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Edited 25 April, 20188 yr by vrskeith

Hyundai models seem to get better each time.

 

Davy

For many many years I've thought that i20 was quite a good small car to buy, as said it seems to get better and better, which is a bit annoying for someone that bought Ford's and VW's offerings and can't quite get round to considering changing wife's car to one of them.  Some might think eating, or not eating of dogs has something to do with my decisions!  Doing okay in WRC as well, I'd like to see T.N. making it to world champion one day soon!

The sector has moved forward since the Fabia mk 3 was launched, the facelift is a partial solution, but not really a match for new I20, new Fiesta, new Polo, new Ibiza.....

 

So it has to be good value to compete, at least the engine range was refreshed last year, but some of the infotainment is not upto date

 

 

^^^ ? What engine refresh last year? 

the 1.0 instead of the 1.2 because VW discontinued the 1.2's. Now the 1.0 needs refreshed, made to meet the emissions required and WLTP testing.

 

This year the choice will be 1.0 Petrol no turbo or with turbo in different ps's with a GPF.    DSG or Manual. Estate or Hatch & trim choice.

Edited 25 April, 20188 yr by Offski

Looked at tyhe existing i20 a few weeks back and the big letdown was the interior, especially the two tone dash that most of them seem to come with.  If they've got rid of that it will help as the rest of the car was fine.

On 25/04/2018 at 19:12, SurreyJohn said:

The sector has moved forward since the Fabia mk 3 was launched, the facelift is a partial solution, but not really a match for new I20, new Fiesta, new Polo, new Ibiza.....

 

So it has to be good value to compete, at least the engine range was refreshed last year, but some of the infotainment is not upto date

 

 

 

The sector has definitely moved on, but I don't agree that the infotainment isn't up to date. I'd rate the VAG systems, even the slightly dated version in the Fabia, as being better than most competitors. The Kia/Hyundai touchscreen units aren't bad, but the i20 is only just getting Apple CarPlay and Android Auto with this new facelift. I've not used the Fiesta system, but it looks about on a par with the VAG ones, and the Vauxhall one is OK but I found it clunky on a rental Corsa I had last year. 

 

The Fabia's infotainment is no longer class leading, but it's definitely not lacking. Remember you can get the fancy connectivity stuff on it- it's a £400 option called 'Care Connect'. Not that I can see the point in it, but anyway. My friend has a Corsa with OnStar, and says he never used it once the 1-year freebie was up, and he doesn't miss it at all. It was just a novelty. 

On 25/04/2018 at 22:27, skomaz said:

Looked at tyhe existing i20 a few weeks back and the big letdown was the interior, especially the two tone dash that most of them seem to come with.  If they've got rid of that it will help as the rest of the car was fine.

I looked at the i20, we have a Hyundai dealer less than 2 miles from here. I agree wholeheartedly with you the interior was a big letdown for me. Got to admit the new one looks a lot better laid out.

The long warranty is also a big plus. Another area the i20 doesn't match the Fabia is the way it drives and rides according to the research I did.

 

I was similarly put off the Fiesta. They have had some really awful dash layout's but again, the new one looks better.

 

My current Fabia is my 4th. I tried others but came back to Fabia as they do tend to grow on you

30 minutes ago, horkin said:

I looked at the i20, we have a Hyundai dealer less than 2 miles from here. I agree wholeheartedly with you the interior was a big letdown for me. Got to admit the new one looks a lot better laid out.

The long warranty is also a big plus. Another area the i20 doesn't match the Fabia is the way it drives and rides according to the research I did.

 

I was similarly put off the Fiesta. They have had some really awful dash layout's but again, the new one looks better.

 

Glad it isn't just me.

 

I had another session at various dealers this weekend and looked at:

Kia - Picanto / Rio / Venga / Stonic - all ruled out due to rear seatbelts cutting into the neck of my daughter and wife

Nissan - Micra (nice inside but my head touches the roof lining and there was no knee room in the back, although the seatbelts were good)

Suzuki - Swift (ruled out for rear seatbelt as above) / Ignis (ruled out as the 1.2 is gutless) / Baleno (goo don size and roominess but I need a proper drive of the 1.0 Boosterjet)

Fiesta - hate the 'styling' and crap to see out of the back

 

Next is the Ibiza (seems expensive and slow compared to the Baleno but probably has a better interior) or the Fabia (again...).

