Which gearboxes, both manuals or DSG's?

Which gearboxes, both manuals or DSG's?

 

both DSG, Cupra 3-door 1358kg, Clubsport 5-door 1402kg

Is that the weights as the magazine weighed them ready to drive,

or did they quote the VW kerb weight figures.

Interesting to note that the Seat is still the fastest of the VAG cars. I really do wonder what the 3dr "S" Clubsport would do around the track for comparison!

 

As for the brakes I know the 3dr only "S" get two piece 340mm discs, special track pads & the Audi TT wishbone air flaps for better cooling, but can't pin down exactly what the 5dr non "S" gets.

Is that the weights as the magazine weighed them ready to drive,

or did they quote the VW kerb weight figures.

 

I guess it's what they weighed because according to VW and SEAT curb weight figures it should be: 1395kg for the 3-d Cupra DSG and 1425 for the 5-d Clubsport DSG (taken directly from the brochures)  but I can't read German...

 

 

Interesting to note that the Seat is still the fastest of the VAG cars. I really do wonder what the 3dr "S" Clubsport would do around the track for comparison!

 

As for the brakes I know the 3dr only "S" get two piece 340mm discs, special track pads & the Audi TT wishbone air flaps for better cooling, but can't pin down exactly what the 5dr non "S" gets.

 

 

But is it? I mean overall as a car obviously it is but my point is we have a 3-door Cupra against the 5-door Clubsport, (probably minor difference but still), with better brakes, and the Clubsport down on power. I would honestly expect more than a second's difference in one lap of 1:50. To me it seems the Clubsport's suspension makes up for a big part of the power and brakes deficit. Maybe a 5-door Cupra non-Sub8 against a 5-door Clubsport on standard tyres could provide the answer. 

 

BTW brake ducts are the same in both Clubsport variants, they're integrated in the front bumper next to the honeycomb grille.

Edited 19 June, 20169 yr by newbie69

I have watched and read where a Seat Leon Cupra 280 ST DSG is faster on the Ring and tracks than a lighter Seat Leon 280 ST DSG,

and from having driven both i preferred the more planted and stable estate.

(better balanced as it seemed with the stronger rear springs.)

 

If the GTI Clubsport does the business then that is good & lightness is good if they are when fueled up the same.

How they are on road tyres will interest many that are using them as daily and family transport.

Edited 19 June, 20169 yr by GoneOffSKi

 

BTW brake ducts are the same in both Clubsport variants, they're integrated in the front bumper next to the honeycomb grille.

 

 

Bloody windows EDGE aarrgghh....

 

Back OT...I am talking about the air flow directing flaps fixed to the leading edge of the lower front wishbone on the Audi TTRS.....not the front bumper or grills....

 

http://www.ttforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=271234&p=2273553.....

 

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?6937227-HYDE16-Reviews-Audi-TT-RS-Brake-Scoops

Edited 19 June, 20169 yr by fabdavrav

Ok, now I see. But I haven't come across any thread/article mentioning these being on the S, you got a link?

 

On a second thought, since the air inlets on the Clubsport are on the front bumper and create a direct air path to the discs, would you still need air flaps?  Can't find a clear photo of the mask to have a better look. Or maybe they are just on both of them? When I read about the differences between standard and S there was no mention of anything relating to the brake ducts.

Edited 19 June, 20169 yr by newbie69

Ok, now I see. But I haven't come across any thread/article mentioning these being on the S, you got a link?

 

On a second thought, since the air inlets on the Clubsport are on the front bumper and create a direct air path to the discs, would you still need air flaps?  Can't find a clear photo of the mask to have a better look. Or maybe they are just on both of them? When I read about the differences between standard and S there was no mention of anything relating to the brake ducts.

 

Even on my lowly MK7 Golf you get air directed into the wheel arch as per the "R" Golf from under the bumper NACA duct, but this air flow passes straight over the wishbone & out under the rear of the wheel arch to go under the cars body. The flaps are at 90deg to this air flow & force it into the area between the caliper & hub which is where the internal brake disc vents start.

 

Ihad read about extra brake cooling in an article for the "S" and as they use the aluminium Audi front wishbones & subframe it would make sense to use these as well..

