Without the need to comment on your position on parenting and parent parking.

I would say it's certainly not the place to avoid car park dings, far more likely to encounter rogue kids, flung doors, trolleys, prams and the like. Moreso if you encounter a sleep deprived parent with multiple kids, and a full shop to do or having just completed.

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I'm sure a parent with a no sense of danger toddler will be along shortly to comment.....

Not sure about that and I have four, I think its the kids who don't give a **** which is to be expected because they are kids and need to learn. I do care more about my kids then a car but I get out first (child lock ) and hold the door so they can't slam it into anything and I'm constantly telling them to watch other people cars.  

 

That's exactly the point (with regards to kids)... they do need to learn, but hopefully of course not at the expense of someone else's cherished vehicle!

 

Your parenting skills (and I obviously I don't know you, but from what you have written) are obviously way above the norm IMHO, and you have values  :clap: so I applaud you for that - and your kids will likely inherit those values... we just need more people who feel and act the same, and that's something that's sadly in decline in today's society (as many others posting on this topic have mentioned).

 

That aside... it's not just kids of course (so not trying to single them out as the only culprits) as there are many instances where the parents are just as bad and that doesn't help in the education of respect for other peoples properties... but it's also the old banger driver, the teenagers, the van load of migrant workers (and that's not a racist comment) that turn up in the battered Transit/LDV minibus on a Friday (generally when they know the 'reduced to clear' stuff has been down-priced as their basic wage doesn't cover any extravagances)... so anyone with kids, don't get offended thinking I've got something against you... just the 'Mother and Child' concession!

 

Spread the teaching!

 

Without the need to comment on your position on parenting and parent parking.

I would say it's certainly not the place to avoid car park dings, far more likely to encounter rogue kids, flung doors, trolleys, prams and the like. Moreso if you encounter a sleep deprived parent with multiple kids, and a full shop to do or having just completed.

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I wholly agreed, but the odds at least with a bit more door flinging space can be slightly better!

I wholly agreed, but the odds at least with a bit more door flinging space can be slightly better!

Perhaps.

Kids seats are not particularly easy to get kids into or out of even with the door fully open, especially babies. So doors will be open as wide as possible.

Kids have very little road awareness, for a substantial period, one would expect more caution in a parent/child area. Trolleys with kids in are more likely to move about, especially with tired or bored kids tantruming.

Personally, when my kids were younger, with less road sense then I was happy to use those bays - they made things safer and a little easier. As I take pride in my car, whether a banger, or new and am conscious of others, I was glad of the extra room to manoeuvre prams, and kids, baby seats etc as needed. As they wanted to learn to get in and out, glad they could misjudge the door and the chance of it screwing someone else's car was reduced. As my kids get older, have more road sense and can open a door with control, I don't use them.

I have never parked in them without kids in the car, as I would never park in a disabled space without having acquired a badge. I hope to never feel as if I can't walk an extra 10/20/30 yards to the shop, or that I would inconvenience someone else who needed those bays.

That said you get the same types of idiots regardless of the type of bay, there are always people who don't give a monkeys about anyone else, or their property, their circumstances.

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Nookiebear wrote:

I personally find people with kids have without doubt the least respect for other people's property as the only thing they are concerned about is their kids, and this is not my cross to bear in any, way shape or form.

****. Is all I can say to that comment.

I have two children and both of them have been brought up to respect other people and their property. What gives you the right to tarnish everyone with the same brush when you don't even know them.

The parent and child spaces are there to allow enough room for the parents to get the young children in and out of the car whilst they are in the carry seat preventing them from hitting another car. I stopped using parent and child spaces when my children could get in and out of the car without me lifting them.

