Autonomous driving

[VRS Mike]

one thing I believe is that the motor industry will die once we have full autonomous cars

[Ootohere]

Only if the Vacuum Cleaner manufacturers are building them, but then that will be the Electric Motor Industry, and the Motor Component industry like Bosch, Mahle, ABB, Amtek, Tesla that will be involved. Bearing manufacturers, tyres, wheels, etc etc

[Breezy_Pete]

On ‎03‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 11:20, Ryeman said:

Seeing SpaceX can auto-land their rocket on a floating barge at sea, keeping lumps of metal apart on a road shouldn’t be too difficult surely.

If all the traffic (cars, trucks, bikes, horses, even white vans) are computer controlled, sure.  While any of them aren't, I just don't see it working well.

 

Autonomous cars managing to avoid running into the back of some daft sod emergency-braking to avoid a butterfly will reduce a few prangs, but what stops 'man on mobile phone' in non-autonomous car running into the back of the autonomous car, a force-field?

 

What about when drivers learn that an autonomous car will do everything it can to avoid crashing into you? So you (in your conventional car) can pretty freely barge in front of it at junctions, roundabouts, sliproads; that's not going to work well for the other traffic behind the autonomous car who aren't expecting it?

 

 

[Ryeman]

1 minute ago, Wino said:

If all the traffic (cars, trucks, bikes, horses, even white vans) are computer controlled, sure.  While any of them aren't, I just don't see it working well.

 

Autonomous cars managing to avoid running into the back of some daft sod emergency-braking to avoid a butterfly will reduce a few prangs, but what stops 'man on mobile phone' in non-autonomous car running into the back of the autonomous car, a force-field?

 

What about when drivers learn that an autonomous car will do everything it can to avoid crashing into you? So you (in your conventional car) can pretty freely barge in front of it at junctions, roundabouts, sliproads; that's not going to work well for the other traffic behind the autonomous car who aren't expecting it?

 

 

To me, the concept of a transition period combining semi autonomous vehicles doing their thing and enabling dozy/otherwise engaged  ‘attendees’ , giving the occasional impression of being in charge, positively laughs at the road safety message targeting distracted drivers.

[Ttaskmaster]

We can't even get people's Broadband to go higher than 1Mbps despite being less than a mile from the fibre-enabled exchange - How the heck will we manage to implement the infrastructure to enable self-driving electric Teslas??!!

[Ootohere]

Many areas of the UK where you can not get radio reception, for the length of a journey, eg the A9, or mobile phone and sat nav reception can just disappears

(eg, about 2 miles as the crow flies from the Edinburgh Tesla workshop)

[VRS Mike]

59 minutes ago, Ttaskmaster said:

We can't even get people's Broadband to go higher than 1Mbps despite being less than a mile from the fibre-enabled exchange - How the heck will we manage to implement the infrastructure to enable self-driving electric Teslas??!!

 

the safety systems are built into the car, Lidar etc

[Ootohere]

Helps with knowing what is near or next to you,

not a lot of help if you do not know where you are or going.

 

  How do they track planes and ships all around the world, even Fish or whales even birds, yet not know where Planes or Ships are when they disappear?

[Ttaskmaster]

59 minutes ago, VRS Mike said:

 

the safety systems are built into the car, Lidar etc

And, as explained to me often, these wonderfull things all rely on software/firmware updates and calibrations, which are 'conveniently' done over wireless internet...

[KenONeill]

39 minutes ago, Headinawayoffski said:

Helps with knowing what is near or next to you,

not a lot of help if you do not know where you are or going.

 

  How do they track planes and ships all around the world, even Fish or whales even birds, yet not know where Planes or Ships are when they disappear?

Once the vehicle is out of range of fixed radars they don't, unless the vehicle carries a solution that transmits its current position to a satellite.

 

In the cases of animals they mostly don't track them at all, except by relying on short range transponders or marking them (like bird ringing) and repeated observations or captures, recording and release. Obviously this tells you that, say, Jonathon Livingstone Lesser Black Back Gull summers in NW Scotland and winters in Cork but not (unless you have multiple observations en route) whether he travels Cork - Fishguard or Belfast - Cairnryan when heading North!

[Ootohere]

So much Fake News out there, enough to turn your skin orange.

 

http://marinetraffic.com 

http://shipfinder.co 

http://swfsc.noaa.gov/MMTD-KillerWhale-Tracking 

http://biotrack.co.uk/satellite-gps.php 

The Solution will be publicly accessed Satellite tracking then, as with shipping, non military obviously....!!

including when the autonomous vehicles go into tunnels and underground or even overground car parks, then maybe phone technology,

maybe just not near Nuclear Power Stations or Secure Submarine bases, high security areas or just even  some airports at some random times.

