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Is the dry clutch 7 speed DSG reliable now.

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  • 1 month later...

I have a 15 Octavia dry with 85k had no issues at all so far 

Welcome.

& neither you should have and if you ever do Skoda will have to deal with that even if over 3 years old or 100,000 miles.

 

What engine is yours attached to?

Hi that’s good to know.. I have the 1.6 diesel and hope to get 100-150k over 4 years out of it. But so far so good not had a single issue and it’s used as a work horse, most of the 85k on it has been stop start city driving 

  • 1 month later...

Well seeing as we run a 2010, owned from new, Octavia 1.6TDI/DSG, currently with 120,000 miles on,

and apart from an as yet unresolved software issue, our first proper fault, was this past weekend, when the gearbox started leaking fluid,

apparently an internal seal has failed and the transmission is/was spewing/dribbling fluid out through the breather.

Awaiting an estimate to fix this fault.

marcus

In my third 7 speed dsg and hopefully of putting 100 k miles on it.

Did 100k on the fabia 2 vrs and about from occasional confusion and very rare losing drive completely it was great.

Same for 60k in a 1.8 tsi.

 

All that said I would always made sure I have manufacturers warranty or a good post manufacturers warranty that can cover the 5k cost that failure of the box and clutches can cost as a friends did a few weeks ago!

My last Octavia SE L estate was a 7 speed DSG and I had not a single issue with it, in fact I must admit I preferred that 7 gear over my current 6 gear DSG. Far smoother and less noticeable gear changes up and down the range.

 

I seem to recall the 7gear DSG was reported to be a dry box. Where the 6 is a wet box

4 hours ago, Stonker said:

My last Octavia SE L estate was a 7 speed DSG and I had not a single issue with it, in fact I must admit I preferred that 7 gear over my current 6 gear DSG. Far smoother and less noticeable gear changes up and down the range.

 

I seem to recall the 7gear DSG was reported to be a dry box. Where the 6 is a wet box

 

6 speed DQ250 is now ancient ie 15 years old.  Harms fuel consumption and emissions over manual and has service costs too.

Only car i actual had one in that I felt improved over manual was when the manual option was only a 5 speed and 6 speed day wet was better but that was before 7 speed day became available.

 

There is of course a better 7 speed transverse wet used in other VAG  cars but has not made it in to Skoda Octy. Might be in Superb dsg ? 

4 hours ago, Stonker said:

I seem to recall the 7gear DSG was reported to be a dry box. Where the 6 is a wet box

It's a Dry clutch on the 7 speed, Wet clutch on the 6 speed. A dry box would mean no oil and that would be a problem. The 7 speed is used on lower powered engines, where as the 6 speed is used on the more powerful units.

Cough, cough,

A "dry" gearbox should not be an issue, clutch-pack life wise,

having still got the 253,000 thousand mile Galaxy parked up, on the still functionally perfect, when parked up, origonal clutch,

despite repetitive light towing, interspersed with occasional heavy towing, and all this towing with reasonably re-mapped HP and torque.

Towing across "most" of Europe too, i.e. hot and heavy summer holidays, and a  large roof-box included.

Like showing 125 deg centi, for engine oil temperature, on a very long Spanish Motorway upwith, but the coolant still holding a steady 90 deg centi, cos I was bloody watching

cheers

Marcus

Edited by marcusthehat

I recall it is rated for 400,000 kms. 

 

Most problems i heard is when mated to the twincharge.

 

Tuners reprogram the gearbox software as well as engine control unit.

36 minutes ago, moley said:

It's a Dry clutch on the 7 speed, Wet clutch on the 6 speed. A dry box would mean no oil and that would be a problem. The 7 speed is used on lower powered engines, where as the 6 speed is used on the more powerful units.

 

59 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

6 speed DQ250 is now ancient ie 15 years old.  Harms fuel consumption and emissions over manual and has service costs too.

Only car i actual had one in that I felt improved over manual was when the manual option was only a 5 speed and 6 speed day wet was better but that was before 7 speed day became available.

 

There is of course a better 7 speed transverse wet used in other VAG  cars but has not made it in to Skoda Octy. Might be in Superb dsg ? 

 

36 minutes ago, moley said:

 

 

Thank you both, I now better understand the wet/dry box conundrum. I'd never thought that it was related to the clutch, not the box but now you come to mention it the box would soon seize up without oil or something to lubricate it, keep it cool.

 

I'm heading to the back of the class, I think I left my Dunce hat there :dull::D

Ignoring the DQ200 that has not been in Twinchargers since 2014, or any issues, 2009-2012, or 2013-2015 and the service campaigns, 

 

So the answer to the OP is 'No they are not all reliable.

Those of the 99% that might have no problems is not that much help to the 1% or maybe more that have problems or failures.

 

There are current issues with DQ200 DSG 7 speeds, maybe just not those for the Mk3 Octavias.

Or recent builds....

Certainly with some Mk3 Fabia though.   Clutch Packs / Software.  Max power 110ps......Max torque still 250 Nm, likely less.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/439395-the-story-of-the-famous-dq200-clutch-slip/?page=10 

13 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

There is of course a better 7 speed transverse wet used in other VAG  cars but has not made it in to Skoda Octy. Might be in Superb dsg ? 

The wet 7 speed DSG is in the vRS245

4 minutes ago, themanwithnoaim said:

The wet 7 speed DSG is in the vRS245

 

Cool. Driven with it in other VAG cars, impressed.  

Does it do the coasting function in eco mode?  Unnerving first times it happens.

 

To those of us who have coasted for decades it is finally getting recognition of its benefits.

Edited by lol-lol

10 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

Cool. Driven with it in other VAG cars, impressed.  

Does it do the coasting function in eco mode?  Unnerving first times it happens.