The Ibiza is a decent little car. TBH if I was buying now it's probably what would get my money- I much prefer the styling to the Fabia or Fiesta, and the Polo is too expensive. A friend of mine has an FR, with the 95PS 1.0 TSI, and he loves it. Plus, you can get the Ibiza with the 1.5 TSI Evo engine!

48 minutes ago, vc-10 said:

The Ibiza is a decent little car. TBH if I was buying now it's probably what would get my money- I much prefer the styling to the Fabia or Fiesta, and the Polo is too expensive. A friend of mine has an FR, with the 95PS 1.0 TSI, and he loves it. Plus, you can get the Ibiza with the 1.5 TSI Evo engine!

 

Ibiza looks spot on. I believe it's on the new platform same as the new Polo, which the Fabia hasn't got?

 

Certainly well liked in the motoring press.

5 minutes ago, horkin said:

 

Ibiza looks spot on. I believe it's on the new platform same as the new Polo, which the Fabia hasn't got?

 

Certainly well liked in the motoring press.

 

It is, it was the first use of it. It's a modified version of the MQB platform that's under the Mk.7 Golf, called the MQB A0. It's also under the Seat Arona, and likely small SUVs from VW and Skoda too. 

I am very tempted by Toyota for next car. 5 year/100k miles factory warranty is a good starting point. Auris being built built in UK is another tick and availability of hybrid is yeat another.  And a brilliant local dealer. Current Fabia hasn't really lit my fire lie my Mk1 vRS. Shame, but dat's life.

Well I've been back round e dealers again and after another look and some drives have settle on a new shape Swift sz5 shvs.  Just missed out on a cracker yesterday though...

Before we ordered the Fabia we looked at many cars including the Kia Rio and the Hyundai i20 clones. Main problems with the Kia were the cost (best discount price for the "3"  was almost £2000 more than the Fabia) and the 1.0 T engine (had less power and much less torque). Then there was the standard plastic seats, cloth was standard on the lower models but if you went up market plastic was all you could have. The i20 was available with the 120 PS engine (but still way less torques than the Fabia 110 PS) and cloth seats so better but it was £3500 more than the Fabia after discounts.

 

Was tempted to wait and see the new Swift Sport but at £18000 list with no deals for a while yet its way over our price for a second car. Even the basic boosterjets are more than a Fabia after discounts.

 

More than happy with our decision.

Kia aka Hyundai have European designers working in their design studios so car designs are finished to a world order. My family 'pool car' second car a 2005 Kia Picanto from new has not been back to dealer for any rectification and the bulbs are original factor parts. If only BL Metros had the same reliability.

The old Picanto's are amazingly well made. A lass I used to work with has had one from new. Last time I saw her, it was knocking on 200k. 

For anyone that doesn't know, HYUNDAI does a discount scheme for government or ex-government workers. That's nice since you don't get any perks if you work for the government, even having to apply for your own job almost every year these days.  If you are ex-government you have to be in receipt of a government pension of any size (state pensions don't count of course). You then qualify for a HUGE discount!  I worked for the government for a short period of time years ago and have a small pension from them. Last year, on a £20k car I was able to get near £4.5k off the price without any haggling! My ex-boss, also an ex-government worker got an amazing deal on a i10 top of the range model. Don't forget that Kia and Hyundai are married to each other and use the same engines and gearboxes, although in differing states of tune sometimes. I've seen inside the engines on many Hyundai's and they are well made, as is the whole car. But it's Kia that has taken over as the NUMBER ONE for reliability in the JD Power reliability stakes. They were second to Skoda a year or so ago but have overtaken even Skoda now! Food for thought. 

 

ps. I quite like the look of the Kia Picanto Xline-s....it runs 15mm higher than the standard picanto and has absolutely everything in it including heated seats, heated steering wheels etc etc. Too many things to mention. They drive amazingly on 195/45 16" alloys and it's a full 5 seater. Does up to 74.3mpg on the 1.2 petrol engine. Gets almost rave reviews...not much different in size to the Fabia hatch in real terms (just a bit smaller) but a really nice car. It's the 3rd generation of the Picanto.

 

Edited 8 May, 20188 yr by Estate Man

Hyundai are probably the best made cars in the Czech Republic, & the manufacturer is prepared to give a proper Manufacturers Warranty.

 

As to the real MPG or ones from tests that are going to be better for comparing car vs car we need to see the WLPT  figures when the Manufacturers are ready to publish them in time for September.

