52 minutes ago, themanwithnoaim said:

The comfort from the electric seats & all the tiny small adjustments you can make to get the seat just right, are worth at least half the upgrade cost, the lumbar support in particular.

 

The willie waving abilities of a 7 DSG speed wet box, 300mm ventilated rear discs & of course the shiny front grill are all items you can't option on any other Octavia.

 

Oh & theres this display

 

Also comes with a truck load of SMUG!!!

Do the rest of us a favour and go Petrol.  I rode a push bike to work and you can smell the diesel cars, even the new ones.  I remember saying to people even before VW got caught cheating that I find it hard to believe diesels are not that polluting as they stink.  Now that VW got caught I know that I and all the other pushbike riders I know are right, diesel is disgusting and needs to banned.

1 minute ago, ChrisWells said:

Do the rest of us a favour and go Petrol.  I rode a push bike to work and you can smell the diesel cars, even the new ones.  I remember saying to people even before VW got caught cheating that I find it hard to believe diesels are not that polluting as they stink.  Now that VW got caught I know that I and all the other pushbike riders I know are right, diesel is disgusting and needs to banned.

 

Buses and trucks more than cars I think. 

 

The amount of crap they pump out is ridiculous 

Just now, Tim1631 said:

 

Buses and trucks more than cars I think. 

 

The amount of crap they pump out is ridiculous 

Agreed, but I really notice the cars that seem to be 5 or more years old as well.  Maybe it is just that most car drivers are not doing the km's required to burn the rubbish out of the filters.

and cheap supermarket diesel doesn't help. I can understand why people buy it - it's cheaper - but I use Shell V-power (Nitro/TNT/NuclearFission, or whatever it's currently called) and don't get the visible crud cloud that some diesels emit when accelerating, so I reckon it's mucking up the internals (human and mechanical) somewhat less than the 'cheaper' stuff. When they've finished with diesels, they'll start demonising petrol (which, unlike diesel, emits carcinogenic fumes whether you have the engine running or not), then electricity, if only by association with the method of generation. My preference would always be for petrol, because petrol engines are lighter and cheaper to produce and result in better handling, but I bought a diesel because I do over 2,000 miles a year in France and diesel is cheaper there (was 30% cheaper when I first bought a diesel), but I always buy sulphur-free diesel, again, to avoid the black exhaust muck. I'm waiting for someone to invent a dilithium-crystal powered vehicle which rarely needs refuelling and will get me far away from politicians at warp speed. In the meantime, I'll try to enjoy what we've got.

1 hour ago, ChrisWells said:

Do the rest of us a favour and go Petrol.  I rode a push bike to work and you can smell the diesel cars, even the new ones.  I remember saying to people even before VW got caught cheating that I find it hard to believe diesels are not that polluting as they stink.  Now that VW got caught I know that I and all the other pushbike riders I know are right, diesel is disgusting and needs to banned.

 

this is why I refuse to use public transport, those double decker buses put out some right horrible black stuff!

My preferred option in Hydrogen but I expect will never take of as people think it is too dangerous etc.  BMW have been running internal combustion engines off hydrogen for years and all that comes out of the exhaust is water vapour.  The cars sound and perform like a petrol car.  Seeing some solutions for a decent range in an electric engine car is a Hydrogen Fuel cell I think a future with Hydrogen stations generating the Hydrogen from solar (lets convert every road to solar panels and connect them to the hydrogen stations) then if both electric and internal combustion engine could be powered off the same fuel it gives us a much wider choice of cars.

 

Sorry that is a bit off topic.

 

In Australia I have seen a few old diesel vans run off vegetable oil and they smell completely different when they go past.  Is bio diesel an option for modern cars?

On 18/10/2017 at 22:35, Gwald said:

 

I just wasn't bowled over with the performance like I expected to be, lacked the low down grunt of the D which I think for the kind of driving I do is more suited.

