Well I bought the DSG 1.6TDI Octavia, new, and then less than a year later the daughter bought a Yaris, a manual D4D.

Our 10-11 year ownership experiences were diametrically opposed.

Though at 170,000+ miles she is getting (hopefully fixable) DPF issues, and the origonal clutch very recently collapsed because she was/is a tad sharp coming off it and therefore some of the 6   springs that absorb the shock loadings failed, and quite understandably, though there was no discernable wear to be seen to the clutch plate itself(well she is, mostly,  her ould Da's daughter!)

And yes I am aware Toyota have their failings too, but it is my preception that they are overall a more honest company than the VAG Group are.

BUT

As said her experience persuaded me to go Japanese or Korean.

And the Rav4 appeared to meet our needs best.  Which car I intend to keep for at least 150,000 miles.

And she has said she will be buying another Toyota, probably a Corolla estate.

Perhaps iffen I had bought the 2.0 l diesel with the apparently bullet proof wet DSG I would have had a different ownership experience.

HeyHo, such is life.

Marcus

 

On 22/10/2022 at 22:58, marcusthehat said:

Breezy,

I have never found any particular reason to trust the motoring press.

I do however trust the very well informed opinion of a lifetime VAG mechanic who has run an independant VAG specialist garage most of his adult life, and whose son has followed him into the trade.

Two absolutely straight blokes who would be the last to say anything negative, unless it was glaringly obviously undeniably and unavoidably true, about their lifes passion.

So I will believe them.

Regards,

Marcus

Do you recall what the VAG mechanic told you were the most common big-bill failures that VAG vehicles suffer from, @marcusthehat?

I'm curious to see whether what your mechanic reported is reflected on the boards of Briskoda.

 

1 hour ago, EnterName said:

Do you recall what the VAG mechanic told you were the most common big-bill failures that VAG vehicles suffer from, @marcusthehat?

I'm curious to see whether what your mechanic reported is reflected on the boards of Briskoda.

 

It is a good while ago now, from hazy recall I believe a lot was EGR/injectors/emissions/electronic related(and btw his Son is big into the computer diagnostic stuff)

cheers

Marcus

A Briskoda member, journalist, reviewer that tells it as it is.

When there are faults he reports them and when he likes them that must be because they are good.

'Maybe subscribe to his channel'.

 

 

 

undoubtedly the greatest threat to Skoda is Skoda themselves.

 

My first was 13 years ago and the customer experience was a revelation, dealers who were interested, honest and had a real “ can do” approach. The cars were well built, reliable and durable, OK not perfect, but were excellent value. My faith in VW group product was derived from 60k miles a year for nearly 20 years, during which the VW, Audi and Skoda cars stood up to the punishment far better than the Vauxhall, Volvo and BMW models we ran.

 

We’re now faced with unsound engineering, substandard materials and above all, an attitude from dealers and Skoda customer service that is very much “can’t do”.

 

My current Kodiaq has been troublesome, I could live with that, but an expectation of the dealer network that they’d be willing to resolve issues is hopelessly misplaced and after more than 20years of almost continuous VW group ownership, this will be the last.

 

The need for something with at least 2000kg towing capacity limits choice of Japanese product so something Korean is now on the cards.

On 19/01/2023 at 21:20, Ranger said:

undoubtedly the greatest threat to Skoda is Skoda themselves.

 

an attitude from dealers and Skoda customer service that is very much “can’t do”.

 

..... and after more than 20years of almost continuous VW group ownership, this will be the last.

 

 

 

 

Sums it all up really in three sentences...

 

The culture that perhaps brought us to Skoda in the first place is very much broken... I want to change my car and basically they don't want to talk to me... last correspondence was chasing a price... and that was last month.

 

Perhaps my enquiry is still going from salesman to sales manager to sales managers manager to finance bod..... and back down the line.... can't anyone think for themselves anymore or are margins so so top secret......?

 

Thing is that I have now discovered, its universal.... Hyundai - as in making an enquiry .. comes back an automated message - Dear 'surname'... (that sort of **** ceased when we left grammar school....) ...  thanks for your enquiry - we will keep you informed... 

Do they really want £40-50K of my money or am I that much of a pain the ass... ( When it was £20K the service was so much better) ... or is it just another side affect from CV-19... 🤪

 

Must be me but I just get the feeling on visiting these sterile, clinical car sales rooms that ..... Never in the field of car sales was so little, done by so many...  ( apologies to WSC..) 