I hope and pray that by some means your "pride and joy" gets damaged whilst parked in a parent and child space just because of your arrogance on the subject

Edited 24 April, 201610 yr by MR99VXR

I think singling out specific groups of people is a little silly, simply because you'd be here all day, and no one group is to blame more than the other. At the same time, so is 'hoping and praying' that someone else's property get's damaged simply because they hold a point of view you find unpleasant. It would be more beneficial to point out that, in actual fact, parking in a parent & child space will increase the likely hood of receiving damage to your vehicle, because there will be more children/people/trolleys/puchchairs etc. around that area of the car park than anywhere else

 

Yes, I agree the majority of parents couldn't give a flying **** if their spawn bashes something into someone else's property, and will even go to great lengths to deny any wrongdoing on their or their child's part, regardless of any witness'. But, they also couldn't care less if they themselves cause the damage. That's the way the majority of society is now, with child or without; these people have/had that same mindset prior to having children, and will continue it afterwards. That same arrogance, ignorance, disrespect and selfishness will then be passed on to their children.

 

I was personally taught to respect other peoples property when I was younger, not specifically cars, but everything; and it really riles me (amongst many other things about our society) when I see/hear other people not being respectful and/or not passing it onto those whom they are supposed to be guiding through life. But then that mentality is also repeated in almost all situations now. 

 

As for parent and child spaces, I have no personal issue with them (moreover, I couldn't care less, better things to worry about), although the reason they must be closest to the destination escapes me slightly. However the further away they keep people away from my car (which will usually be at the opposite "quiet" end, all on it's own (hopefully)) the better.

Nookiebear wrote:

I personally find people with kids have without doubt the least respect for other people's property as the only thing they are concerned about is their kids, and this is not my cross to bear in any, way shape or form.

****. Is all I can say to that comment.

I have two children and both of them have been brought up to respect other people and their property. What gives you the right to tarnish everyone with the same brush when you don't even know them.

The parent and child spaces are there to allow enough room for the parents to get the young children in and out of the car whilst they are in the carry seat preventing them from hitting another car. I stopped using parent and child spaces when my children could get in and out of the car without me lifting them.

I hope and pray that by some means your "pride and joy" gets damaged whilst parked in a parent and child space just because of your arrogance on the subject

 

Unfortunately, attempting to refer to any specific group (people with children in this case), whether that group contains in this instance either responsible or irresponsible parents, is always going to appear to be 'tarnishing everyone with the same brush'... so please refer to my following post (no. 78) in this respect.

 

Getting into or out of any car in a typical parking space (worse of course if it's the back seat) is difficult whether it's a carry seat or a full grown 6 foot plus adult you're trying to manoeuvre... so again the kids and all the inconvenience that may accompany them all the way through to adulthood is a life choice made by the parent(s) and a responsibility for them to bear, difficult or otherwise, as life is. Overweight people (excluding those overweight for genuine medical reasons) are generally such because of their life choice, they like to eat a lot and exercise little... and please let's not start going off on one over this... but they don't get 'special' parking spaces or believe they have some right to a concession (unless they hold a disabled badge) and have to get in and out of their cars in normal spaces just like everyone else. 

 

I am of course aware that some parents hold strong values and do everything they can to instill these into their offspring, and in a continually deteriorating society in which people seem to be becoming less responsible for even the most basic of their actions (usually due of course to 'extenuating' circumstances), I'm very glad of it, and to hear when people are quick to establish that they do in fact hold these values and have no wish to be included as part of a particular (maligned) group... so again, if you have brought your kids up to 'respect other people and their property', then my comments will not apply to you and you should not feel 'offended'.

 

The fact, however, that you 'hope and pray' that by some means my "pride and joy" gets damaged whilst parked in a parent and child space just because of my arrogance (i.e. opinion) on the subject, does lead me to question as to your method of teaching 'respect' for 'other people and their property'...

 

I rest my case  :think:.

Bl**dy hell! I wasn't expecting to start WWIII with regards to parking spaces.

There will always be differences in people's moral/ethical ways and the standards they uphold. As an officer in the British Army, I believe I act and hold myself to the highest standards and we have a code of conduct, values and standards instilled which I believe society is lacking.

