EU referendum/Brexit discussion - Part 2

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14 minutes ago, moley said:

Not the innocent people in the pubs blown to pieces then?

 

Every decent person wishes the Guildford pub bombing did not happen, same for Birmingham and other places.    Horrible things like this will happen as the security service cannot stop them all but it is how we, as society deal with the aftermath...

Let us hope that justice means justice and not just fitting somebody up who happens to have an Irish background as happened so many time in the 1970s. 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/guildford-four-man-faced-police-hate-officers-reduced-paul-hill-to-a-wreck-appeal-court-told-1396019.html    Lord Gifford said only 3 out of 13 Surrey officers 'escape unscathed' after an investigation by Avon and Somerset Police into the conduct of the case. There was evidence that 10 were guilty of, or party to, serious impropriety.

 

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The truth is still being sought by many and there are 700 files still not available to be read.  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37702584 ...... 

It was Mr Conlon's dying wish to see evidence gathered as part of an inquiry into the case made public.  Following a freedom of information request, the first six files from Sir John May's five-year probe into the bombings were released to the BBC after a redaction process that took nearly a year. But the vast majority of the files - more than 700 - remain closed at the National Archives at Kew.

 

 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

Back to Brexit..... 

 

Sorry. 

 

Some things even out do BREXIT.  

 

What about the offer of the EU to give the 6 counties of North Ireland easy admission in they want to rejoin the 26?  

 

What is the primary reason for this? 

 

 

[gadgetman]

21 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Sorry. 

 

Some things even out do BREXIT.  

 

What about the offer of the EU to give the 6 counties of North Ireland easy admission in they want to rejoin the 26?  

 

What is the primary reason for this? 

 

 

It's more about reunification which NI parties have been discussing for the last 11 months 

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5 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

It's more about reunification which NI parties have been discussing for the last 11 months 

 

I was surprised the EU said so much about what will be the only EU-UK land boundary.  

 

When NI parties you include the British government and Irish Republic as well as DUP, SDLP, Sinn Fein etc? 

 

Some agricultural good pass over the border several times before finishing their processing, that would be some customs processing to do.

 

 

[moley]

19 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Every decent person wishes the Guildford pub bombing did not happen, same for Birmingham and other places.    Horrible things like this will happen as the security service cannot stop them all but it is how we, as society deal with the aftermath...

Let us hope that justice means justice and not just fitting somebody up who happens to have an Irish background as happened so many time in the 1970s. 

 

You're sounding very much like Jeremy Corbyn in as much as you can't say IRA. The IRA bombers killed and maimed innocent people that night.

[@Lee]

16 minutes ago, moley said:

You're sounding very much like Jeremy Corbyn in as much as you can't say IRA. The IRA bombers killed and maimed innocent people that night.

You do realise that JC has condemned ALL bombing by BOTH sides, don't you?

Meanwhile, the Tories are quite happy to have an actual ex IRA member amongs their ranks.

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Just now, moley said:

You're sounding very much like Jeremy Corbyn in as much as you can't say IRA. The IRA bombers killed and maimed innocent people that night.

 

And I wish Surrey police, Special Branch (who I have worked extensively with in my Customs day) had better luck, been more competent in catching the actual people who did it (or they may have known and did not want to admit their mistake they had obtained confes  ons from innocents under duress).   If much of what has come out since the Guildford 4 convictions was they actually knew the 4 did not do it soon after the convictions but just let them die/rot in jail.  Whether it was the Balcombe Street Gang...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balcombe_Street_siege

The four were found guilty at their Old Bailey trial in 1977 of seven murders, conspiring to cause explosions, and falsely imprisoning John and Sheila Matthews during the siege. O’Connell, Butler and Duggan each received twelve life sentences, and Doherty eleven. Each of the men was later given a whole life tariff, the only IRA prisoners to receive this tariff.^[2][7]    During their trial they instructed their lawyers to "draw attention to the fact that four totally innocent people were serving massive sentences" for three bombings in Woolwich and Guildford.^[8] Yet despite telling the police that they were responsible,^[8] they were never charged with these offences and the Guildford Four and Maguire Seven remained in prison for fifteen more years, until it was ruled that their convictions were unsafe.^[9]

    

If you know your history John Major was having secret talks with the Provisional IRA (The IRA did not really exist after the 1930s after its conflict in Southern Ireland in the early part of the century during the British pull out of the 26 counties.  This continued with all political parties until the Good Friday deal was signed to relief of almost everyone.  