 

If yer really clever of course, car sales showrooms are cheaper than Costa...

 

Feel better now...

 

 

 

Skoda / VW UK and the lot they have doing the Customer Service service is an issue.

The lack of knowledge of the vehicles and referring customers and those that have vehicles back to Dealerships to get information.

 

These are often people at Dealerships without a clue in Sales, Parts or Servicing Departments.

After Sales for some from some is pathetic from Skoda UK & Dealerships.

eg

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/521243-q5-tsi-power-cutting-out/page/6

 

Really interesting thread reading from start to end, my first Octavia was an ex demo MK2 Octavia 1.9TDI, beautiful car bought in 2004 and stayed in the family until 2022.  Only got rid of due to lack of maintenance by my late father.   Currently in a 2018 Octavia 1.5 which is a total Swiss army knife of a car and I love it.  Bought at 3 years old.  Toured all over Europe in it.  Will cruise at speed all day, boot bigger than my old Touareg, Volvo V90 and other toys.  Does everything brilliantly.

 

Back to the question, biggest threats:

1) The dealer then was dodgy as hell, soon lost their franchise

2) The dealer now, near me, an absolute rip off, £700 for a replacement wing mirror and fitting.   Its not an ultra premium brand and yeah £125 on ebay and 30 mins to fit myself.

3) VAG, the dieselgate fiasco.  Cost / quality cutting

4) Model line up, I love the Octavia, Superb, Fabia and regret not getting a Yeti in 4x4.  But bloody SUV's and electric ones?  Worst of all worlds, ****e off road, heavy and handling compromised

5) Other manufacturers, beginning of this thread all Dacia.  And man they have improved so much.  New Duster looks epic.  But its Korean or Japanese for me.  And in reality the Chinese electric brands.   MG4 is epic value for money if thats your thing.

6) Residuals and depreciation, insane pricing at new means that my preferred purchase point now which is at 3 years old is increasingly lifting Skoda outside of the amount of money I am willing to pay for a vehicle that is a utility to me rather than a fun toy

 

Anyway my penny's worth

Edited 3 October, 20241 yr by MrMajestyk

2 hours ago, MrMajestyk said:

Really interesting thread reading from start to end, my first Octavia was an ex demo MK2 Octavia 1.9TDI, beautiful car bought in 2004 and stayed in the family until 2022.  Only got rid of due to lack of maintenance by my late father.   Currently in a 2018 Octavia 1.5 which is a total Swiss army knife of a car and I love it.  Bought at 3 years old.  Toured all over Europe in it.  Will cruise at speed all day, boot bigger than my old Touareg, Volvo V90 and other toys.  Does everything brilliantly.

 

Back to the question, biggest threats:

1) The dealer then was dodgy as hell, soon lost their franchise

2) The dealer now, near me, an absolute rip off, £700 for a replacement wing mirror and fitting.   Its not an ultra premium brand and yeah £125 on ebay and 30 mins to fit myself.

3) VAG, the dieselgate fiasco.  Cost / quality cutting

4) Model line up, I love the Octavia, Superb, Fabia and regret not getting a Yeti in 4x4.  But bloody SUV's and electric ones?  Worst of all worlds, ****e off road, heavy and handling compromised

5) Other manufacturers, beginning of this thread all Dacia.  And man they have improved so much.  New Duster looks epic.  But its Korean or Japanese for me.  And in reality the Chinese electric brands.   MG4 is epic value for money if thats your thing.

6) Residuals and depreciation, insane pricing at new means that my preferred purchase point now which is at 3 years old is increasingly lifting Skoda outside of the amount of money I am willing to pay for a vehicle that is a utility to me rather than a fun toy

 

Anyway my penny's worth

 

Tend to agree with most of your points but interestingly our Kodiaq 4x4 is lighter than our Mk2 TDi 4x4 was... 

As someone who has just bought their first ever Skoda (mark 4.5 Octavia RS Combi in race blue) I can share what I almost bought instead and what else I drove.