 

http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showpost.php?p=161538&postcount=90

 

Pacific Germans build thread on a GTI. If you see the very top right of the picture the thin edge of undertray/bumper with main air entry duct into wheel arch as per all MK7 Golf

Think i would be buying a focus RS. Its exactly the same price.

Even on my lowly MK7 Golf you get air directed into the wheel arch as per the "R" Golf from under the bumper NACA duct, but this air flow passes straight over the wishbone & out under the rear of the wheel arch to go under the cars body. The flaps are at 90deg to this air flow & force it into the area between the caliper & hub which is where the internal brake disc vents start.

 

Ihad read about extra brake cooling in an article for the "S" and as they use the aluminium Audi front wishbones & subframe it would make sense to use these as well..

 

http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showpost.php?p=161538&postcount=90

 

Pacific Germans build thread on a GTI. If you see the very top right of the picture the thin edge of undertray/bumper with main air entry duct into wheel arch as per all MK7 Golf

 

Yes. In every other car that there is no direct front air path you would need to direct it there so flaps would generally make sense. But if you have a front opening leading directly to the discs I'd imagine it's not necessary? All the rest of the Golfs have DRLs in place of the Clubsport's ducts so I can see the need 

 

Anyway, as I've read almost every bit of info on both the Clubsport and the S, I realised a lot of what was originally said about the Clubsport was then repeated when the S came out, even for parts that were totally the same, without specifying if it was "S-exclusive" or "Clubsport-exclusive" which made it harder to tell which had what. There is a nice very detailed presentation of the S on another forum (VW official) and there it is very clear which parts are unique to the S and which ones are common to all Clubsports. Nothing about different air flaps but can always check in the future.

Think i would be buying a focus RS. Its exactly the same price.

 

Same price (in some markets maybe) but for me it was offering a lot less overall. In fact in Sweden it is nowhere near the same price as a Clubsport, the spec I had created was a whole 5K more expensive. But price was not the reason I didn't go for it. I would be ok spending another 3-5K for the perfect car that would have ticked all my boxes if I could find it. The Focus I imagine would have won (that's my estimation from what I read at least) in terms of driving fun because of the clever AWD even though I don't need AWD where I live. But that would be as much as its advantages would go.

 

The thing is I was after a daily driver, grand tourer and track-capable car at the same time. Ride refinement, quality interior, in-car entertainment options (or luxuries as I like to call them), spaces and practicality were as important as driving fun and the Focus as much as a nice car it must be to drive fell short on all of these areas. I just couldn't fault the cabin quality of the Golf and the sport touches on the Clubsport just took it to a different level. The interior design of the Ford on the other hand looked uninspiring and too ordinary to say the least. Not to mention that for a car that is offered as a 5-door, the boot was a total joke: 260lt that's smaller than my previous Fabia, it just wouldn't work for us. 

 

Even looks-wise I wasn't too sure about the Focus. The back of it looks dated and at the same time is screaming "rally", almost similar to an Evo and I didn't want that. The looks of the Clubsport I just loved from the moment I saw the first photo. Just the right balance of sportiness and classy Golf look for my like so, it was a rather easy choice in the end.

Edited 19 June, 20169 yr by newbie69

agree with the boot.. but interior not so sure, i think the Rs looks better:

 

golf:

focus:

 

Not to sure what equipment you get on the clubsport thats not on the Rs?

http://www.parkers.co.uk/ford/focus/rs/review/features-safety-and-equipment/

 

I think the Electric blue looks in your face, but the Grey is nice and the black and white colours look under stated.

Edited 19 June, 20169 yr by FromTheDarkness

Really? Ok I understand looks are subjective and all but I doubt anyone claims the Focus wins any prizes for its interior and those pictures only make this clearer. I found the Ford's interior as dull and cheap as it can get for a 35-40K car. Just endless average black plastic everywhere, looks like a Fiesta or standard Focus. The Clubsport has alcantara and leather on the door trims, while the rest is either glossy piano black (on the main console) or nice soft plastics, they don't even come close in terms of materials and cabin feel/quality in my eyes. I was actually after such a cabin for my next car so it would be hard to settle with the Focus's uninspiring interior.

