On 05/01/2017 at 13:54, Aspman said:

I'd like the option. But tbh I'd expect the driver to be required to be 'in control at all times' for quite a while yet. A bit like the Tesla autopilot. It's driving but you have to have your hands on the wheel to take over. That sort of thing will be wround very soon. I'll be surprised if the next S class merc doesn't have it.

 

https://player.vimeo.com/video/192179726?player_id=192179726

It is coming.  

 

Watched it again at slow frame rate and there are some crazy activities that the car had to deal with; cyclist jumps stop line @25 secs, lots of stop lines at which it must make decisions about priority, fog/low vis, joggers at side of road @53 secs, discriminates against the bin @58 secs, merges quite seamlessly with vehicles after a right turn at a stop @1.32 and parks.

 

We are part way there.

 

Humans are the problem as we are random if only we were all like Spock and only did things in a deterministic and logical way then building the autonomous systems to work alongside humans would be much simpler.

Edited 26 March, 20179 yr by Bud

8 minutes ago, Bud said:

https://player.vimeo.com/video/192179726?player_id=192179726

It is coming.  

 

Humans are the problem as we are random if only we were all like Spock and only did things in a deterministic and logical way then building the autonomous systems to work alongside humans would be much simpler.

It's hard enough staying awake mid afternoon after a nice lunch on a long boring straight road, as it is.

It's all very well making rules about staying in control but the reality of becoming complacent is still there.

.........and then the other driver gets a WhatsApp message.......((((

We only say a human has to stay in control as we are not comfortable leaving it to the computers, they reliably and consistently make the correct decisions, we do not.  We have to get over this fear and accept the changes.

 

Vehicles can negotiate space/time in the flow and as they all know where they are going the flow is optimised, no lane chopping because we think lane 2 is going quicker than lane 1.  

 

The real problem is when we drive for fun, not to get somewhere or achieve something specific. The systems then cannot plan ahead and resolve the best route as they do not know what your goal is, i.e. you decide to go for a hundred mile loop but the systems only recognise you want to return home therefore it will take the shortest route.  Autonomous vehicles might be the end of fun motoring

It's the 'transition' phase that is the worry to me.

Something like 4 or 5 phases AFAIK.

A threat to German industry 

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/67F02B0209620D77CA2580F6007E5824

 

Mindless, myopic cage drivers all limited to their wheeled box being on rails and maintaining uniform clearance distances, leaving the space open for my motorcycle to get through without worrying someone will do something painfully stupid to me by accident/on purpose?

Bring it on!!! :lol:

 

Nah, I like the idea of having a proper Autopilot feature, like an advanced Cruise Control. But there will be times I'll want control my own self, still.

Once it becomes illegal to 'interfere',      if even possible,     how many Ferraris or xxxxxs are going to be sold and be useless also?.

Times ticking on the auto industry it seems.

More racetracks need to be built.

Just now, RobClubley said:

More racetracks need to be built.

 

2050........what are they doing daddy?.

 

"well, there was a time........"

It's coming sooner than you think 

National: AI coming sooner than you think, experts say

http://ab.co/2nFCwVJ

 

whats going to happen to your new vehicle?.

Power demands of autonomous vehicles

http://articles.sae.org/15344/

Why would you bother trying 

http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1110060_tesla-sued-for-its-half-baked-autopilot-software#src=10065

The whole of Europe will, I assume, have to adopt full autonomy on the same date if people are to be able to cross borders.

A Ford for those who don't want to drive -

http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1112193_ford-patents-removable-pedals-steering-wheel-for-your-self-driving-car

Four years away -

http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1113531_self-driving-cars-are-just-four-years-away-says-nvidia

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/31/google_waymo_ditched_autopilot/

 

Basically the current setup with autopilot working and the human legally in charge is the worst of all worlds.

 

1) Without having to do anything 99% of the time the meatsack loses focus gets bored and goes to sleep or does basically anything to stay entertained.

2) When the 1% happens the meatsack isn't ready because they've not been paying attention so they're in no position to take over and will likely take the wrong action.

 

So basically everyone is having to give up on anything but full automation. Which I think is probably the right thing.

Until self-driving cars are at the point where I can climb, very drunk, into the back seat and be taken home all within the law, there is not much point to it.

Edited 2 November, 20178 yr by Aspman

1 minute ago, Aspman said:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/31/google_waymo_ditched_autopilot/

 

Basically the current setup with autopilot working and the human legally in charge is the worst of all worlds.

 

1) Without having the to anything 99% of the time the meatsack loses focus gets bored and goes to sleep or does basically anything to stay entertained.

2) When the 1% happens the meatsack isn't ready becasue they've not been paying attention so they're in no position to take over and will likely take the wrong action.

 

So basically everyone is having to give up on anything but full automation. Which I think is probably the right thing.

Until self-driving cars are at the point where I can climb, very drunk, into the back seat and be taken home all within the law, there is not much point to it.

It’s hard to imagine how they could introduce autonomy in a more dangerous way in this social media obsessed world.

Apparently it's actually a well known issue with airline pilots. Which is a worry becasue it shows the autonomous car people aren't looking for lessons learned in other industries.

 

2014 - https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/wnjnzz/cockpit-automation-is-killing-pilots-attention-spans

 

Edited 2 November, 20178 yr by Aspman

Just now, Aspman said:

Apparently it's actually a well known issue with airline pilots. Which is a worry becasue it shows the autonomous car people aren't looking for lessons learned in other industries.

The ‘sterile cockpit’ applies below 10,000ft ie no non operational distractions.....the CVR is listening too.

The roads are used by a cross section of society though. 

we have a company called Oxbotica on site testing autonomous vehicles, seems to be a lot of interest in what they are doing. I think it will be great, the number of traffic accidents caused by people running into the back of one another is ridiculous, seems to be getting worse and causing more traffic issues.

Although I sit behind the steering wheel and have my feet on the pedals  Mrs G does the driving from the passenger seat.   

On ‎26‎/‎03‎/‎2017 at 11:00, Bud said:

We only say a human has to stay in control as we are not comfortable leaving it to the computers, they reliably and consistently make the correct decisions, we do not.  

 

They can make the correct decision IF

• They were programmed correctly
• They are working correctly
• They are maintained correctly
• They don't get hacked

The problem is, humans program computers and they make bad decisions sometimes.

Cars will never get the same level of maintenance as an aircraft, so the level of reliability will never be the same.

If a computer is involved, it can and will get hacked. The car would become a weapon without comeback on the hacker.

No thanks

 

6 hours ago, S00perb said:

 

They can make the correct decision IF

• They were programmed correctly
• They are working correctly
• They are maintained correctly
• They don't get hacked

The problem is, humans program computers and they make bad decisions sometimes.

Cars will never get the same level of maintenance as an aircraft, so the level of reliability will never be the same.

If a computer is involved, it can and will get hacked. The car would become a weapon without comeback on the hacker.

No thanks

 

 

They rely on sensors and cameras to work you only need these to be "out of alignment" and the computer might think the car is 6 inches to the left or where it actually is.

15 hours ago, io1901 said:

 

They rely on sensors and cameras to work you only need these to be "out of alignment" and the computer might think the car is 6 inches to the left or where it actually is.

And quite possibly on GPS to "know what the correct speed limit is"; Civilian GPS can be out by up to 100 feet, and I know places where 70 and 30mph roads run parallel within 100 feet of each other.

The military is opening up GPS to allow millimetre precision in to the public. Probably on the back of pressure from politicians. Can't find the story now.