Surely you need to compare a remapped petrol to your tuning boxed diesel, otherwise it's no wonder you were underwhelmed. The petrol when ramapped  generates similar torque at around 430Nm or so, and of course holds onto to it for much longer. A remapped petrol would trounce the diesel. 

28 minutes ago, ChrisWells said:

My preferred option in Hydrogen but I expect will never take of as people think it is too dangerous etc.  BMW have been running internal combustion engines off hydrogen for years and all that comes out of the exhaust is water vapour.  The cars sound and perform like a petrol car.  Seeing some solutions for a decent range in an electric engine car is a Hydrogen Fuel cell I think a future with Hydrogen stations generating the Hydrogen from solar (lets convert every road to solar panels and connect them to the hydrogen stations) then if both electric and internal combustion engine could be powered off the same fuel it gives us a much wider choice of cars.

 

Sorry that is a bit off topic.

 

In Australia I have seen a few old diesel vans run off vegetable oil and they smell completely different when they go past.  Is bio diesel an option for modern cars?

Toyota for one believes the future is hydrogen cell, and not battery. 

Id agree with you over hydrogen being a better solution than batteries long term. The only problem with hydrogen fuel cells at the moment is the production of hydrogen. 

At the moment it is made from oil and gas, which obviously is not long term viable, as it is the cheapest and quickest method. Before fuel cells are useful, they need to make an economical way to produce the hydrogen on a massive scale from water or another chemical.

3 hours ago, roo said:

Id agree with you over hydrogen being a better solution than batteries long term. The only problem with hydrogen fuel cells at the moment is the production of hydrogen. 

At the moment it is made from oil and gas, which obviously is not long term viable, as it is the cheapest and quickest method. Before fuel cells are useful, they need to make an economical way to produce the hydrogen on a massive scale from water or another chemical.

I thought that water electrolysis production of Hydrogen was already in use in some countries in the Middle East?

10 minutes ago, SWBoy said:

I thought that water electrolysis production of Hydrogen was already in use in some countries in the Middle East?

It is, but electrolysis is only around 5% of global production. Arguably a hydrogen fuel cell could also be classed as an electric vehicle, given how much generating power we would need to fuel them. 

40 minutes ago, stever750 said:

Arguably a hydrogen fuel cell could also be classed as an electric vehicle, given how much generating power we would need to fuel them. 

1 hour ago, SWBoy said:

I thought that water electrolysis production of Hydrogen was already in use in some countries in the Middle East?

There may well be, but on how large a scale?  and is it economical to do, or is it subisdised? how do they generate the electricity as if they use oil and gas power stations, it's a false economy if wanting to replace oil with hydrogen.

For the scale needed for hydrogen replace the amount of oil and gas used in even 10% cars would use a hell of a lot of electricity. Which there is probably not the electrical capacity for in the UK currently, let alone using only renewable sources which would be the long term solution.   That is what I was meaning by economical way, not that it was not possible to do on a large scale.

On 18/10/2017 at 22:35, Gwald said:

 

I just wasn't bowled over with the performance like I expected to be, lacked the low down grunt of the D which I think for the kind of driving I do is more suited.

 

That's because you expect it to be like a diesel with instant torque. The difference is that you can hold on to the revs a lot longer.  The TSI is plenty quick enough you just need to hit the loud pedal and let it spin up. Smooth and pulls well. 

1 hour ago, Redboy said:

 

That's because you expect it to be like a diesel with instant torque. The difference is that you can hold on to the revs a lot longer.  The TSI is plenty quick enough you just need to hit the loud pedal and let it spin up. Smooth and pulls well. 

 

Temperature to Operating level, foot to the floor, 1st, 2nd, 3rd,  V1 into 4th, just off the red line, rotate, we are flying......................

 

 

 

Edited 22 October, 20178 yr by Auric Goldfinger

7 hours ago, Auric Goldfinger said:

 just off the red line, rotate, we are flying......................

 

 

 

Is there another section of the rev range?