Yeti 1.8TSi brand new engine - a success story!!!!

[xman]

23 minutes ago, Yetski said:

Hi,

 

 I purchased my Yeti from Marlborough Cars, Isleworth back in 2013 

 

 

Do I have any consumer rights whatsoever?

 

 

 

 

Not with regard to your purchase in 2013. The maximum six months has elapsed long ago.

[aka_pseudonym]

29 minutes ago, Yetski said:

Hi,

 

 I purchased my Yeti from Marlborough Cars, Isleworth back in 2013 

 

 

Car is 2011 1.8 TSi

 

I’m aware of the issue but wanted to know if anyone has had this lately

 

ive got the dreaded piston oil leak issue (I think)

 

2 litres of oil every 400miles

 

tailpipe is really sooty

 

been ignoring for a while but can’t anymore 

 

 

 

Looking at getting not getting issue diagnosed for ££££ and just getting a recon'd engine and paying £3.5 -4k for whole job

 

Before I do this ...

 

Do I have any consumer rights whatsoever?

 

Many thanks

 

 

 

I would doubt it, sorry.  Way too much time has passed I think.  But there's a lot along the lines of "goods fit for purpose" in the Consumer Rights Act so I'd suggest a call to the RAC legal services just to check.  It's a free service and you didn't have to be a member when I used them.

 

Also beware - the chain tensioner needs oil pressure to function.  If the chain starts jumping links the pistons will eventually hit the valves and that'll be it.  That's what happened to mine.  The repair "kit" includes latest spec pistons, rings, conrods, chain and tensioner and might be a cheaper alternative to a reconditioned engine.

 

Good luck.

 

And so all is not totally depressing - have you noticed that second hand prices for petrol 4x4 Yeti's are going UP?  I reckon mine is possibly worth £2k+ more now than I paid for it three and a half years ago.

 

 

[Yetski]

3 minutes ago, aka_pseudonym said:

 

I would doubt it, sorry.  Way too much time has passed I think.  But there's a lot along the lines of "goods fit for purpose" in the Consumer Rights Act so I'd suggest a call to the RAC legal services just to check.  It's a free service and you didn't have to be a member when I used them.

 

Also beware - the chain tensioner needs oil pressure to function.  If the chain starts jumping links the pistons will eventually hit the valves and that'll be it.  That's what happened to mine.  The repair "kit" includes latest spec pistons, rings, conrods, chain and tensioner and might be a cheaper alternative to a reconditioned engine.

 

Good luck.

 

And so all is not totally depressing - have you noticed that second hand prices for petrol 4x4 Yeti's are going UP?  I reckon mine is possibly worth £2k+ more now than I paid for it three and a half years ago.

 

 

Many thanks for replying will all that info. Are you saying there is more to consider than just paying £1600 odd for a recon'd engine online (247spares) ?

The car drives as smooth as it did when I first got it, all thats gone wrong with it was a clutch release bearing a few years back (£800) and the odd coil pack replacement - it still drives superb and pulls like a train

 

 

[muddyjim]

1 hour ago, aka_pseudonym said:

 

 But there's a lot along the lines of "goods fit for purpose" in the Consumer Rights Act so I'd suggest a call to the RAC legal services just to check. 

 

 

As the purchase was made in 2013 I guess the Consumer Rights Act (2015) won't apply, it would instead have fallen under the previous Sale of Goods Act - which wasn't as much help for the consumer?

[aka_pseudonym]

22 minutes ago, Yetski said:

Many thanks for replying will all that info. Are you saying there is more to consider than just paying £1600 odd for a recon'd engine online (247spares) ?

The car drives as smooth as it did when I first got it, all thats gone wrong with it was a clutch release bearing a few years back (£800) and the odd coil pack replacement - it still drives superb and pulls like a train

 

 

 

Well this is just my personal way of looking at it - I'm sure others might well disagree!  Obviously with mine I was within the one month/six month window and Skoda eventually capitulated and it got a new engine, but I had a lot of time thinking about alternatives while they were all arguing about who should or shouldn't pay.