 

To those of us who have coasted for decades it is finally getting recognition of its benefits.

I'm loving coasting in my Octavia SE L estate DSG 6 speed.

 

I even got over 72mpg tother week on the way back from Bridlington:thumbup:

14 hours ago, Stonker said:

I'm loving coasting in my Octavia SE L estate DSG 6 speed.     I even got over 72mpg tother week on the way back from Bridlington:thumbup:

 

I am pleased with my 65 mpg with the 7 speed DSG and the 1.4 TSI 150 hp, pushed very hard, powering up hills, using the 0-60 in 8 seconds, blips to 3 figures it drops down to about 40 mpg .

 

Averaging around 50 mpg overall is not too bad but the small fuel tank on the Octy Mark 3 really ticks me off.  Even when showing only 20 miles range left I can only get in 47 to 48 litres and then the range display rising  to only 500 miles or so.

 

If this newer 7 speed DSG, with its coast function, is as reliable as my previous two that I did about 160m miles in, I will be pleased, and that there is no service costs is great too.

 

With petrol at a around £1.25 a litre  and therefore over £60 per fill up it is good to have a good piece of tech that extracts some more miles from a tankful, without much of a cost, performance or weight penalty.

 

Been looking at the start system including the massive size and cost of the battery,  it looks like it weighs around 20-25 kgs ?  Cost can be up to £200 !  Just replace my motorcycle battery to lithium and save 80% of its weight and it works better too.  All ways to improve MPG like the 7 speeds does which is so good for running costs and reduce emissions !      

If the fuel tank was bigger, you can add 6.2 Lbs of weight for each additional gallon of fuel. Five hundred miles range from a petrol engine car is very impressive, given that the 1.4Tsi isn't exactly slow.

3 hours ago, MoggyTech said:

If the fuel tank was bigger, you can add 6.2 Lbs of weight for each additional gallon of fuel. Five hundred miles range from a petrol engine car is very impressive, given that the 1.4Tsi isn't exactly slow.

 

I think the fuel computer is conservative, with a small c, as 50 mpg should give us 550 miles on an 11 gallon tank.

 

Fuel tanks previously one could squeeze an additional 5 litres in by slow fill or depressing the button in the filler neck so one could fill the expansion area, cannot seem to do that with this car.  

 

Overall very pleased and fillable tank size is a little fly in the ointment.

Edited by lol-lol

The nominal 50 litre tank in the 1.4tsi mk3 can actually hold 55 litres if you have the courage to run it down to that level. Useful to know but probably unwise to test :) 

I think the tank size (and range) is appropriate for this engine but I can understand a petrol vRS owner griping about it.

 

If you were really fussed about it then you could fit the nominal 55 litre tank from a Scout

 

 

I wish the tank was a bit bigger but it isn't that bad.

 

I used to have an early Impreza with a 13 gallon tank and 18mpg, which meant 180-200 miles on the tank to warning light.

2 hours ago, Gerrycan said:

The nominal 50 litre tank in the 1.4tsi mk3 can actually hold 55 litres if you have the courage to run it down to that level. Useful to know but probably unwise to test :) 

I think the tank size (and range) is appropriate for this engine but I can understand a petrol vRS owner griping about it.

If you were really fussed about it then you could fit the nominal 55 litre tank from a Scout

 

Sounds like I have to run it a bit lower ie down to very near zero, also try harder to slow fill more in getting the last litre/pound in to the tank.

 

Might try and put Shell 95 in their rather than Tesco's less good fuel (cannot use Momentum as company complains when that goes on the fuel card, (except with the Fabia 2 VRS DSG which is designed to run on at least 98 octane and if you do not use then fuel consumption suffers (and power).

 

Will work around it, just a bit of a pain when the move from the 55 to the 50 litre tank was just so unnecessary, hardly a weight penalty compared to adding a Stop start battery that weights about the same as a black hole.      

1 hour ago, logiclee said:

I wish the tank was a bit bigger but it isn't that bad.

 

I used to have an early Impreza with a 13 gallon tank and 18mpg, which meant 180-200 miles on the tank to warning light.

 

3.5 litre SD1 Rover,  Three speed Auto, 19 mpg I use to average, near 15 gallon tank so about 300 mile range.  Government paid 63 pence a mile.  Better than the 45/25 p per mile currently paid !  

 

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  • 1 year later...
On 04/03/2018 at 22:56, JohnMorr said:

The dry DSG disconnects the drive completely when your foot is on the brake. My tip for a smooth getaway is to take your foot off the brake, wait for half a second for the clutch to engage then accelerate smoothly away without any jerking.

Good advice - sets off with a jerk (never good for mechanical longevity) if you rush it, smooth as silk if you take the advised half a second.  You don't have to consciously pause, just not rushing it is fine. It reminds me of dealing with driving older manual boxes, where an almost imperceptible pause with the gear lever between gears helped a totally smooth gear change.  As an aside; the automatic coasting functions when the mode is set to 'economy' works very pleasingly.

On 10/06/2018 at 18:41, lol-lol said:

 

3.5 litre SD1 Rover,  Three speed Auto, 19 mpg I use to average, near 15 gallon tank so about 300 mile range.  Government paid 63 pence a mile.  Better than the 45/25 p per mile currently paid !  

 

   Came to Skoda from decades with Audi, most recently A6 3.0 TDI Quattro CVT.  When I first filled that car up from nearly empty in 2012 had to stop part way through filling to check underneath if there was a leak !  🤦 I was filling from empty and had no idea it was an 80 litre tank (17.5 gallons). Diesel must have been at peak price then as it cost over £100 to fill up - averaged around £80 for years after that. The A6 guzzled juice around town but more than doubled mpg on a long run. It was a regular thing to go 50 miles and see the indicated range finish higher than when you set off.

 

 

 

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