Interestingly everything I considered was a VAG product. I so nearly bought a facelifted Formentor VZ. The facelift model is not yet released in New Zealand but I drove the older 228PS model a few times. On paper it was perfect. My old car was a 2012 Subaru Legacy GT Premium wagon. I wanted something a little smaller but still a 4WD vehicle with sporty dynamics. Apart from feeling the Cupra was a bit gauche in places with its overuse of the signature copper colour it was the one. The fact that the facelift added a 333PS engine and torque splitting rear diff from the Golf R should have sealed the deal.

Probably if the new car was available right away I would have one but I’ve never had an suv before and don’t really like them despite how handsome the Cupra is. I looked at the Leon Sportstourer but didn’t really like the styling.

I wrote off the Golf R, too much black plastic inside. I drove the Audi RS3 (my wife patted it after the test drive) but despite assuming I’d love the in-line 5 it seemed to have a soggy power delivery and didn’t sound as good as the older ones I’ve been in.

Next an Audi S3. It drove great, noticeably quicker than the Cupra despite the same engine (it’s a bit lighter) but S3 seemed a bit boring.

My wife got us back on the SUV option and we test drove an RSQ3 Sportback. That could have been the one. Still the same faintly disappointing 5 cylinder engine but it would have been a very pleasant place to be but alas the new Q3 was on its way with no indication of an RS model and no stock of the run out one.

I had earlier considered an Octavia RS. I’d been following the range since the Mark 3 and thought the Mark 4 looked great but discounted it thinking 245hp was not enough power. Once I learnt the facelift was on the way I tried a 245 model.

I was blown away by how it felt to drive. It just felt right. The seats were supremely comfy, sitting low reinforced the superior dynamics of a proper car chassis. I didn’t think it was that quick and thought there was too much torque steer.

Back to the Cupra and trying to order one but the niggling was there. Despite the Cupra being so much quicker on paper, the Skoda felt like a sports sedan whereas the Cupra still felt like a sporty suv. When the Octavia 4.5 arrived I drove it and fell in love. The changes to the media system were a big step. The new wheels were nicer (with the aero inserts removed). The car felt noticeably quicker in part because the model is making more power from 4,300rpm now so has more of a top end zing but the DSG box retuning really makes it snap through the gears. Getting rid of the sound actuator and having an actual exhaust with a bit of sound and a few overrun pops sealed the deal.

Sorry for the long winded post. What would I consider next? Well wouldn’t it be great if they offered a 4WD 333PS version in the future, I’d snap that up.

I also learnt I quite like having something a bit off axis. I live in a wealthy area and most people have fancy euro cars. I really prefer the drive of the Skoda to the other cars I drove (RS3 excluded but I didn’t like it enough to pay almost twice as much as the Skoda).

@whippersnapper I agree about Suburban Useless Vehicles. To me they always feel slightly floppy and unstable (even when a passenger).

If I had to switch, I’d probably reach for a Kia or Hyundai brochure. Both offer great value, smart tech, and comfort—definitely strong alternatives to Skoda in today’s market.

If I had to switch, I’d probably reach for a Kia or Hyundai brochure. Both offer great value, smart tech, and comfort—definitely strong alternatives to Skoda in today’s market. I’ve come across quite a few of them recently while working on cars around <snip> (tyres mainly), and I have to say, they’re seriously well built.

I agree with earlier postings that probably the biggest threat to Skoda is the Skoda Auto itself.

The doctrine of mandated removal of manual gearboxes from all lineups is now bearing fruit given the numerous premature failures of DSG boxes and the need for much more frequent maintenance/fluid and filter change for DSGs than for manual gearboxes. Same goes for 4x4 Haldex that I have never needed in nearly half a million miles of driving...

In addition, cutting fuel tanks everywhere except top of the range (Superb) resulted in a situation where e.g. I can afford any Skoda in any trim in the range, but won't buy it chiefly because the Mk4 Superb only comes with DSG box and is too too long to fit in garages at at least 2 locations I frequently use. At this point, the ill fitting (Kodiak) instrument panel in Mk4 Superb dashboard eclipsed only by its software gremlins probably are worth mentioning. The rest of the Skoda lineup has either way too small fuel tank or a DSG box.

Another off-putting feature for me is that the headlamps suitable to drive in the UK and abroad for long periods of time at night seem to be now a £1500+ add-on, when just a few years ago they were a standard feature of most models in the range (halogen and HID projector headlamps with a lever inside). And to make things worse, on e.g. Karoq you have to make a "logical" choice between either having matrix headlamps (Sportline only), or having Varioflex seats, but not both. That's on nearly new ex demo cars, because Skoda killed manual gearbox on new Karoqs...

