After 199 days, I finally have mine home! Looking forward to getting to know, handle and set it up. Only had a short, wet, traffic clogged drive, so I can’t wait to head out tomorrow. 

On ‎4‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 03:17, Rolfman2000 said:

I'm probably going to open a can of worms here, so before I start... Sorry !

 

 

I have a new (5 week old) petrol VRS estate. The 227bhp version. Knowing that these VAG Tsi engines are good for tuning, I looked at my options.

1... The standard tuning box.

2...  Have the chip reprogrammed at a garage.

3...  Go the whole hog, and have it dyno'd, professionally tuned by a specialist whilst on the dyno, and get what I wanted. 

 

Well, I chose number 3. Looked around for a tuner with a good reputation which turned out to be Will Spooner of Performance Torque of Wombourne, which was just down the road from me. Anyway, I made the appointment and wanted entry over. For me, it was a rather boring 3.5 hours during which Will discussed what I wanted entangled out of the tune, which was more power, more mid range grunt, and better mileage (all of which I have got). Once he had the base line to start from (which turned out to be 254bhp as standard - which Will said was quite normal on these engines, straight from the factory), the fun began. 3 rewrites of the chip later and a total of 6 dyno runs, I got 314.9bhp out of it, and an extra 79ft/lbs of torque. As I have now put another tank of fuel through it. If I am careful, I can get 37.8mpg out of her. In total, it cost me £271 and about 1/4 of am tank of fuel. The car goes like am rocketship when in vrs sport mode, and in eco when driven gently, I can get 5mph around town. 

 

My question is.... If the standard VRS 230 is giving out 254bhp, why pay extra for a VRS 245 ?  And before anyone says. NO, I'm not knocking them, or you at all. I'm just interested. 

Cheers all, Dave W  

Hey Rolf,

Bumping this back into action because im a tad skeptical, most VAG engines when rolled throw out higher numbers that's true however 254 and then 315 after the map seem quite... erm high?
Just wondering if anyone else has got some details following stage 1 map and before / after, as someone else posted below they put a 245 through the dyno stock and it came out 247, where as you are drastically above that on a 227 aswel.
Cheers,

8 minutes ago, ClarkyStu said:

Hey Rolf,

Bumping this back into action because im a tad skeptical, most VAG engines when rolled throw out higher numbers that's true however 254 and then 315 after the map seem quite... erm high?
Just wondering if anyone else has got some details following stage 1 map and before / after, as someone else posted below they put a 245 through the dyno stock and it came out 247, where as you are drastically above that on a 227 aswel.
Cheers,

Hi Clarky it was probably me that posted an upsidedown graph of my 245 before and after custom re-map at AmD in Essex on 12/03/2018. You were close it was 248.6bhp before and 302.1bhp after. Because it has always been run on Shell V-Power, not just for the re-map like some people do to get the headline figure, the torque which should be 273lb/ft or 370NM if you prefer metric climbed from 294lb/ft standard to 345lb/ft or 467NM afterwards. I was a little surprised by the 230 giving 254bhp standard as well but put it down to the owner just getting lucky!

3 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Hi Clarky it was probably me that posted an upsidedown graph of my 245 before and after custom re-map at AmD in Essex on 12/03/2018. You were close it was 248.6bhp before and 302.1bhp after. Because it has always been run on Shell V-Power, not just for the re-map like some people do to get the headline figure, the torque which should be 273lb/ft or 370NM if you prefer metric climbed from 294lb/ft standard to 345lb/ft or 467NM afterwards. I was a little surprised by the 230 giving 254bhp standard as well but put it down to the owner just getting lucky!

Think it was bud yeah.

Its the highest numbers iv seen on a 230, and it beats every 245 before and after a stage 1 map that's what I don't get.  (like its not even close its miles ahead)

29 minutes ago, ClarkyStu said:

Hey Rolf,

Bumping this back into action because im a tad skeptical, most VAG engines when rolled throw out higher numbers that's true however 254 and then 315 after the map seem quite... erm high?
Just wondering if anyone else has got some details following stage 1 map and before / after, as someone else posted below they put a 245 through the dyno stock and it came out 247, where as you are drastically above that on a 227 aswel.
Cheers,

ClarkyStu, I have no reason to lie to you about this. Will at Performance Torque of Wombourne told me that most VAG cars were normally higher than the figures expected. Those were the figures he gave me before the final run (which I watched), and the figures came out precisely the same at the end of the run. 314.9bhp. Which is why I don't "round it up" to 315, because it wasn't. Safe driving bud. Cheers, Dave W 

2 minutes ago, ClarkyStu said:

Think it was bud yeah.

Its the highest numbers iv seen on a 230, and it beats every 245 before and after a stage 1 map that's what I don't get.  (like its not even close its miles ahead)

Yeah I know what your saying, what would be interesting is to see at what revs the 254bhp was achieved and also what revs maximum torque achieved also. That can demonstrate alot about the flexibility of the re-map because my car is now very FLEXIBLE allowing it to do 24mph in 4th gear and 32mph in 5th gear which means it's more economical around town. Before the re-map best mpg was 47.4MPG on a trip to Cardiff but since March I have managed 49.4MPG just driving to work on my 26 mile commute. Would also like to know what revs his 314.9bhp was achieved at because my peak figure arrived at under 5,500RPM. It's easy to get more more at higher revs that's why modern Formula One engines squeeze over 500bhp at over 11,000 rpm from 1.6 litre V6 engines.

On 27/04/2018 at 18:45, RussTi said:

£20 for a mug ... 

 

You paid £30k for a Skoda and are complaining about £20 for a mug  

 

I would too! fortunately they are £9 on eBay.