 

Another thing about the Golf was that both the GTI and the R I drove, felt like the entire dashboard was carved on a single piece, no rattles, creaks etc. very solid feel. My experience from a colleague's Focus 1.6 was nowhere near that feeling.  Plus the entire dash design with the vertical vents (looks like alien's eyes) and the cd player at such a central place on the console (who uses CD's in 2016?) looks like it belong to at least a 5 year old car.

 

If you enlarge the photos you'll see what I'm talking about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In terms of equipment and being someone that enjoys to listen to my music properly, I liked the fact that I could finally get a great high fidelity car system like the extra Dynaudio system on the Golf. Apart from the performance of the system the build quality and acoustics of the cabin contribute to that a lot. I did some music testing as well and it's like you're in a small studio.  Being a bit of a tech-freak also I found the Discover Pro system was a charm. Great screen, resolution and response and quite smartly designed. And the Car-net services just make the experience better.

 

Forgot the fact that I just love the DSG both in terms of comfort and performance and it would be very difficult into talking me into another manual transmission ever again.

Edited 20 June, 20169 yr by newbie69

So when is your Clubsport due for delivery?

So by the original schedule, I should have received it last week. But turned out that at some point during the manufacturing (all?) Clubsports have to move from one plant (mine was Wolfsburg) to another for fitting of some items (didn't understand which ones) or some process that can't be/isn't part of the standard production line, then back to Wolfsburg for the completion of the manufacturing. That was the dealer's explanation for the added delay and that means around 2-3 weeks of extra building time so I estimate around end of July/beginning of August...

 

It's a MY2017 though for sure, cross-checked the VIN number. That means it gets the new frameless dimming mirror (that's kind of cool) and maybe other minor stuff that come with 16>17 changes.

 

So by the original schedule, I should have received it last week. But turned out that at some point during the manufacturing (all?) Clubsports have to move from one plant (mine was Wolfsburg) to another for fitting of some items (didn't understand which ones) or some process that can't be/isn't part of the standard production line, then back to Wolfsburg for the completion of the manufacturing. That was the dealer's explanation for the added delay and that means around 2-3 weeks of extra building time so I estimate around end of July/beginning of August...

 

It's a MY2017 though for sure, cross-checked the VIN number. That means it gets the new frameless dimming mirror (that's kind of cool) and maybe other minor stuff that come with 16>17 changes.

 

Hope it's in your hands soon, as it will be interesting to read your early reviews

I sure hope the same, the anticipation is becoming greater as I'm approaching the supposed delivery date... "Problem" is that we're soon off on vacation so the pick up might have to wait for our return in the end...

 

One thing I can say though, I've tried several VW forums all around the globe, I can't see any one of them as my future "home" regarding the Clubsport's ownership. And it's not because I'm not such an old member there as I'm here, it's just that there's nowhere near the Briskoda overall attitude and forum level, at least where I tried. Especially the US ones like Vortex and GolfMK7 are too big, too cold, and hence too much like commenting on a Youtube video instead of actually being in a forum. Most people are there to troll or flame...

 

Sooo, I think once I have car I'll probably open a new dedicated thread to the Clubsport and my ownership experience as this one has more than served its purpose and it's too big already for any useful info to be easily retrieved, especially future info that will be added about the car 

Edited 17 July, 20169 yr by newbie69

AutoExpress group test, Leon 290, Civic Type R and the Clubsport: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/96456/vw-golf-gti-clubsport-vs-seat-leon-cupra-290-vs-honda-civic-type-r

AutoExpress group test, Leon 290, Civic Type R and the Clubsport: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/96456/vw-golf-gti-clubsport-vs-seat-leon-cupra-290-vs-honda-civic-type-r

Interesting ,I'm sure newbie69 will have a few words to say.

Interesting ,I'm sure newbie69 will have a few words to say.

 

Two actually: "monumental BS" 

 

Does that mag or website make a profit with such "articles"? This wasn't even a test, an advertisement poster is more thorough than that. They jumped to the verdict right after mentioning the manufacturer's data and figures, none of their own findings. I doubt they even got out of the office before writing this piece up.