My original post was very specific to catching someone in the act of not caring and bashing my car "respectfully" while I watched them. It just so happened they were female with two young kids (not a stereotype).

Ultimately, I think I will be best served parking in an awkward space at the far end of the car park. If this means I end up reducing the chance of damage then I believe I would be justified in my actions as the supermarket/owner of the car park or the vandal/"respectful" basher will not own up and pay.

Bl**dy hell! I wasn't expecting to start WWIII with regards to parking spaces.

There will always be differences in people's moral/ethical ways and the standards they uphold. As an officer in the British Army, I believe I act and hold myself to the highest standards and we have a code of conduct, values and standards instilled which I believe society is lacking.

My original post was very specific to catching someone in the act of not caring and bashing my car "respectfully" while I watched them. It just so happened they were female with two young kids (not a stereotype).

Ultimately, I think I will be best served parking in an awkward space at the far end of the car park. If this means I end up reducing the chance of damage then I believe I would be justified in my actions as the supermarket/owner of the car park or the vandal/"respectful" basher will not own up and pay.

your original post was fine mate. Shame that someone has chosen it as a soapbox to voice non sensical and incendiary comments. This forum is not for the bating of others. Sad they indulged themselves. Back to the OP, if evasive action reduces the risk, I'd say do whatever gives you the least stress, without the need to contravene parking restrictions or disrespect others. ;-)

When I had my Mk1 VRS I had a total noob and his wife park next to me in the local Tesco car park in their 2 year old Range Rover Vogue.

She swung the passenger door open as if she was in an empty field, straight into the front door of mine leaving hell of a dent, when I had the cheek to mention it all I got was abuse about caring about an old banger  . 

 

Anyway after I had moved my car to save it getting bashed again, my wife and I went into the shop for a few bits.

 

As we left the car park someone had shoved a whole line of around 5 trolleys into the side of said Range Rover, scratching and putting a crease in the rear quarter and both doors! 

 

Some people are just so lazy to return their trolleys and push them anywhere 

Not sure about that and I have four, I think its the kids who don't give a **** which is to be expected because they are kids and need to learn. I do care more about my kids then a car but I get out first (child lock ) and hold the door so they can't slam it into anything and I'm constantly telling them to watch other people cars.  

Well. you are a Skoda owner, so you have class & breeding

Nookiebear wrote:I personally find people with kids have without doubt the least respect for other people's property as the only thing they are concerned about is their kids, and this is not my cross to bear in any, way shape or form.****. Is all I can say to that comment. I have two children and both of them have been brought up to respect other people and their property. What gives you the right to tarnish everyone with the same brush when you don't even know them. The parent and child spaces are there to allow enough room for the parents to get the young children in and out of the car whilst they are in the carry seat preventing them from hitting another car. I stopped using parent and child spaces when my children could get in and out of the car without me lifting them. I hope and pray that by some means your "pride and joy" gets damaged whilst parked in a parent and child space just because of your arrogance on the subject

Sorry love, wrong site, you were trying to reverse into this one - http://www.mumsnet.com/

Sorry love, wrong site, you were trying to reverse into this one - http://www.mumsnet.com/

Useful site when you have kids.....cheers lass

Edited 26 April, 201610 yr by MR99VXR

I don't understand that kind of car parking problems, I never had any dent or scratch on my car after a shopping session... I always use my wife's car for this  

 

Please, less drama and more smileys  :p

Up to a year ago my wife had a blue badge - the blue badge spaces are wonderful, not just being close to where you need to go but lovely wide parking spaces for safe DOOR OPENING!

 

They refused to renew the badge as she tried to do her best on re-assessment, and they obviously needed them for spry folk who seem to be able to run a marathon with three heavy supermarket bags !!

AGAIN!

