fat EV's in City Centres running about with just a driver, or even parked up / charging up.

 

Aston Martin did the £35,000 Cygnet (Toyota iQ) as a Low Emissions Average cheat for Aston Martin so maybe TESLA could just do a crazy price but luxury small City Car with the Fiat / Chrysler tie up they have as a cheat.

 

VW really should be getting on with Polo sized EV's as well as Golf sized.

Skoda Fabia sized. 

Turn out an EV estate in that sort of smaller footprint as well as a Citigo sized EV.

 

 

Edited 1 May, 20197 yr by Skoffski

Having just returned from the madness that is Nairobi traffic (saw a guy ran over by a lorry using the pavement) where they at least lead the UK by adding road tax to fuel so those that need/buy fuel pay to use the roads. Insurance is still mandatory and police have ANPR camera's to check all major roads into the city. Currently diesel is cheaper at 102ksh (0.78pence per litre) and petrol at 106ksh (0.81pence per litre).

52 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

102ksh (0.78pence per litre) and petrol at 106ksh (0.81pence per litre)

Has your decimal point slipped in the Sterling figures there?