  

 

 

[@Lee]

And as for May and her little jaunt to SA to sell arms to the people who then hand them to ISIS. Best leave that one for another time, eh.

[gadgetman]

And back to Brexit.... 

[trundlenut]

1 hour ago, gadgetman said:

And back to Brexit.... 

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[Ryeman]

Ah, vision beyond slogans at last.

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Police cuts.

NHS Cuts.

Armed Forces Cuts.

Civil Service Cuts.

 

Loss of joined up anti-terror and law enforcement.

 

And totally lack of understanding of Trade and Services Agreements which will damage the UK's ability to fund police, NHS etc. 

 

Edited 23 May, 2017 by lol-lol

[CWARD]

49 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Police cuts.

NHS Cuts.

Armed Forces Cuts.

Civil Service Cuts.

 

Loss of joined up anti-terror and law enforcement.

 

And totally lack of understanding of Trade and Services Agreements which will damage the UK's ability to fund police, NHS etc. 

 

 

Amazing that when the political parties have stopped campaigning after the Manchester Arena attack, someone tried to make political capital out of it. Very, very sad. 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, CWARD said:

 

Amazing that when the political parties have stopped campaigning after the Manchester Arena attack, someone tried to make political capital out of it. Very, very sad. 

 

What is sad is that we did not stop this before it happened.

 

The terrorist will not take a day off.  In a few days time we have the opportunity to reverse Police, NHS cuts etc or to allow the continue decent in to chaos we are currently experiencing.  Time waits for no one. 

[CWARD]

The super duper EU intelligence community weren't very good at stopping attacks all over Europe.

 

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How efficient is European intelligence-gathering?

It is extremely poor. A common theme among EU officials and parliamentarians is lamenting the lack of collaboration on intelligence-gathering.

After the Paris attacks in November, there were promises by politicians in the UK, France, Germany, Belgium and elsewhere of increased cooperation but there has been no significant change.

Countries such as the UK, France and Germany have powerful, well-staffed, efficient intelligence agencies but others are shambolic or close to non-existent.

Belgium’s intelligence service is under-resourced and understaffed, with little cooperation between it and the myriad different police services.

 

Lone wolf attacks, which this is been referred to already are even more difficult to stop and normally need the family of the potential attacker to come forward.

 

You are right pricks don't take a day off be they terrorists or just opportunists.  

Edited 23 May, 2017 by CWARD

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Quite a change in rhetoric about the US, UK, Japan and that Europe is inceasingly the place to be.......   

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-22/asian-stocks-to-nudge-higher-kiwi-holds-advance-markets-wrap

 

"Confidence is building in the European economy, with data on Tuesday confirming the German economy is firing on all cylinders and France’s is gathering momentum, while a euro-area Purchasing Managers’ Index showed manufacturing in the bloc expanded at the fastest pace in more than six years. That’s bolstering the case for investing in the region as political turmoil in Washington rumbles on, diverting attention from President Trump’s spending and tax plans.  “Europe’s growth numbers aren’t knocking the skin off the ball, but they are less volatile and it’s doing relatively well compared to the U.S., U.K. and Japan,” said Bill Blain, head of capital markets at London-based Mint Partners. “More than a few global investors have lost faith in the U.S. recovery and Trump jump.”

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2017-05-23/ubs-s-haefele-cuts-overweight-in-u-s-equities-video

 

 

 

 

Edited 23 May, 2017 by lol-lol

[gadgetman]

Trump u turn on Brexit 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/25/trump-worried-about-brexit-impact-on-us-jobs

[Ryeman]

The internet is doing a great job of dumbing the world down........with more than a little help from Vlad.

