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Great spot, George :thumbup:

 

Edit - Unsuccessful attempt to post a working link.

 

Edited by Robjon

Typical French. When you do get to the website they need details from your "Identification du certificat d'immatriculation" (looks like a French V5 to me)in order to get a "Crit'Air : Le certificat qualité de l'air". As foreign vehicles do not have the relevant information we cannot apply for a Crit'Air Certificate and we will be fined. Catch 22 anyone?

 

I am off to the West Coast of France in July so I will keep my eye on this in case Reins or Lyon join in the money making scheme.

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    It was mentioned in the BBC radio production (ie licence payers paid for it so listen to it to hear what they are spending your money on).

     

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07v0fty

     

    Also talks about my company's EV car rental scheme "Auto-Lib" which covers Paris, Lyon and other EU mainland cities and coming to London in the next few months.

    Thanks for this, I hadn't spotted this

     

    I already have an emmisions sticker for Germany :-https://www.berlin.de/labo/mobilitaet/kfz-zulassung/feinstaubplakette/shop.86595.en.php

    So now I need one for France:- https://www.certificat-air.gouv.fr/

     

    Are there any other nearby European countries that also require this?

     

    Also have any more countries rolled out motorway tolls etc? (Already get them for Austria, Switzerland and have a French Sanef Toll tag)

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    Interesting read - not planning on going to any French Cities just yet, but good to know. Thanks for sharing!

     

    Paul

    Edited by RockyVRS

    8 hours ago, bigjohn said:

    Thanks for this, I hadn't spotted this

     

    I already have an emmisions sticker for Germany :-https://www.berlin.de/labo/mobilitaet/kfz-zulassung/feinstaubplakette/shop.86595.en.php

    So now I need one for France:- https://www.certificat-air.gouv.fr/

     

    Are there any other nearby European countries that also require this?

     

    Also have any more countries rolled out motorway tolls etc? (Already get them for Austria, Switzerland and have a French Sanef Toll tag)

     

    Interesting that a diesel gets a lower category sticker even though it is EUR5 or EUR6 or whatever.  Maybe because the NOX on a diesel in higher (potentially by the limits set) than a petrol car ie 60 uGm/Km limit rather than 80 uGm/Km.  

     

    Want to get the proper Green sticker but would need to charge at Eurostar but could arrive in Paris from Callias without a recharge after charging for free  vvvv.  

     

    https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/vehicles/electric-vehicle-charging/

     

     

    Edited by lol-lol

     

    These sticker make the city of Paris able to react in a more sophisticated way when air quality becomes poor so rather than just banning number plates that have an even or odd number in them, ie the usual way reducing vehicle air pollution from Athens, Delhi, Paris and many more cities, to a way that the Paris authorities can say that only car with stickers 0 or 1 can enter the city or 1,2,3 etc.  Good system to protect urban citizens.    

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    28 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

     

    Interesting that a diesel gets a lower category sticker even though it is EUR5 or EUR6 or whatever.  Maybe because the NOX on a diesel in higher (potentially by the limits set) than a petrol car ie 60 uGm/Km limit rather than 80 uGm/Km.  

     

    Want to get the proper Green sticker but would need to charge at Eurostar but could arrive in Paris from Callias without a recharge after charging for free  vvvv.  

     

    https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/traveller-info/vehicles/electric-vehicle-charging/

     

     

    I think you mean mg/km, milligrams per kilometer.

    38 minutes ago, Wino said:

    I think you mean mg/km, milligrams per kilometer.

     

    Indeed, thanks.

     

    It is air pollution that is measure in micrograms ie micrograms per Metre cubed.....http://ec.europa.eu/environment/air/quality/standards.htm 

     

    Throughout this time, the maximum amount of NOx emitted by diesel cars has been well behind that of petrol models. Under the new Euro 6 standards, however, the maximum level for NOx in diesel models is 80mg/km, compared to 60mg/km in petrol cars.