 

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Have Hyundai published the WLPT results yet, or the Co2 g/km figures / VED bands for cars you can buy in Q4 this year or in 2019?

 

I really liked driving a Kia Niro, the 1.6 petrol / hybrid and the autobox were fun when you wanted.

Driving economically was simple without the need to hypermile.

I also like a Toyota Yaris Hybrid for the size in the same sort of class as a Fabia, and its is simple to use, get good economy from 

and not to expensive as a used car.

 

My 2006 1.1 16v 68ps Auto Kia Picanto never gave less than 42 mpg average from a tank full even with short trip cold starts. 

(other than when used autotesting. *Never raced or rallied, one little old lady owner and another driver or 3...*)

It liked new spark plugs, ignition coils, and an exhaust under warranty, brake discs corroded but they were never used much,

as it only covered 26,000 miles in its first 7 years, the OD button was good for decelerating and just the rear brakes used much for hand brake turns.

Leather Steering Wheel, discs front and rear, good heater, demister, and no interior freezing windows or damp etc,

drove just like an original MINI, just keep the foot down in corners and get out of them at the same speed as you entered, facing in the same direction.

Fit snow tyres in winter and go where any other vehicle can as long as the road was ploughed.

http://gov.uk/check-mot-history 

ST06 JJO 

 

Peter Picanto was lots of fun.

 

Edited 8 May, 20188 yr by Offski

2 hours ago, Estate Man said:

For anyone that doesn't know, HYUNDAI does a discount scheme for government or ex-government workers. That's nice since you don't get any perks if you work for the government, even having to apply for your own job almost every year these days.  If you are ex-government you have to be in receipt of a government pension of any size (state pensions don't count of course). You then qualify for a HUGE discount!  I worked for the government for a short period of time years ago and have a small pension from them. Last year, on a £20k car I was able to get near £4.5k off the price without any haggling! My ex-boss, also an ex-government worker got an amazing deal on a i10 top of the range model. Don't forget that Kia and Hyundai are married to each other and use the same engines and gearboxes, although in differing states of tune sometimes. I've seen inside the engines on many Hyundai's and they are well made, as is the whole car. But it's Kia that has taken over as the NUMBER ONE for reliability in the JD Power reliability stakes. They were second to Skoda a year or so ago but have overtaken even Skoda now! Food for thought. 

 

ps. I quite like the look of the Kia Picanto Xline-s....it runs 15mm higher than the standard picanto and has absolutely everything in it including heated seats, heated steering wheels etc etc. Too many things to mention. They drive amazingly on 195/45 16" alloys and it's a full 5 seater. Does up to 74.3mpg on the 1.2 petrol engine. Gets almost rave reviews...not much different in size to the Fabia hatch in real terms (just a bit smaller) but a really nice car. It's the 3rd generation of the Picanto.

 

 

Believe me - you do get 'perks' in Govt compared to the private sector - but that's for a different thread.  ;-)

 

However - re the Kia Picanto - it may be a five seater but only if you have no legs...   my 10 year old's knees were brushing the back of the seat on the new one (without her in a child seat - so it'd be significantly worse otherwise).

Kia Picanto is a direct competitor to the Citigo / Up it is not a supermini. Okay it's well made and the top specs have a decent amount of kit but very expensive for what you get.

 

Interior space is tiny in the rear and the boot will struggle to accommodate a decent size buggie. It's a matter of what floats your boat but in contrast to some others on here I believe the Fabia is far superior in every way and after all this is a Skoda forum and using such swear words as Hyundai or Kia should be BANNED. .

 

 

Indeed, I'm going to wash my mouth out Harry! lol. The Picanto is quite a surprising car. I'm 6'2" tall with long legs. I actually fit in the back ok even with the front drivers seat all the way back and recently covered 350 miles in the back behind the driver in a new i10. But unlike the Citigo/Up/Mi's etc which are only 4 seaters, the Picanto's and i10's are full 5 seaters. The new Picanto's are in fact not classed as CITY CARS, nor are they SUPERMINIS, like our Fabia's. It is designed to be smack bang in the middle and is called a CITY/SUPERMINI CROSSOVER. Ok, some folks won't want to go 100 miles stuck in the back of either, but for shorter trips it's ok or of course with four adults in, it's perfectly ok over bigger distances. Went to Birmingham with 4 of us in the new i10 in complete comfort. A total distance for us of 350 miles for the day. Not cramped, just fine. Skoda Fabia has a bit more room in the back but not that much more.