1 hour ago, Rolfman2000 said:

ClarkyStu, I have no reason to lie to you about this. Will at Performance Torque of Wombourne told me that most VAG cars were normally higher than the figures expected. Those were the figures he gave me before the final run (which I watched), and the figures came out precisely the same at the end of the run. 314.9bhp. Which is why I don't "round it up" to 315, because it wasn't. Safe driving bud. Cheers, Dave W 

Not suggesting your lying in the slightest dude, just that the dyno itself may be reading about 20bhp to much.
I haven't seen another 230 pull numbers anywhere near yours (Ever) and every engine is different which accounts for variations, however yours is up by too much to call it luck of the draw.

46 minutes ago, ClarkyStu said:

Not suggesting your lying in the slightest dude, just that the dyno itself may be reading about 20bhp to much.
I haven't seen another 230 pull numbers anywhere near yours (Ever) and every engine is different which accounts for variations, however yours is up by too much to call it luck of the draw.

 

Would be interesting to see some other results from the same dyno perhaps?  

 

I'm dubious about these stories of VW engined cars producing significantly more power than stated as stock.  Don't really understand why VW would do that? OK so there will be some variation...but I reckon probably +/-5bhp or less in this day and age.  

 

 

16 minutes ago, juan27 said:

 

Would be interesting to see some other results from the same dyno perhaps?  

 

I'm dubious about these stories of VW engined cars producing significantly more power than stated as stock.  Don't really understand why VW would do that? OK so there will be some variation...but I reckon probably +/-5bhp or less in this day and age.  

 

 

I think it can vary from car to car and manufacturer to manufacturer.

 

I had a bog standard Mini Cooper S 175bhp dyno'd on 3 separate dyno's and produced circa 193bhp on all 3.

 

My dad also had his brand new Mercedes C250 dyno'd a few years ago and it underperformed by 7bhp.

 

Im sure I read somewhere that manufacturers have to produce engines that will work all over the world - so in different temperatures, different heights, different climates etc. So that could cause some variation. Not 100% sure though

Completely agree with both, variation will always occur, iv never heard of nearly 30 higher however. Which is why I was casting doubt upon the actual road itself, like you said Rolf, no reason to lie yourself

38 minutes ago, matt9407 said:

I had a bog standard Mini Cooper S 175bhp dyno'd on 3 separate dyno's and produced circa 193bhp on all 3.

 

 

Why did you do that? 

4 minutes ago, juan27 said:

 

Why did you do that? 

Because I didn't trust the dynos.

 

Or should I say, the first dyno.

Edited 30 April, 20188 yr by matt9407

I just think that if you look at how favorable the conditions allowed are for fuel consumption and emissions testing for manufacturers, its weird that they would shy away from advertising power figures achieved under normal EU conditions because someone couldn't achieve them high in the Andes or in the Arctic Circle etc. 

 

One thing is for sure the manufacturers can measure flywheel bhp on the bench much more accurately than any rolling road, which is by definition an estimating tool.

 

I'd be amazed if the ouput can vary by 30bhp on the same stock 2.0 engine. I can't see how that would be possible. 

Edited 30 April, 20188 yr by juan27

2 hours ago, ClarkyStu said:

Not suggesting your lying in the slightest dude, just that the dyno itself may be reading about 20bhp to much.
I haven't seen another 230 pull numbers anywhere near yours (Ever) and every engine is different which accounts for variations, however yours is up by too much to call it luck of the draw.

Here's a link to the Facebook page with my car on it. See for yourself. 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155077477891673&id=192803051672

 

Cheers, Dave W

18 hours ago, Rolfman2000 said:

Here's a link to the Facebook page with my car on it. See for yourself. 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155077477891673&id=192803051672

 

Cheers, Dave W

Dave,
I can see a picture of your car on rollers and a graph / read out showing the claimed amount, you understand road's can be over / under?
All I have stated is i am fairly confident theirs is substantially high, for some garages its by accident - others on purpose so they can claim better numbers, I haven't stated my opinion on either of those.

 

Surely you have to appreciate yourself that you are considerably higher than any stock or stage 1 mapped car on this forum (Not a single other person has shown ANY numbers CLOSE to yours.)
Once again, I am not suggesting you are misleading us at all! Simply that their road is not calibrated correctly, or they are making up silly figures

Juan - Neither can I.

Seem to recall someone on here saying you could find out about your order by visiting a website and input your order number...anyone know the site address as the Skoda we chat team have closed for the evening and my cars being built this week so wanna find out progress

 

thanks

I think the only way is through the chat team? There is one dealer that has their site hooked up with updates, but I think it only works if you ordered through them. I'll try to dig the link out. 

On 11/3/2017 at 14:05, juan27 said:

trackymyskoda.co.uk

 

Here you go @Reddazforever

15 minutes ago, ScottyNS said:

 

Here you go @Reddazforever

That's not up to date! It says my order is awaiting a build date but as of last week it had been built and was awaiting being loaded on to a ship.

Yeah, I'm not surprised. I haven't heard of it working for anyone. 

1 hour ago, ScottyNS said:

 

Here you go @Reddazforever

Cheers  - tried but said no build date yet confirmed    Defo out of date.  Will try web chat team tomorrow

The audi version of that track my skoda thing was brilliant.

 

Showed the car through each stage and gave delivery details too.

Nice commute today, hit 9,105 miles and not a bad average MPG if I say so myself!

24 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Nice commute today, hit 9,105 miles and not a bad average MPG if I say so myself!

Do you drive like a slug in eco mode with air con off? 

 

47mpg is what i’m getting in my diesel vrs over 38k Miles