    Euro emissions standards for diesel cars 

    Euro standard

    Date

    CO

    NOx

    PM

    Euro 1 July 1992 2.72  - 0.14 
    Euro 2 January 1996 1.0 - 0.08
    Euro 3 January 2000 0.64 0.50 0.05
    Euro 4 January 2005 0.50 0.25 0.025
    Euro 5a September 2009 0.50 0.180 0.005
    Euro 6 September 2014 0.50 0.080 0.005
     

    Euro emissions standards for petrol cars

    Euro standard

    Date

    CO

    NOx

    PM

    Euro 1 July 1992 2.72  - -
    Euro 2 January 1996 2.2 - -
    Euro 3 January 2000 2.3 0.15 -
    Euro 4 January 2005 1.0 0.08 -
    Euro 5 September 2009 1.0 0.060 0.005
    Euro 6 September 2014 1.0 0.060 0.005

    There you go:-

    http://www.rac.co.uk/drive/travel/country/france/

     

    Apparently, foreign visitors can apply for the "Cert" from February. (3 E).

     

    Its not applying, yet, to the main tourist areas in the North-West, West and South,South central Alps and Pyrennes.

     

    Coming to London soon with the Ultra Low Emissions Zone (Co-terminus with the London Congestion Zone) -

    £12.50 for entry for cars manufactured before 2006 i.e. non - Euro IV (other vehicles much, much more).

     

    No excuses here for keeping the hireable electric vehicles on the street and in the state of those in Paris (BBC report said some were dirty/broken - BBC reporter found homeless man sleeping in one) - there are NCP car parks at least  every quarter of a mile in  central London, where these things could be properly maintained and cleaned and kept secure (Possibility here that the providers are just resourcing  do-it-yourself suicide bombing).

     

    Ostensibly, my Fab Mk1 (Nov 2002 manufacture) would be subject to this restriction, though when I look on the new V5 document all the stated emissions (In g/km), the CO (0.310 ), HC (0.064), NOX (0.042) are below Euro IV levels - although PMs aren't stated (Are PMs part of the Euro IV standard ?). Euh ?

     

    Nick

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    OK,

     

    I've managed to apply for this -just - but :-

     

    1) Didn't seem to work with Firefox or Chrome browsers (only IE that I don't normally use)

    2) You have to attach a scan of the reg document - file size limit 200k!

    Edited by bigjohn

    • 1 month later...

     

    OK,

     

    I've received my French clean air sticker - slightly suprised as mine has come back as a Green sticker, even though mine is listed as a petrol euro 5. I thought green was reserved for electric cars etc.

     

    HOWEVER - The French fitting instructions state it must be in the bottom right corner of your windscreen , the probem is on a UK Superb II that would be in the swept area and the sticker has a diameter of about 80mm. Not sure a car would pas an MOT with this fitted , or be legal

     

    Clearly the instructions are designed to put the sticker on the passenger side of a French LHD car not a British RHD

     

    Please pardon the expression , but where do you stick it? Any MOT testers on the forum?

     

    BJ

    On 30/1/2017 at 08:04, lol-lol said:

     

    Indeed, thanks.

     

    It is air pollution that is measure in micrograms ie micrograms per Metre cubed.....http://ec.europa.eu/environment/air/quality/standards.htm 

     

    Throughout this time, the maximum amount of NOx emitted by diesel cars has been well behind that of petrol models. Under the new Euro 6 standards, however, the maximum level for NOx in diesel models is 80mg/km, compared to 60mg/km in petrol cars.

             
             
             
             
             
             
             

     

    The real issue with NOx emissions is the reaction with VOCs to form photochemical smog. Petrol engines have far higher VOCs (HC emissions) than diesel, so the NOx emissions for them would be stricter to curb the damage done by the two combining. With diesel now making up a larger percentage of the fleet than petrol, the tighter limits on diesel NOx would limit the interaction with non-transport VOC sources e.g. paints, adhesives, road surfaces, plants, industrial emissions, etc.

    57 minutes ago, bigjohn said:

     

    OK,

     

    I've received my French clean air sticker - slightly suprised as mine has come back as a Green sticker, even though mine is listed as a petrol euro 5. I thought green was reserved for electric cars etc.