 

1) You'll have no idea whether the "reconditioned" engine is going to last.  But if you get yours reconditioned you'll know what has been replaced with what, and therefore you'll have faith it'll last.  I think "reconditioning" for some suppliers just means cleaning off the thing with a bit of gunk and checking cylinder pressures etc.  It won't necessarily mean it'll be fitted with the revised parts which by all accounts are good.  VW had so many of these engines fail - mainly because of the piston/rings design - that they did a good job of rectifying the early faults.

 

2) The engines are very common - fitted in VW's, Audi's, Skodas and Seats.  They aren't some black-arts supercharged specialist unit with counter-rotating balancing shafts etc!  It doesn't need a Skoda dealer to sort it out - that would really only apply if it were being done under warranty.  There are far better independent mechanics about anyway!  I have a garage 50 miles from me (mid Wales) who used to be an approved Subaru Service place - the mechanics there have probably forgotten more than a lot of Skoda Dealer mechanics have ever learnt.  I would have given mine to them for a rebuild which they probably could have completed in a week (in between sorting rally cars).

 

3)  The engine could probably be rebuilt in situ although some mechanics would possibly prefer to remove it from the car.  It would only be a matter of head off and sump off to change the pistons and con-rods.  I think the timing gear is accessible from under the bonnet.

 

4) I don't know how much the parts would come to - I'd guess around £500-£750.  That particular garage I've mentioned charges £65 per hour, the nearest Skoda dealer to me charges £135 per hour.  So all things considered the final bill might not be far off the cost of a "reconditioned" engine unfitted.  But the big plus side would be that you'd know what had been done to your engine, know the work was good.

 

5) My brother once had an Alfa 145 Cloverleaf and blew up the engine.  He bought a reconditioned one to replace it which was well down on power from the start and also blew up 6 months later.  So I'm a bit biased where reconditioned engines are concerned.

 

6) Any independent garage that says it "specialises" in VW's or Audi's should be able to give you a quote for a rebuild over the phone because these 1.8TSi engine problems are so common.  I'd certainly get a quote or two to compare with the £1,600 for a reconditioned unit.

 

7)  I wouldn't procrastinate for too long!

 

Just my way of looking at it obviously, but I hope that helps..

 

 

 

 

[Yetski]

57 minutes ago, aka_pseudonym said:

 

Well this is just my personal way of looking at it - I'm sure others might well disagree!  Obviously with mine I was within the one month/six month window and Skoda eventually capitulated and it got a new engine, but I had a lot of time thinking about alternatives while they were all arguing about who should or shouldn't pay.

 

1) You'll have no idea whether the "reconditioned" engine is going to last.  But if you get yours reconditioned you'll know what has been replaced with what, and therefore you'll have faith it'll last.  I think "reconditioning" for some suppliers just means cleaning off the thing with a bit of gunk and checking cylinder pressures etc.  It won't necessarily mean it'll be fitted with the revised parts which by all accounts are good.  VW had so many of these engines fail - mainly because of the piston/rings design - that they did a good job of rectifying the early faults.

 

2) The engines are very common - fitted in VW's, Audi's, Skodas and Seats.  They aren't some black-arts supercharged specialist unit with counter-rotating balancing shafts etc!  It doesn't need a Skoda dealer to sort it out - that would really only apply if it were being done under warranty.  There are far better independent mechanics about anyway!  I have a garage 50 miles from me (mid Wales) who used to be an approved Subaru Service place - the mechanics there have probably forgotten more than a lot of Skoda Dealer mechanics have ever learnt.  I would have given mine to them for a rebuild which they probably could have completed in a week (in between sorting rally cars).

 

3)  The engine could probably be rebuilt in situ although some mechanics would possibly prefer to remove it from the car.  It would only be a matter of head off and sump off to change the pistons and con-rods.  I think the timing gear is accessible from under the bonnet.