 

Sorry but I can't take anything of what they say seriously. Especially when every other review and every owner or driver that I've read or talked to proves them so wrong both in terms of track performance: a standard Clubsport has actually been faster than the Type-R in a few tracks already. Yes faster than the car "it can't hold a candle to". Yet, the geniuses of AE managed to lap a 48" track, 2.5" slower in the CS, ok I think we all got the point...   Same for usability: everybody just says how much of a daily driver it remains despite the sharpening of the chassis and how comfortably it travels in the Autobahn. Also, it has the biggest boot in the hot-hatch class (bigger than an S3 or R) and good spaces inside (same as the SEAT) and of-course the adaptive suspension. Yet there's no mention of that but the Type-R is actually called practical  :clap:  LMFAO

 

 

And did you notice how conveniently they avoided going into any interior, build quality or look comparison? Hmm, the objectivity is strong in this one...

 

But yes, it can be that eeeeverybody's wrong but Autoexpress (not really). I guess I'll find out beginning of September as the extra delay meant it couldn't be collected before vacation.

Edited 24 July, 20169 yr by newbie69

Auto Express is usually VW's greatest fanboy next to Autocar, always breaking stories with the 'Insiders' that are really the VW Group Spin Doctors and media department. Little whispers right out of the factory.

 

So big upping the Seat divisions car is not that surprising as sales there are pretty rubbish.

Plenty column inches were given to the yet to get to customers next biggest thing the GTI Clubsport.

At least there are choices of Hot Hatches now in many flavours and some manufacturers offering different gearboxes.

 

Long may Auto Express & Autocar get advertising from the Volkswagen Group and keep total independence and 

truthful testing, well as honest as they can be. ... 

Like VW, beyond reproach and if ever an untruthful word passes their lips, strike them down dead.

Edited 25 July, 20169 yr by GoneOffSKi

Auto Express is usually VW's greatest fanboy next to Autocar, always breaking stories with the 'Insiders' that are really the VW Group Spin Doctors and media department. Little whispers right out of the factory.

 

So big upping the Seat divisions car is not that surprising as sales there are pretty rubbish.

Plenty column inches were given to the yet to get to customers next biggest thing the GTI Clubsport.

At least there are choices of Hot Hatches now in many flavours and some manufacturers offering different gearboxes.

 

Long may Auto Express & Autocar get advertising from the Volkswagen Group and keep total independence and 

truthful testing, well as honest as they can be. ... 

Like VW, beyond reproach and if ever an untruthful word passes their lips, strike them down dead.

 

I didn't know at all what their history is/was but what you say could offer a good explanation I think on all that unsupported hate/ false claims about the CS in a different ways:  Either they could want to help SEAT sales which in general are not doing so good anywhere or if they'd like to have an argument about how they don't always favor VAG cars, they'd be looking to bash a car that's not really important for any market (VW are not exactly basing their Golf series profits on the Clubsport's sales) so in that sense it makes for a great candidate. It's the only thing I can think of to understand how they can be so far off other reviews and clearly in an attempt to turn buyers to other choices. Anyway I could not care less I think...

Volkswagen Golf GTI Clubsport S review - hottest Golf a UK sell-out

Dan Prosser

3 Aug 2016

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We find out what it's like to drive the most powerful GTI ever

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The Golf GTI Clubsport S is the fastest front-wheel drive production car around the Nurburgring. Honda, Seat and Renault have been squabbling over that particular honour for the past year or so, but by recording a 7min 49.21secs lap in April Volkswagen usurped them all, bettering Honda’s Civic Type R by 1.4 seconds.

The Clubsport S will be limited to 400 units, with 150 right-hand drive cars set to come to the UK. But if you haven't got your name down already you're out of luck, as every one of those UK-allocated cars has been sold out at its £33,995 list price. Deliveries are set to begin in early October.

The Clubsport S becomes the fastest and most exclusive model in an extensive line up of high-performance, front-wheel drive Golfs. The Golf GTI is the entry-level version, followed by the GTI Performance and the GTI Clubsport Edition 40, the model that marks 40 years of VW’s hot hatch and that forms the basis for the Clubsport S.

Engine, transmission and 0-60 time

https://youtu.be/zLB5xwtVDl0

twenty days to delivery...