Hi all,

 

It's been three months since I bought my 2006 Fabia 1.4 16v Elegance DSG, and needless to say I absolutely love it! However, as nippy as it is, all this has got me wanting more...

 

I'm a huge fan of the Mk1 vRS, but I can only drive automatic vehicles, while I'm not particularly keen on the Mk2 model or any of its VAG cousins. Is there anyway I can swap my engine with the 1.9 TDI or even a 1.4 TSI? regardless of the complications?

 

Budget isn't really an issue, but my preference would be sticking with my Fabia (would be a superior Mk1 auto to mine, but there doesn't appear to be any). Alternatively, what other ways can I boost performance, whether it be remapping or changing equipment, bearing in mind my 1.4 is only 75bhp?

 

Cheers!

4 minutes ago, Spursboy said:

Hi all,

 

It's been three months since I bought my 2006 Fabia 1.4 16v Elegance DSG, and needless to say I absolutely love it! However, as nippy as it is, all this has got me wanting more...

 

I'm a huge fan of the Mk1 vRS, but I can only drive automatic vehicles, while I'm not particularly keen on the Mk2 model or any of its VAG cousins. Is there anyway I can swap my engine with the 1.9 TDI or even a 1.4 TSI? regardless of the complications?

 

Budget isn't really an issue, but my preference would be sticking with my Fabia (would be a superior Mk1 auto to mine, but there doesn't appear to be any). Alternatively, what other ways can I boost performance, whether it be remapping or changing equipment, bearing in mind my 1.4 is only 75bhp?

 

Cheers!

 

Nope, there's a reason why they use the 75 BHP 1.4 instead of the 100 BHP 1.4 engine in the autos. Torque.

 

Seriously, if budget isn't really an issue then buy a quicker automatic car, there are rumours of 2.0 Elegance automatic Furbys but I've never seen one.

 

The best use of your limitless budget would be to simply retrain and upgrade to a manual licence, the world is then your oyster.

Spursboy, is it a Tiptronic Autobox you have and not actually a DSG?

5 minutes ago, sepulchrave said:

 

Nope, there's a reason why they use the 75 BHP 1.4 instead of the 100 BHP 1.4 engine in the autos. Torque.

 

Seriously, if budget isn't really an issue then buy a quicker automatic car, there are rumours of 2.0 Elegance automatic Furbys but I've never seen one.

 

The best use of your limitless budget would be to simply retrain and upgrade to a manual licence, the world is then your oyster.

 

Ha, had a feeling that would be the case. Thanks for your advice!

6 minutes ago, Offski said:

Spursboy, is it a Tiptronic Autobox you have and not actually a DSG?

 

I was under the impression it was a DSG, but it may not be! It's the one in the pic (took it off Google).

It is a tiptronic, not a DSG.

4 minutes ago, Offski said:

It is a tiptronic, not a DSG.

 

Thanks for the clarification - seems to be a four-speed one at that, too. Bought it advertised as a DSG, but either way it's better than the MMT I had before!

Edited 19 April, 20188 yr by Spursboy

1 minute ago, Spursboy said:

 

Thanks for the clarification - seems to be a four-speed one at that, too. Bought it advertised as a DSG but either way it's better than the MMT I had before!

 

No DSG boxes in Furbys, too expensive for a budget hatchback. No doubt you bought it from Norf London Liars Ltd.

Spursboy,

& you are maybe lucky that it is not a DQ200 DSG because those up to 2013 had a World Wide Recall but only a Service Campaign in Europe, 

then another service campaign on some 2013-2015.

 

Best enjoy your car with the engine and box it has if it runs well.

 

Yes DSG's in Fabias, but Mk2 Fabias, and DQ200 7 speed twin dry clutch DSG's.

Then Mk3's and now Mk3 Face Lifts.

Edited 19 April, 20188 yr by Offski

BBZ 100bhp version of the 1.4?

Max torque is same as BBY at 126Nm, just occurs/held higher up the rev range on the BBZ.

Not sure how that would pan out with the autobox, in terms of change points (or whatever you call them), possibly badly.

2 minutes ago, Wino said:

BBZ 100bhp version of the 1.4?

Max torque is same as BBY at 126Nm, just occurs/held higher up the rev range on the BBZ.

Not sure how that would pan out with the autobox, in terms of change points (or whatever you call them), possibly badly.

 

Yes badly, bogging down off the lights and having big accidents badly. Statto.

34 minutes ago, Offski said:

Spursboy,

& you are maybe lucky that it is not a DQ200 DSG because those up to 2013 had a World Wide Recall but only a Service Campaign in Europe, 

then another service campaign on some 2013-2015.

 

Best enjoy your car with the engine and box it has if it runs well.

 

Yes DSG's in Fabias, but Mk2 Fabias, and DQ200 7 speed twin dry clutch DSG's.

Then Mk3's and now Mk3 Face Lifts.

 

Yes, but NOT Mark 1 Furbys, this is the Mark 1 area where we talk about Mark 1's. The DSG box back in the noughties was EXPENSIVE and unreliable, as found in crappy TT's which swapped ends if you looked at them funny.

Yes but the reason they were not fitted was not because too expensive was it, and not not fitted to Furby's, just not to the Original Furby's.

Here we go again, pedantic and ready to correct because Mk1 section, even when talking sharn.

 

TT's then got ballast weights added.  as Skoda did sand backing Mk2 vRS, & also put a spare in the boot as standard,

but not the Polo GTI Twincharger or Ibiza Cupra or A1 185ps.