[Ryeman]

Might Rolls Royce decamp to German ?

http://m.atwonline.com/engines/rolls-royce-begins-ultrafan-gearbox-high-power-testing?NL=ATW-04&Issue=ATW-04_20170525_ATW-04_765&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_4_b&utm_rid=CPEN1000000426856&utm_campaign=10186&utm_medium=email&elq2=b98371b679874a43bf922b2b932302d0

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Brexit Bulletin: The Economy Slows

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-26/brexit-bulletin-the-economy-slows

 

....Such sluggishness won’t help May’s re-election bid and could weaken her negotiating hand. The softer the economy, the less bargaining power she has over the EU, and the more she needs to safeguard trade with the bloc.  Dan Hanson at Bloomberg Intelligence predicted the economy would stay “subdued for the rest of the year” as faster inflation hits households whose wages are failing to keep up. A pound-induced boost to exports has yet to materialize. May did get some good news with another report showing net migration fell to a three-year low in 2016 to 248,000, though that’s way above the “tens of thousands” she seeks. A total of 117,000 EU citizens took their skills and talents and left the U.K. last year—a 36 percent increase from 2015—and the number of arrivals from the bloc fell for the first time since 2012.

 

 

 

[Ootohere]

Driving down markets so that the rich can become richer is just how the worlds economics works.

 

Please post in 2 years from statistics you have at hand how many billionaires that claim to be residing in the UK there were in 2016 and how many in 2019.

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21 hours ago, Awayoffski said:

Driving down markets so that the rich can become richer is just how the worlds economics works.

Please post in 2 years from statistics you have at hand how many billionaires that claim to be residing in the UK there were in 2016 and how many in 2019.

 

In two years time I am hoping BREXIT will have started to calm down for me and I am implementing whatever tariff's the EU-UK have agreed or if none it will be my Belgian, Dutch, French colleagues in my firm collecting the customs duties on UK goods going in to the EU. What I do not have a Scooby Doo about is what customs tariff the UK will have for EU goods coming in to the UK ie will the UK mirror the EU tariff or do its own thang.  We will have to load 10,000 different commodity codings with their respective duty rates which, hopefully, the government of the day will have supplied to us in the normal uploadable format. 

 

Fun world at the moment, Moody's just down graded China similar to the UK's downgrade in 2013, US currency is slipping as the president does seem to be able to get his policies past his own elected chambers.  So money has started to flow in to good old mainland Europe as the preferred option, who would have thought.   Just had the UK exchanges rate for June set at 1.29, better than low to mid 120s where it has been but then it has started to slip as the UK PM has had such a bad election campaign and markets do not like uncertainty. OPEC production cuts statement and West Texas dropped below $50, Brent $52 so cheapish diesel/petrol for a bit.  

 

Not sure billionaires reside anywhere.  If I had that money I would just registered my address as my super yacht in international waters.

 

Fun for next month is to implement the CETA ie Canada-EU Trade Agreement, which will go out the window for the UK when it BREXITs.      

Edited 27 May, 2017 by lol-lol

[Ootohere]

Probably you got one thing right on how many Billionaires actually stay in the UK.

They do like UK Citizenship, just like so many like the lax Taxation and ability to have money or make money from the UK or Commonwealth and get it out of the UK.

BREXIT will suit so many more now & the delay there was in Article 50 will have benefited many as they traded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_billionaires_by_net_worth 

 

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5 minutes ago, Awayoffski said:

Probably you got one thing right on how many Billionaires actually stay in the UK.

They do like UK Citizenship, just like so many like the lax Taxation and ability to have money or make money from the UK or Commonwealth and get it out of the UK.

BREXIT will suit so many more now & the delay there was in Article 50 will have benefited many as they traded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_billionaires_by_net_worth 

 

 

How many of those actually pay UK PAYE I wonder?   

 

In our own little way, when I was Merchant Navy before joining Customs, I gather some Officers would just hold up in somewhere nice, like Cyprus, to be in the UK less than 91 days in the tax year, even pay for the girl friend, family to come out, and then all travel back to the UK for a bit before starting the next trip.

 

Wonder how Government business adviser Philip Green works it out as he can leave Monaco in the morning, do his 8 hours and then fly back so I wonder how that is counted? 

 

https://www.gov.uk/tax-foreign-income/residence

 

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With a lack of clarity on what BREXIT actually means.  

 

Question Time on the BBC last night. Spin on until 10 min 25 seconds and the question is asked about what BREXIT deal the UK wants and perhaps might get and all parties actually seem to answer quite concisely and clearly it sounded to me.......   

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08sh4g1/question-time-01062017