     

    HOWEVER - The French fitting instructions state it must be in the bottom right corner of your windscreen , the probem is on a UK Superb II that would be in the swept area and the sticker has a diameter of about 80mm. Not sure a car would pas an MOT with this fitted , or be legal

     

    Clearly the instructions are designed to put the sticker on the passenger side of a French LHD car not a British RHD

     

    Please pardon the expression , but where do you stick it? Any MOT testers on the forum?

     

    BJ

     

    Laminate it and stick it in that corner only when you are in one of the cities.

     

    3 minutes ago, Llanigraham said:

     

    Laminate it and stick it in that corner only when you are in one of the cities.

     

     

    Good idea - but like the Swiss Vignette I suspect this is illegal in France

    As far as I can see the rules only state that it has to be in the corner of the windscreen, not actually stuck to the glass. As said I'd only stick it on to the screen when I needed it.

    And as it is not a requirement in the UK then I would say that it would be illegal and an MOT failure if fixed in the area.

    8 minutes ago, Llanigraham said:

    As far as I can see the rules only state that it has to be in the corner of the windscreen, not actually stuck to the glass. As said I'd only stick it on to the screen when I needed it.

    And as it is not a requirement in the UK then I would say that it would be illegal and an MOT failure if fixed in the area.

     

    Likewise - I've not found a reference to sticking it on the windscreen although not searched in French. Could laminate and slot into the windscreen clip as required - not 100% sure though

     

    Hope I don't end up with a collection of these stickers for every country - already have a German one

    Edited by bigjohn

    7 hours ago, chimaera said:

     

    The real issue with NOx emissions is the reaction with VOCs to form photochemical smog. Petrol engines have far higher VOCs (HC emissions) than diesel, so the NOx emissions for them would be stricter to curb the damage done by the two combining. With diesel now making up a larger percentage of the fleet than petrol, the tighter limits on diesel NOx would limit the interaction with non-transport VOC sources e.g. paints, adhesives, road surfaces, plants, industrial emissions, etc.

     

    Not sure where you get the impression that the diesels are far better on THCs, below.....

    http://carfueldata.dft.gov.uk/downloads/download.aspx?rg=aug2016

     

    THC same, NOX on the diesel much worse and therefore the French system quite rightly puts the dirtier 184 hp 2 litre diesel is a category higher/dirtier than the 230 petrol.   

     

    Model Description Transmission Engine Capacity Fuel Type THC Emissions [mg/km] Emissions NOx [mg/km]
    Octavia Hatchback

    2.0 TFSI 230PS Stop-Start with 18'' & 19'' wheels 

    		M6 1984 Petrol 50 39
    Octavia Hatchback vRS 2.0 TDI 184PS DSG 4x4 Stop-Start 18'' and 19'' wheels QD6 1968 Diesel 50 65

     

    and a really clean car....

     

    Model Description Transmission Engine Capacity Fuel Type THC Emissions [mg/km] Emissions NOx [mg/km]
    Logan MCV Euro6, 2015 TCe 90 M5 898 Petrol 37 8

     

    Edited by lol-lol

    2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

     

    Not sure where you get the impression that the diesels are far better on THCs, below.....

    http://carfueldata.dft.gov.uk/downloads/download.aspx?rg=aug2016

     

    THC same, NOX on the diesel much worse and therefore the French system quite rightly puts the dirtier 184 hp 2 litre diesel is a category higher/dirtier than the 230 petrol.   

     

    Model Description Transmission Engine Capacity Fuel Type THC Emissions [mg/km] Emissions NOx [mg/km]
    Octavia Hatchback

    2.0 TFSI 230PS Stop-Start with 18'' & 19'' wheels 

    		M6 1984 Petrol 50 39
    Octavia Hatchback vRS 2.0 TDI 184PS DSG 4x4 Stop-Start 18'' and 19'' wheels QD6 1968 Diesel 50 65

     

    and a really clean car....

     

    Model Description Transmission Engine Capacity Fuel Type THC Emissions [mg/km] Emissions NOx [mg/km]
    Logan MCV Euro6, 2015 TCe 90 M5 898 Petrol 37 8

     

     

    Might be a more valid comparison if you'd compared the same cars with different engines as opposed to two completely different specs???