Further to my post above please don't think i am knocking Kia (or Hyundai) products. In 2010 we narrowed our final choice down to a Kia Ceed estate or an Octavia estate. We tried the Octavia in 3 flavours, 1.6 diesel, 1.4 TSi and 2 litre diesel. The 1.6 diesel was a slug, the 1.4 TSi drove fine and the 2.0 diesel felt very lively. We needed to Elegance trim plus some extras to meet our needs. The Ceed came in one flavour, a 1.6 CRDi and the "3" spec met our requirements perfectly.

 

Forgetting the 1.6 diesel Octavia, price wise after factoring in the Skoda VAT free offer and the Kia £1000 bonus the 1.4 Octavia and 1.6 Ceed were similar in price, the 2.0 diesel was more expensive. Performance wise both the 1.4 TSi Octavia and 1.6 CRDi Ceed were fine. The Ceed promised better economy and since the wife was doing a 40 mile a day commute at the time that mattered. 

 

The final decision came down to refinement, all 3 Octavias we tried were truly appalling for road roar, one was so bad the Mrs wanted me to turn round on the M!, I had to slow down to 50 mph since she was in pain. The Ceed was a nice quiet environment.

 

So the Ceed won hands down, had it 5 years averaged 51 mpg over that period. Had one fault which was the climate stopped cooling at 4 years old. Took it to dealers and expected a bill especially when i was told the condenser had a stone hole in it. But they replaced it with no charge. When we swapped it the new Ceed was too small for us but I called in to see what it was worth advertising for on Autotrader. They bought it back on the spot  for a very good price.

Had a virtually new hire manual Kia Ceed 1.6d in the UK last year in hatchback styling for a couple of thousand miles. I think the basic design was a few years old and in need of replacement and not just a refresh.

Quite comfortable seating, very economical when I got the hang of  compensating for the long gearing and sudden torque drop-off below 1600rpm, the halogen headlights with side-turn illumination were pretty good.

Reversing was a right royal pain, the view out the small high rear window was useless as was the vision to the rear three quarters (thick C pillar and 'stylish' rising side window line). The side reversing mirrors were of the very wide angle distorting perspective and distance, the low resolution reversing camera was useless at night and only useful for straight back vision for less than 5 metres. Reverse parking was a complete gamble and the occasion when I met a tractor with huge hay trailer on a very narrow Dartmoor lane and I had to reverse 200 metres to a field opening to let him pass was the most needlessly difficult reversing manoeuvre I have ever experienced due to the absolutely useless design aspects I've mentioned.

Ride was ok and handling was ok but uninspiring. Decent Michelin tyres fitted but interior road noise seemed actually louder than my own basic Octavia on similar rough surfaces.

Really appreciated getting back in the Octavia 1.4tsi  which for me is just much more enjoyable to drive and windows on the estate you can see out of in all directions.....and so easy to reverse!

 

Edited 8 May, 20188 yr by Gerrycan

28 minutes ago, Estate Man said:

Indeed, I'm going to wash my mouth out Harry! lol. The Picanto is quite a surprising car. I'm 6'2" tall with long legs. I actually fit in the back ok even with the front drivers seat all the way back and recently covered 350 miles in the back behind the driver in a new i10. But unlike the Citigo/Up/Mi's etc which are only 4 seaters, the Picanto's and i10's are full 5 seaters. The new Picanto's are in fact not classed as CITY CARS, nor are they SUPERMINIS, like our Fabia's. It is designed to be smack bang in the middle and is called a CITY/SUPERMINI CROSSOVER. Ok, some folks won't want to go 100 miles stuck in the back of either, but for shorter trips it's ok or of course with four adults in, it's perfectly ok over bigger distances. Went to Birmingham with 4 of us in the new i10 in complete comfort. A total distance for us of 350 miles for the day. Not cramped, just fine. Skoda Fabia has a bit more room in the back but not that much more.

 

Lol, and wash your mouth out you should..   

 

Fair enough if you like the 'jelly mould' styling inside and out of the Picanto. Personally I couldn't live with it . VW have it cracked imo when it comes to styling across all models VW /Audi/Skoda.

 

Not sure about the 'Crossover', all the motoring media place the Picanto in the City Car category where it competes with other such entry level models of other makes.?

 

Harry