Mk2 vRS never could be approved for towing as the weights were put on a crash bar.  Ties in with the Towbar thread.

Edited 19 April, 20188 yr by Offski

20 minutes ago, Offski said:

Yes but the reason they were not fitted was not because too expensive was it, and not not fitted to Furby's, just not to the Original Furby's.

Here we go again, pedantic and ready to correct because Mk1 section, even when talking sharn.

 

I wasn't going to say anything, don't be so hard on yourself. Raw post count can really make a difference.

Try to keep being a great help and authority as you are & still sparing then but with more accuracy.  

4 minutes ago, Offski said:

Try to keep being a great help and authority as you are & still sparing then but with more accuracy.  

 

Aye aye Cap'n Hindgrinder.

54 minutes ago, sepulchrave said:

Statto.

The (SSP sourced, so maybe vague) torque graph for an AUA has a minimum shown value of 100Nm at 1250rpm, AUB line doesn't start 'til 1500rpm, again 100Nm. Do they bog down easily at low rpm (<1500)?

Don't have graphs for BBY/BKY/BBZ but assume similar disparities.

Edited 19 April, 20188 yr by Wino

3 minutes ago, Wino said:

The (SSP sourced, so maybe vague) torque graph for an AUA has a minimum shown value of 100Nm at 1250rpm, AUB line doesn't start 'til 1500rpm, again 100Nm. Do they bog down easily at low rpm (<1500)?

Don't have graphs for BBY/BKY/BBZ but assume similar disparities.

 

Cam profile on the 100PS is too aggressive for the auto box, look at the difference in where peak torque is generated, you'd have to drive the 100PS in kickdown permanently to stop it bogging and economy would drop through the floor.

Don't think the OP sounds like he'd be unduly worried about that TBH?

4 minutes ago, Wino said:

Don't think the OP sounds like he'd be unduly worried about that TBH?

 

Agreed, I think he should be more worried about Arsenal winning the Europa league and making Spurs fourth place finish irrelevant. 

The OP has a 75bhp version of the 1.4lt 16v...as Skoda detuned the 100BHP for the auto box...(NOT DSG)

 

& the 0-62mph is 17.0secs -vs- 11.5secs for the manual 100bhp....

 

75bhp @5,000rpm -vs- 100bhp @6,000rpm

126Nm @3,800rpm -vs- 126Nm @4,400rpm

 

I never had my old manual AUB "bog down"...quite the opposite in fact...& I think the OP needs to get a different car if he wants performance....& ditch the "auto box"

 

 

Edited 19 April, 20188 yr by fabdavrav

9 minutes ago, fabdavrav said:

The OP has a 75bhp version of the 1.4lt 16v

I know.

I can read.

I was speculating about converting his car to a BBZ, or a BKY with BBZ bits. He was asking for such ideas, albeit more ambitious ones.

 

 

 

28 minutes ago, Wino said:

I know.

I can read.

I was speculating about converting his car to a BBZ, or a BKY with BBZ bits. He was asking for such ideas, albeit more ambitious ones.

 

 

 

 

I was NOT having "a go" at you or anyone...

 

I was just trying to get the post On topic by restating the basic facts (including the official stats) as to why his engine is slow..

 

as for doing an engine swap...that's fine if you have the time & VCDS to change the dash clocks etc for the imob circuits etc & recode loads of stuff...

 

like I said the OP is far better off & cheaper to sell & get a faster manual car...the autos in the MK1 Fabia are all slow compared to the manuals...

6 hours ago, Spursboy said:

Hi all,

 

It's been three months since I bought my 2006 Fabia 1.4 16v Elegance DSG, and needless to say I absolutely love it! However, as nippy as it is, all this has got me wanting more...

 

I'm a huge fan of the Mk1 vRS, but I can only drive automatic vehicles, while I'm not particularly keen on the Mk2 model or any of its VAG cousins. Is there anyway I can swap my engine with the 1.9 TDI or even a 1.4 TSI? regardless of the complications?

 

Budget isn't really an issue, but my preference would be sticking with my Fabia (would be a superior Mk1 auto to mine, but there doesn't appear to be any). Alternatively, what other ways can I boost performance, whether it be remapping or changing equipment, bearing in mind my 1.4 is only 75bhp?

 

Cheers!

 

At that age the engine and gearbox combo between petrol and diesel is totally different as the engine angle varies between the two (on the petrol the exhaust is between the engine and the front of the car and on the diesel it's between the engine and the bulkhead)

 

The gearbox is a reliable but not very efficient torque converter 4 speeder but this does sap quite a few of the 75 gee gee's.

 

Max torque figures between the 1.4 16v 75 and 1.4 16v 100 are similar but the 100 version is tuned to rev more wheras the 75 produces peak torque much lower down the rev range so better suits the slushbox. The autobox is more of a smaller "Polo" auto box and won't take the bigger 2.0 engine.

 

Why not remap the 1.4 75 engine to suit?

 

Be careful if you EVER consider a MKII vrs DSG 1.4 twincharger! Some are sorted now but many have problems

 

 

 

Edited 19 April, 20188 yr by bigjohn

First of all, I didn't expect the avalanche of responses so thanks for your input everyone! As for Arsenal... 

 

I'm aware that I can upgrade to a better auto, but I was just seeing if my dream experiment was more than the figment of my imagination. A 2.0 Elegance could be a possibility, or even an Octavia 1.9 TDI, but I'd say I'm more inclined to a remap. How much extra bhp will I able to guzzle out if I went down that path?

 

As for my engine code, I'll get hold of it tomorrow. Alternatively, I could just pass manual...