See pics and info http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/402088-vrs-tdi-so-far/?p=4683212

gutting - really glad you waited and got their details they must know they have done damage they must have really hit it to leave a mark like that. hopefully them having to pay their excess will make them be more careful in the future.

Is there an excess for 3rd party damage? 

Certainly having to declare it every year for the next 5 years should be nice and galling...

 

I was thinking the old day how it's a pity that cars no longer seem to get bump strips on the doors, presumably because they look ugly.  Because we're looking at a 4x4 (sorry - "SUV" - horrid term) for our next car I'm seriously thinking of getting running boards fitted to try and ward off the car park muppets.

Edited 3 August, 20169 yr by gullyg

This is why I drive 10 year old cars. I can take them to tesco and not be majorly concerned about parking scrapes, do tip runs and not worry about scratching plastics, not worry too much about kids making a mess etc etc.

Would I like a brand new car? Hell yes I'd love one

Would I buy a new car? Hell No!

We live in a world were people seem to have less and less respect for others and their property. Me? My Dad has been dead for 20 years, I still hear his voice "put your muddy shoes on the back of my seats and I'll belt you".

I don't do it my kids but they know to respect their possessions and others. They are being brought up into a similar method that I did (with the exclusion of the belt lol) but the amount of times I've heard kids talking to their parents where I thought "you would never have spoken to my father like that......more than once) is shocking, and the fact that their parents let them is just as bad. With this amount of undisciplined and disrespectful people around who allow their children to follow suit, things will only get worse and those that take pride in their possessions will be forced to treat them with kid gloves to protect them from said people. I'm not saying all children are undisciplined and unruly I'm just saying their is an unfortunate growing trend.

Sorry love, wrong site, you were trying to reverse into this one - http://www.mumsnet.com/

Stop being a patronising Neanderthal.

My particular beef is with those who park close behind me in the tesco car park, so that I cannot easily open the tailgate & unload my trolley

My particular beef is with those who park close behind me in the tesco car park, so that I cannot easily open the tailgate & unload my trolley

Drive into the bay so that the boot is facing outwards, that way no one can prevent access to the boot.

Common sense really

This is why I drive 10 year old cars. I can take them to tesco and not be majorly concerned about parking scrapes, do tip runs and not worry about scratching plastics, not worry too much about kids making a mess etc etc.

Would I like a brand new car? Hell yes I'd love one

Would I buy a new car? Hell No!

We live in a world were people seem to have less and less respect for others and their property. Me? My Dad has been dead for 20 years, I still hear his voice "put your muddy shoes on the back of my seats and I'll belt you".

I don't do it my kids but they know to respect their possessions and others. They are being brought up into a similar method that I did (with the exclusion of the belt lol) but the amount of times I've heard kids talking to their parents where I thought "you would never have spoken to my father like that......more than once) is shocking, and the fact that their parents let them is just as bad. With this amount of undisciplined and disrespectful people around who allow their children to follow suit, things will only get worse and those that take pride in their possessions will be forced to treat them with kid gloves to protect them from said people. I'm not saying all children are undisciplined and unruly I'm just saying their is an unfortunate growing trend.

 

I'm about the same to be honest, my car gets used as a van (apart from for three days, the back seats have been in the store room since the last MOT). My mess, my business though, I don't need it adding to thanks.  

Is there an excess for 3rd party damage? 

Certainly having to declare it every year for the next 5 years should be nice and galling...

 

I was thinking the old day how it's a pity that cars no longer seem to get bump strips on the doors, presumably because they look ugly.  Because we're looking at a 4x4 (sorry - "SUV" - horrid term) for our next car I'm seriously thinking of getting running boards fitted to try and ward off the car park muppets.

 

as far as i am aware any claim made against your insurance company you stump up the excess 

Drive into the bay so that the boot is facing outwards, that way no one can prevent access to the boot.

Common sense really

For god's sake, don't go to piston heads. They all seem to think reversing out if parking spaces is tantamount to child abuse.