At the end of the day, we probably could live with a well-made and quiet Fabia sized car nowadays, provided it had ~130bhp diesel, manual gearbox, 50l+ fuel tank and headlamps that go to true flat beam for Europe, no need even for matrix high beam. Mk1 /Mk2 Octavia and a Yeti fitted the bill perfectly, so did Fabia vRS except 45l fuel tank. Even the 105bhp Roomster, although underpowered, had Varioflex seats and continues to astonish with its practicality (and a 64l fuel tank for diesel cars, after ventectomy).

Right now, I see nothing in the Skoda range that can replace my 2 ageing cars. The numerous electric trolleys introduced into the Skoda range are a complete non starter for me, given that last year, e.g. on my vRS, I did 80% of annual mileage in 10x overnight ~1000mile trips. Petrol/hybrids are also a non starter for me, given petrol/diesel price differential in Europe (probably £8k+ in additional petrol over diesel fuel costs over lifetime of the car) and the inevitable loss of range on autobahn with the thimble fuel tanks present on current Skoda models (except the Superb).

Edited 21 July, 202521 Jul by dieselV6

@dieselV6 Is there manufacturers selling a car in 2025 in the UK that suits your requirements?

Any there any from the VW Group, a SEAT, VW, Audi, Porsche or Bentley?

No new cars that I can see in any make/model (at least except large SUVs / pickup trucks). In used/ex demo ones probably yes, as I have named Karoq Sportline 2.0TDI 150bhp manual (but then no Varioflex which is immensely useful), or if I decide to live with a durable auto box, an Audi S4 Avant 3.0TDI tiptronic (though for a thirsty engine fuel tank borderline at 58l).

Did not look at other makes (used) too closely (yet) as I have always maintained my own cars, so switching away from VAG cars would require new tools / OBD interface / manuals etc.

Edited 21 July, 202521 Jul by dieselV6

7 hours ago, dieselV6 said:

I agree with earlier postings that probably the biggest threat to Skoda is the Skoda Auto itself.

The doctrine of mandated removal of manual gearboxes from all lineups is now bearing fruit given the numerous premature failures of DSG boxes and the need for much more frequent maintenance/fluid and filter change for DSGs than for manual gearboxes. Same goes for 4x4 Haldex that I have never needed in nearly half a million miles of driving...

In addition, cutting fuel tanks everywhere except top of the range (Superb) resulted in a situation where e.g. I can afford any Skoda in any trim in the range, but won't buy it chiefly because the Mk4 Superb only comes with DSG box and is too too long to fit in garages at at least 2 locations I frequently use. At this point, the ill fitting (Kodiak) instrument panel in Mk4 Superb dashboard eclipsed only by its software gremlins probably are worth mentioning. The rest of the Skoda lineup has either way too small fuel tank or a DSG box.

Another off-putting feature for me is that the headlamps suitable to drive in the UK and abroad for long periods of time at night seem to be now a £1500+ add-on, when just a few years ago they were a standard feature of most models in the range (halogen and HID projector headlamps with a lever inside). And to make things worse, on e.g. Karoq you have to make a "logical" choice between either having matrix headlamps (Sportline only), or having Varioflex seats, but not both. That's on nearly new ex demo cars, because Skoda killed manual gearbox on new Karoqs...

At the end of the day, we probably could live with a well-made and quiet Fabia sized car nowadays, provided it had ~130bhp diesel, manual gearbox, 50l+ fuel tank and headlamps that go to true flat beam for Europe, no need even for matrix high beam. Mk1 /Mk2 Octavia and a Yeti fitted the bill perfectly, so did Fabia vRS except 45l fuel tank. Even the 105bhp Roomster, although underpowered, had Varioflex seats and continues to astonish with its practicality (and a 64l fuel tank for diesel cars, after ventectomy).

Right now, I see nothing in the Skoda range that can replace my 2 ageing cars. The numerous electric trolleys introduced into the Skoda range are a complete non starter for me, given that last year, e.g. on my vRS, I did 80% of annual mileage in 10x overnight ~1000mile trips. Petrol/hybrids are also a non starter for me, given petrol/diesel price differential in Europe (probably £8k+ in additional petrol over diesel fuel costs over lifetime of the car) and the inevitable loss of range on autobahn with the thimble fuel tanks present on current Skoda models (except the Superb).