The RSPB_ Satellite tracking.mhtml

Edited 8 November, 2017 by Headinawayoffski

[Ttaskmaster]

23 hours ago, Headinawayoffski said:

The Solution will be publicly accessed Satellite tracking then, as with shipping, non military obviously....!!

including when the autonomous vehicles go into tunnels and underground or even overground car parks, then maybe phone technology,

maybe just not near Nuclear Power Stations or Secure Submarine bases, high security areas or just even  some airports at some random times.

 

 So half of Berkshire will be up the creek, given how many such sites we have around here, on top of all the AWE areas...!!

[Ootohere]

Well the news today as i heard on the radio where there was reception, the driverless bus that crashed in the US is that it was hit by another vehicle, so driver error there.

Maybe a bit like some driver hitting a tram.  Maybe the driver of a vehicle thought they had right of way and the other vehicle might adhere to the rules of the road,

who knows, but obviously 'all on camera', radar / hard drive etc etc.

EDIT.

So it stopped as was supposed to, maybe just not as the driver expected to.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/technology-41923814 

 

Lost in translation maybe, American English and English,

Self Drive Bus here is something you hire to drive, Self Drive Mini-Bus, Self Drive Van.type thing.

Maybe 'Self Drive Vehicles' need renaming if for Global Production & are Driverless Vehicles / Nobody driving / Controling themselves under others instructions.

Edited 9 November, 2017 by Headinawayoffski

[Ryeman]

Trump is doing his best to derail it - (V2V.....it was an Obama initiative)

https://apnews.com/9a605019eeba4ad2934741091105de42

[Ootohere]

So looking forward to seeing these around, and when snowy making them into a snow man or woman.

[Ryeman]

The Lutz report -

http://www.autonews.com/article/20171105/INDUSTRY_REDESIGNED/171109944/bob-lutz:-kiss-the-good-times-goodbye

[io1901]

Report in The Times today that regulators will have to revise traffic law to make sure, if there is an accident, that the liability lies with the correct party (i.e. Driver (or passenger ;)) , Manufacturer or software developer. 

[Ootohere]

Guy Martin vs Robot Car started at 9pm on Channel 4.   So will be on again on 4+1 at 10 pm, and no doubt repeated. 

Interesting as usual from Guy.

[Ryeman]

Apple still at it -

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1114448_apple-patents-navigation-system-for-self-driving-cars

[Ootohere]

They might have a little issue with the Billions of Dollars or what ever currency that they may get fined depending on how and where the courts find against them on turning down older phones speeds & if that is defrauding customers just by not having revealed that they did. 

Time will tell how the Civil Actions already being raised as Class Actions turn out.

 

Bit of a problem still on the Autonomous vehicle front in the UK just with the pathetic mobile phone coverage across many areas of the UK.

Edited 23 December, 2017 by AwaoffSki

[Ryeman]

1 hour ago, AwaoffSki said:

They might have a little issue with the Billions of Dollars or what ever currency that they may get fined depending on how and where the courts find against them on turning down older phones speeds & if that is defrauding customers just by not having revealed that they did. 

Time will tell how the Civil Actions already being raised as Class Actions turn out.

 

Bit of a problem still on the Autonomous vehicle front in the UK just with the pathetic mobile phone coverage across many areas of the UK.

Trump makes you wonder if democracy is all it’s cracked up to be.

Chine would fix it quick smart.

[Ttaskmaster]

Why even bother leaving the house. We'll have fibre everywhere soon and will do everything without having to leave our computer chairs. No need to travel anywhere, never mind waiting in the piddling rain trying to get a signal to summon a vehicle owned by someone else.

 

Autonomous will be synonymous with monotonous.

[Ryeman]

Another Tesla failure?.

https://electrek.co/2018/01/22/tesla-model-s-autopilot-crash-fire-truck/

[wyx087]

The article states the firefighter were working on an accident, so the fire engine were stationary.

 

Anyone who have driven ACC/AEB cars know these systems ignore stationary objects. Only the driver is to blame for not monitoring the system.

[Ryeman]

On 23/01/2018 at 19:58, wyx087 said:

The article states the firefighter were working on an accident, so the fire engine were stationary.

 

Anyone who have driven ACC/AEB cars know these systems ignore stationary objects. Only the driver is to blame for not monitoring the system.

To be investigated  -

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1115020_nhtsa-to-investigate-tesla-model-s-on-autopilot-that-hit-parked-fire-truck-on-freeway