Hello from Mark. This  will be  my first post ever on  here, and it  wont  be any surprise to hear that I'm asking for some  real world  advice regards every day fuel consumption  for a Superb  L+K which  is a  2 litre 190BHP diesel manual hatchback. I currently  have a Superb Executive L estate DSG 2 litre 190BHP. Fuel consumption on it  is  in my view absolutely bloody  appalling at a best of around 31MPG. I  drive it  gently  and dont have lead feet but  would  like to improve on that and a lot of  my  journeys are urban with stretches  of  dual carriageway thrown in for  good  measure. i took it  back to my  local skoda  dealers in Guildford to have the fuel economy  looked at and what they did is  simply  quite appalling.. instead of testing it  properly  all they did was bimble it along a dual carriageway at about  50 or  60 MPH in the  highest gear it  would  possibly  take. After resetting all the trips and  wiping  out all the saved  data I had on there (and therefore all proof) they then came  back to me and said it was doing 49.6 MPG, whats the problem. Any idiot  can fool a  trip computer and  not the result  i wanted..hey ho im not  bitter, (well apart from the fact that the car doesnt  have the spec it was advertised as doing  so and they want  me to stump up £2100 to pay off the negative equity,when its THEM that misdescribed  the car in the first place....

 

So...... If you  have the 190BHP manual diesel  (NOT the DSG,as that drinks  like Oliver  Reed on a  night out) then do please let  me know  what economy figures you are  getting for  it  please.

 

Oh and  thank  you  for  having the patience to read this. I do go on a  bit but at the moment  I'm bloody furious  and feel like  i've been ripped off by the Guildford Skoda  dealer who i deliberately haven't named :-(

Not sure why yours is so poor but my 190 DSG hatch average is always around 50 MPG (mainly on 30 - 39 mile runs so nice and warm).

 

I can eek 60 MPG out of it if I drive like Miss Daisy, the worst I have got is around 44 MPG... this was always down to higher driving speed (I will leave it at that  )

When you say ‘urban journeys’, can you elaborate? How many minutes? How many miles? What coolant and oil temperatures? What average speed? It sounds like you should have bought a petrol mate. My 2.0 TSI 220ps DSG gets better economy than that around town and mid 40s on the motorway. I don’t hang around, either! 

 

PS: Welcome to the forum.  

Edited 25 November, 20178 yr by Rainmaker

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What miles per litre do you actually get from Brim to Brim with a tank full?

 

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Where did you see advertised MPG's for real life cars on a road and not just EU Test figures?

http://skoda.co.uk/pages/fuel-consumption-statement.aspx 

 

Take your vehicle to a EU test centre, run it on their test cycles inside the temperature controlled building,

pump up the tyres, put diesel in the engine oil and it might meet the Published figures.

My one averages about 50 mpg overall. Even with a "quick" run from UK to Spain I was getting mid 50's mpg so very pleased

4 hours ago, mark2jag said:

Oh and  thank  you  for  having the patience to read this. I do go on a  bit but at the moment  I'm bloody furious  and feel like  i've been ripped off by the Guildford Skoda  dealer who i deliberately haven't named :-(

That'll be Lookers then 

Well @ mark2jag I have tested my 190D DSG L&K Hatch brim to brim several times in the past, usually over a week of driving up to 1000 miles, and I regularly get around 48/50 mpg which I think is quite acceptable for such a large and powerful car with an automatic. That's with two up and the boot pretty well full up, and I rarely tend to hang around.  So I do wonder where the idea that  a 190D DSG " drinks  like Oliver Reed on a night out " comes from. The lowest I have noted was about 43 mpg when used over shorter urban distances with a bit of acceleration thrown in, but that's not a brim to brim assessment.

I would have to agree with mark2jag fuel economy is poor but I'm putting this down to the car only having done 1300 miles, I'm currently getting around 38mpg but i do expect this to go up when I get a few more miles on the clock.

Actually I don't have any problem with the mechanic's methodology for testing consumption (high gear, low speed, open road) as it eradicates many of the other factors affecting consumption.

However their conclusion that 50mpg from a modern diesel in those near optimum conditions is just wrong. I'd take it as confirmation that there is something vey wrong.

Looking at claims from other 2 litre diesel Superb on this site, and there are 150 hp versions that would get high sixties at least in similar circumstances and a few 194hp versions would be close but there seems to be a marked consumption penalty for the extra power claimed.