You must realise you are an edge case. Almost no-one is buying manual gearboxes anymore even in sports cars so that is not going to reduce sales. I do agree the fuel tank size is relatively small but it’s just an observation not a practical problem even my RS can do 600km or do on a tank more than enough.

No one is buying manual gearboxes because they are not available anymore in the new product lineups, it is a self fulfilling prophecy. In my specific case, I did not buy a new car in 2019 but a used one (Mk3 vRS) only because I could not get the 184bhp diesel with manual gearbox on a factory order Skoda car anymore.

My opinion is that if you had today 50/50 choice between DSG and manual, a lot of owners experiencing problems with DSG boxes would go back to manual on their next car. Therein lies another problem, the ridiculous new car prices force the primary car market to be company car and/or leasing, entities that selll the car on largely before any maintenance issues come up. This means that people who actually have to put up with maintenance issues are not the people ordering/specifying factory orders, and this in turn leads to cars on the secondary market full of useless gadgets and unreliable hardware.

Automatic gearbox is useful in traffic, but it does come with much shorter life and more maintenance, that is why for the last 500k miles I always went with manual gearbox. Speaking of maintenance, I had nothing but problems servicing my car at several dealers and an independent, perhaps just unlucky, but that is why I have taken to maintaining own cars. It is much easier to maintain a car with manual gearbox than with automatic, just a trivial oil change every 6 years or so. Automatic gearbox operation is tied to engine torque among other things, so aside from oil/filter changes which seem to be very frequent now on some DSG boxes, if/when engine ages a little, the auto gearbox starts playing up.

Range wise, across Germany in either direction I can use all fuel in vRS fuel tank before I actually need a break, on some stretches it is under 2.5hrs of driving at night (leaving ~5l in reserve), when I'm much more comfortable with 3hr-4hr stop intervals at night in low/no traffic.

Edge case or not, castrating cars to the point where you have to choose what side of the Channel you have to drive it safely at night is wrong in my book.
Similarily, restricting engine power unless you mandatorily add 150kg+ of redundant autobox and 4x4 hardware is just wasting steel and fuel on every trip afterwards. There are applications for 4x4s, but it seems I can get by with just 2 wheel drive for the past 25 years / 500k miles both in UK and all over Europe.

Just my opinion, you do not have to agree with it :)

Edited 21 July, 202521 Jul by dieselV6

@dieselV6 So no need to buy new then. Plenty low mileage used about that will suit you.

& as far as 500,00 miles in 25 years, there are TESLA,s that have done that in under 10 years and with free Super Charging and that are still going and charging for free.

2 hours ago, whippersnapper said:

You must realise you are an edge case. Almost no-one is buying manual gearboxes anymore even in sports cars so that is not going to reduce sales

Im not sure he is TBH... Having driven quite a few autos I still very much prefer a manual but, as explained above, they are becoming much harder to find as manufacturers aren't making them even though they are wanted.

Edited 21 July, 202521 Jul by skomaz

2 hours ago, skomaz said:

Im not sure he is TBH... Having driven quite a few autos I still very much prefer a manual but, as explained above, they are becoming much harder to find as manufacturers aren't making them even though they are wanted.

It all depends who is deciding what an edge case is. Without wishing to offend anyone, my guess is that a large proportion of the members on here are, at the very least, above the age of 45. Indeed, a large portion of you are (from conversations I've read/had) into your 60s. For those, then I don't doubt that much of the newer range of cars doesn't appeal to you!

Heck, I'm in my early 20s and nothing in the line-up appeals to me - there's a reason I drive a 2020 vRS and not a 2025 Elroq. Equally though, I myself am an edge case - the majority of people in and around my age group want a car that goes from A to B, with CarPlay and maybe a nice lease deal. They don't want an estate with room for tools and stuff in the back, because they don't have tools. They don't need 800 miles of range, because they fly. They don't need handling, because who cares. They like a shiny badge, flashy headlights and being a bit higher up than everyone else.

That said, I'm not trying to appear a dinosaur - I have nothing against electric cars. I absolutely love the performance aspect of them, and find many aspects of them hugely appealing. I just don't like the designs, interiors or the other stuff that comes with them. If they made a sensible, reasonably-sized electric Golf with a normal/traditional interior and exterior, along with 250bhp and some fun toys, then I'd at least test drive it. Not to mention, of course, that anything electric/hybrid remotely performance based and practical, is completely out of the price range of someone my age.