    1 minute ago, skomaz said:

     

    Might be a more valid comparison if you'd compared the same cars with different engines as opposed to two completely different specs???

     

    Auto or manual only makes a few percent difference as does 2 or 4 wheel drive.  Stats show that petrols are usually about 1/2 the NOX for similar performance.

     

    1.8TSI, similar performance, to the similar powered 2 litre diesel as below......

     

    Model Description THC Emissions [mg/km] Emissions NOx [mg/km]
    Octavia Hatchback 1.8 TSI 180PS Stop-Start DSG with 18'' & 19'' wheels  51 13
    Octavia Hatchback 1.8 TSI 180PS Stop-Start with 18'' & 19'' wheels  54 34

     

     

    Just now, lol-lol said:

     

    Auto or manual only makes a few percent difference as does 2 or 4 wheel drive.  Stats show that petrols are usually about 1/2 the NOX for similar performance.

     

    1.8TSI, similar performance, to the similar powered 2 litre diesel as below......

     

    Model Description THC Emissions [mg/km] Emissions NOx [mg/km]
    Octavia Hatchback 1.8 TSI 180PS Stop-Start DSG with 18'' & 19'' wheels  51 13
    Octavia Hatchback 1.8 TSI 180PS Stop-Start with 18'' & 19'' wheels  54 34

     

     

     

    Keep going - you missed the 4x4 bit...   ;-)   ...you'll get there eventually and we'll be able to do a valid comparison (not that I'm expecting it to show anything different - I just want you to understand that you need to be comparing apples with apples and not with mango's).

    1 minute ago, skomaz said:

     

    Keep going - you missed the 4x4 bit...   ;-)   ...you'll get there eventually and we'll be able to do a valid comparison (not that I'm expecting it to show anything different - I just want you to understand that you need to be comparing apples with apples and not with mango's).

     

    Yes it will make a few percent difference but not the quantum difference in the petrol cars producing half the NOX and a minute amount of PMs compared to diesel hence the pan global direction to eliminate diesel (without SCR etc) from urban areas via taxation, furthered by VED changes next month and warning from Secretary of State for Transport think carefully about buying a diesel car.   Must go and do some customs work now, lots to do before BREXIT.

    3 hours ago, lol-lol said:

     

    Not sure where you get the impression that the diesels are far better on THCs, below.....

    http://carfueldata.dft.gov.uk/downloads/download.aspx?rg=aug2016

     

    THC same, NOX on the diesel much worse and therefore the French system quite rightly puts the dirtier 184 hp 2 litre diesel is a category higher/dirtier than the 230 petrol.   

     

    Model Description Transmission Engine Capacity Fuel Type THC Emissions [mg/km] Emissions NOx [mg/km]
    Octavia Hatchback

    2.0 TFSI 230PS Stop-Start with 18'' & 19'' wheels 

    		M6 1984 Petrol 50 39
    Octavia Hatchback vRS 2.0 TDI 184PS DSG 4x4 Stop-Start 18'' and 19'' wheels QD6 1968 Diesel 50 65

     

    and a really clean car....

     

    Model Description Transmission Engine Capacity Fuel Type THC Emissions [mg/km] Emissions NOx [mg/km]
    Logan MCV Euro6, 2015 TCe 90 M5 898 Petrol 37 8

     

    It's a fundamental in the way the two fuel technologies work.

     

    Diesel always runs lean, and burns its fuel very efficiently, so the level of unburnt fuel is typically small. It's only at very high loads, close to stoichiometric that you will see a diesel emit notable HC levels.

     

    Petrol traditionally has had to run rich to keep combustion temperatures down, resulting in high HC emissions - running rich means a portion of the fuel cannot be combusted. Modern stratified injection engines overcome a lot of this at light load, but these switch back to more traditional rich fuelling under high load to prevent engines being melted.

     

    The NEDC test cycle doesn't operate at high engine loads so it won't show up this behaviour, and you can be sure the engines are being optimised to put on a good show on the cycle.

    I've received a clarification email from the French Ministere de l'environment:-

      

    "You can actually paste your air quality certificate to the left of your windshield if your country's regulations prohibit you from putting it right"

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