I consider myself an economical driver but I've owned lemons that I could not get near official claims and one exceptionally good car (Skoda of course) where only one tank was worse than the official combined average.

I stick my usual pedantry on this topic here by saying that it is better to check displayed against actual consumption and confirm the accuracy of speedo and odometer.

My most 'lemony' car turned out to be at least 15% worse than the bad figures I got because the speedo was right on the legal inaccuracy limit and the even the odometer over-claimed distance by 5%. Nothing I could do about but subsequently it turned out that Hyundai were rorting consumption figures.

I'd say Skoda are rorting the numbers too. My speedo reads 10% higher than my gps speed in waze.

Not sure what an owner thinks a 'Technician' from a dealership is supposed to do on a road test other than drive a car and see how it goes, they have no equipment to replicate EU Testing that gave the 'Published MPG's for comparison', that would not be on the road, and they are not doing the same as the new RDE.

They have no actual 'mpg' figures that are the expected fuel consumption for a car on a road with a driver, full fuel tank or empty, with optional extras fitted, bits and pieces in the car etc.

ie No real world standard to say if they met them or not.  They can just say to them the car feels OK, and they can take readings from the OBD II Port.

 

 

All the Diesel engine cars that Skoda, VW, SEAT, Audi produce and sell now / Euro 6 Emissions will be going up a VED band on April 6th if First Registered on the 6th April 2018 or after.

They do not meet the upcoming Emissions standard and are not tested under the RDE that was introduced on the 1st September 2017.

 

(I would think that includes the New Skoda Karoq TDI's not yet delivered to any UK Dealerships & ones on order might be arriving after the 6th April 2018, they were tested and type approved a long time before 1st September 2017 and have nothing new in the way of engines or low emissions.)

 

'Simply Clever', the Real World testing has not been done for the current models and the current models produce more emissions on the road than they are shown to under the EU Testing that was done which was not on road.

Under the RDE testing they also produce too much pollution against what the EU Testing at Facilities the Manufacturer choose to test at.

 

 

Edited 26 November, 20178 yr by AwaoffSki

20 hours ago, mark2jag said:

Guildford Skoda  dealer who i deliberately haven't named :-(

There is only the one Skoda dealer in Guildford, so you just have named them.....

 

Everyone's 'real world' is different and in your case you have already said most of your journeys are urban which obviously isn't going to give the best mpg, and as the dealer tried it and immediately achieved 49.6 on the display shows there's nothing wrong with it, but the route and driving style they did was obviously very different to yours where you get an average of 31mpg. When you say ' instead of testing it  properly  all they did was bimble it along a dual carriageway at about  50 or  60 MPH in the  highest gear it  would  possibly  take' - what did you expect them to do, and what figures were you expecting to achieve.

 

On 25/11/2017 at 12:03, mark2jag said:

 

So...... If you  have the 190BHP manual diesel  (NOT the DSG,as that drinks  like Oliver  Reed on a  night out)

Is that the 190 DSG in particular that you are referring to or all DSGs?  After having manual Superbs in the past, I find the fuel economy in my DSG is much better and (if driven sensibly of course) is actually a slightly more efficient system overall than the equivalent manual.

Could you ask the dealer for a lend of another 190 DSG and then see what economy you get on that one? Eg if you get 50 mpg on the loaner then you know you have a specific issue with yours

Right then, Time to reply now  with a  few  more miles  under my belt. Car is now getting  up to 37 MPG. Car had  3700 miles on it  when I got  it but  how  has about 4000 ish miles on. I still think there  is  something  wrong  with it. and I think Skoda/Lookers  KNOW this...they still wont  budge  on the  missing spec saying there was another salesman in the room when I agreed on the spec,but this  would  have  been absolutely  impossible as i was  on  my  own  with the supplying sales guy. No one  has produced a spec sheet that says this is whats  on your  car sign it if  you agree, and if they had  I would definitely  have  noticed  it.....  I havent had to fight too hard to  get a replacement, BUT they still want £2100 to pay off the negative equity rip up the old  finance agreement and start again. Chosen a  1.6 manual Diesel Octavia SE L with a  few   extra  bells and whistles  on it this  time. Lets hope  this  get  better MPG, as  Im not  particularly  wealthy and  dont  wanna spend  an increased proportion of  my  meagre  monthly salary  just  getting  to and from work. ... wait and see time now.... 