I personally hate the direction that all manufacturers are going. if I had to buy a brand new car today, and it had to be realistic, I'm not sure what I'd get. I love a manual, but that's a weekend car job - DCTs are perfect for a daily. I'd want above 300bhp, space for my bikes, something that looks sporty and handles well, has CarPlay and everything but is also not covered in screens and touch sensitive crap (I'm old at heart). The new S5 Avant and M340i models appeal, but they're the thick end of £60k+.

Sticking to the brands we know and love... ummmm... maybe I could get on with the new Octavia vRS or Cupra Leon ST (until they ditch them in a year or two). All the hatchbacks are smaller than they used to be on the inside, whilst being bigger on the outside. My dad's 2024 118i has a joke for a boot compared to the 2011 A3 Sportback it replaced (and, btw, is 5 inches longer than an old 2001 328i Touring we used to have). Meanwhile, the 2022 Ibiza FR wasn't much smaller than the A3. Since when did the Polo and Mini Cooper stop being small cars? Who needs a BMW X7 - it's like driving a Chieftain tank! Since when did a hot hatch have 255 section tyres 350bhp and weigh 1600kg? No wonder the BMW XM has 740bhp - it needs it to move 2,800kg! The new 3 series is as big as an old 5 series was, and they're unbelievably expensive if you want any kit on them. Hell, top VW Touareg models, as nice and 350bhp-Q7-leather-esque as they are, go for upwards of £90,000... for a Volkswagen!

I agree with whoever said similar above - if everyone had reasonably sized cars and halogen headlights, nobody would feel the need to drive around in crossovers and SUVs (that, btw, are no bigger inside than the estate/hatchbacks they're based on) with collapsed suns blinding you from the bonnet. Stuff like Matrix systems are unbelievably clever, useful and great for safety, but until everyone has them, it isn't going to work.

Everything currently on the market is, in my opinion, so overpriced for what it is, and a shadow of how things used to be - in terms of quality, value, practicality, user-friendliness and general usability.

All of the new cars I've driven have just not been as good as the previous versions of them I've owned/driven - be it a Golf, a Leon, an A6, a Defender 110 or a 718 GT4.

Brands such as BMW M Division, Porsche and others are still keeping the idea of a performance car alive, but I fear they are running out of time.

Rant over. I appreciate I've made a multitude of sweeping statements flooded with hyperboles and personal opinion, but you get my drift.

If you drive a sporty wagon like me you are already in a distinct minority. Most people buy SUVs and don't care about dynamics. I have access to to older classic cars and love driving manual and caused an uproar when I lived in the US by factory ordering a manual BMW330i M Sport and then an Infiniti G37S. I think the DSG in my 4.5 Octavia RS Combi is very snappy and nice to use and the reality is despite what others have argued almost no-one wants to drive a manual. I'm 56 and still have two motorcycles, I'm an ex racer. If I get too old to ride one day I'll get something like a Boxster GTS 4.0 to replace it and yes it will be a manual because it will be a toy.

9 hours ago, Ootohere said:

@dieselV6 So no need to buy new then. Plenty low mileage used about that will suit you.

& as far as 500,00 miles in 25 years, there are TESLA,s that have done that in under 10 years and with free Super Charging and that are still going and charging for free.

A quick check of Approved Used Skoda website shows 2 (two) suitable 2022/2023 Karoqs.... out of 2696 used Skodas that are year 2022 or younger and 150bhp+. That is ~0.075%, not what most people would call plentiful supply :)

With respect to doing a 1000mile trip across Europe over 12h - 14h (depending on Eurotunnel and roadworks) in a Tesla or any other electric box on wheels, all I can say is good luck, especially with electricity use at autobahn speeds of 120mph+ :)

^^^ True,

Nobody is ever going to be doing it as fast and cheaply as you as you zoom along singing a song, pays your money and uses your fuel.

Edited 22 July, 202522 Jul by Ootohere

Why would you do 120mph+ on an Autobahn in an EV?
Most people in Germany don't do that sort of speed in an ICE let alone an EV. The majority stick to ~120Kph.
Driving any distance at 120Mph is exhausting and the novelty soon wears off.