 

P.S. have  i  just been unlucky  or  do I get the  impression that having  bought the car their  interest then disappeared, or did their  interest disappear when they discovered they might  have a problem  customer  on their  hands ..They advertise their  motto as "For  you, For life, but  it feels like  F***k you, F*** off.. they really shouldnt  be so sniffy, they  get to make £2100 out  of  me, resell their dodgy car for  almost the same  as I bought it off them from, and  have another sale on their  books.

11 hours ago, mark2jag said:

Right then, Time to reply now  with a  few  more miles  under my belt. Car is now getting  up to 37 MPG. Car had  3700 miles on it  when I got  it but  how  has about 4000 ish miles on. I still think there  is  something  wrong  with it. and I think Skoda/Lookers  KNOW this...they still wont  budge  on the  missing spec saying there was another salesman in the room when I agreed on the spec

 

The only figures the dealer can give you are the ones quoted by the manufacturer which are not "real life".  Have you had it checked out to check that it isn't faulty? EG if the DPF regen is having problems it will be trying to actively regenerate by injecting diesel during the exhaust stroke. Check your oil level to make sure it isn't rising!

 

All manufacturers are quoting unrealistic figures produced in a test lab where the car has been prepared! - eg tyres over inflated, doors taped etc...  I tend to use real life figures quoted by What Car or Honestjohn as a guide

 

Saying that the official figure quoted for my Superb II 1.4tsi is 47.9mpg and my overall real life average is 45.8 mpg (thus far) but I can average over 50mpg on a long run - that's close enough for me. Saying that most of my journeys are 32 miles to work(or back). If I drove shorter journeys my average would be much lower - I barely get over 30mpg for the first few miles.

 

Are you doing proper tank to tank figures as the on board computer can be inaccurate - my previous Superb I 1.9pd was rather pessimistic!

 

Hope the Octavia diesel works out OK

 

 

 

 

Edited 2 December, 20178 yr by bigjohn

Maybe give the car more than 300 miles of use before you decide????

Edited 2 December, 20178 yr by casati

Doors taped or wiper blades removed or one mirror, makes no difference in a EU Test facility on a rolling road doing a set run that a driver follows on a screen. 

The car is not in a wind tunnel.  Oil in diesel engine oil, and tyres over inflated appears to have made differences.

http://skoda.co.uk/pages/fuel-consumption-statement.aspx 

1 minute ago, casati said:

Maybe give the car more than 300 miles of use before you decide????

 

Indeed - just realised that. You reallly need a few tank - tank measurements to judge true real life mpg

As above, all engines are slightly different (and driving conditions/drivers are wildly different), but a new engine isn't any guide to fuel consumption. You're barely half way through your first tank of fuel at 300 miles! My petrol (2.0 TSI 220) struggled to get over 26mpg for the first 1000 miles or so, but now does mid to late 30s pootling about and mid 40s on a run. A diesel will take much longer to run in (and likely won't be fully loosened up for a few tens of thousands of miles!). I wouldn't worry just yet...

 

Edited to add: BTW the DSG is rather fuel efficient. My petrol is a DSG and gets diesel like economy if driven sensibly (which doesn't happen so often haha). The 2.0 diesel DSG courtesy car we had before the Superb arrived did a fortnight's driving or so for us and got very good MPG under all circumstances. Look at your driving style, driving conditions and - most importantly - let the engine run in and get a dozen tanks of fuel worth of brim-to-brim consumption figures before you start to look at economy.

Edited 2 December, 20178 yr by Rainmaker

Which poster has only done 300 miles, missed that one in this thread?

6 minutes ago, AwaoffSki said:

Which poster has only done 300 miles, missed that one in this thread?

 

Good point mate. I just saw the quote of Casati's post referencing the 300 miles and replied from there. OP, what actually is your mileage and how are you testing fuel economy/consumption?

The op said their was 3700 miles when he bought it and it now has 4000 miles on it

Got you, so really not even enough to use a tank of fuel unless it really really is a drinker.

I have after 9000km about 6.2L per 100km which is 45.56mpg. 190HP non DSG. I feel its bit high since my previous OC3 had only 5.2 per 100km 54.32MPG. But that was 150HP 2.0 TDI with 200kg less and 205 width tires...