 

4) I don't know how much the parts would come to - I'd guess around £500-£750.  That particular garage I've mentioned charges £65 per hour, the nearest Skoda dealer to me charges £135 per hour.  So all things considered the final bill might not be far off the cost of a "reconditioned" engine unfitted.  But the big plus side would be that you'd know what had been done to your engine, know the work was good.

 

5) My brother once had an Alfa 145 Cloverleaf and blew up the engine.  He bought a reconditioned one to replace it which was well down on power from the start and also blew up 6 months later.  So I'm a bit biased where reconditioned engines are concerned.

 

6) Any independent garage that says it "specialises" in VW's or Audi's should be able to give you a quote for a rebuild over the phone because these 1.8TSi engine problems are so common.  I'd certainly get a quote or two to compare with the £1,600 for a reconditioned unit.

 

7)  I wouldn't procrastinate for too long!

 

Just my way of looking at it obviously, but I hope that helps..

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for such a detailed reply, really appreciate - Im half in mind now to sell it with the problem - webuyanycar quoted me just over 4250 with the issue (its done 60k) so may just take them up on that 

[aka_pseudonym]

4 minutes ago, Yetski said:

 

Thank you for such a detailed reply, really appreciate - Im half in mind now to sell it with the problem - webuyanycar quoted me just over 4250 with the issue (its done 60k) so may just take them up on that 

 

Fair enough.  As I said before they seem to be selling for a lot now on Autotrader - possibly £7,500 or more for yours - so that'd be room for them to sell it on to someone who will do the engine rebuild and then still make a profit afterwards.  In my situation four wheel drive is an absolute must and the petrol Yeti is about the only option available which is a proper 4x4 as opposed to a glorified chelsea tractor or something the size of a tank.  Good luck whatever you do.

 

 

[Yetski]

46 minutes ago, aka_pseudonym said:

 

Fair enough.  As I said before they seem to be selling for a lot now on Autotrader - possibly £7,500 or more for yours - so that'd be room for them to sell it on to someone who will do the engine rebuild and then still make a profit afterwards.  In my situation four wheel drive is an absolute must and the petrol Yeti is about the only option available which is a proper 4x4 as opposed to a glorified chelsea tractor or something the size of a tank.  Good luck whatever you do.

 

 

 

Having said I have just emailed a load of VAG specialists in my area (this lot look promising http://www.audivwspecialistleatherhead.co.uk/info2.cfm?info_id=198615) so will wait and see - my goal is to keep it as like you say (despite its grandad looks imo) its one heck of a versatile car  

Edited 24 July, 2021 by Yetski

[aka_pseudonym]

39 minutes ago, Yetski said:

 

Having said I have just emailed a load of VAG specialists in my area (this lot look promising http://www.audivwspecialistleatherhead.co.uk/info2.cfm?info_id=198615) so will wait and see - my goal is to keep it as like you say (despite its grandad looks imo) its one heck of a versatile car  

 

I like the oily hands in the picture on your link - proper mechanic definitely!

 

You say "despite its grandad looks" but look what's being produced now - I'm not so sure that that shouldn't be "despite its long before its time" looks.  What do these remind you of:

 

2022 Land Rover Discovery:

 

 

 

 

2020 Kia something-or-other:

 

 

Both uglier of course but you'll get my point.

 

 

[Yetski]

4 minutes ago, aka_pseudonym said:

 

I like the oily hands in the picture on your link - proper mechanic definitely!

 

You say "despite its grandad looks" but look what's being produced now - I'm not so sure that that shouldn't be "despite its long before its time" looks.  What do these remind you of:

 

2022 Land Rover Discovery:

 

 

 

 

2020 Kia something-or-other:

 

 

Both uglier of course but you'll get my point.

 

 

 

Agreed, they are horrendous looking but I guess thats electric cars in general

[Rustynuts]

 

On 24/07/2021 at 18:59, aka_pseudonym said:

 

I like the oily hands in the picture on your link - proper mechanic definitely!

 

 

 

It's a stock photo from Google, not any specific mechanic I'm afraid.

Edited 26 July, 2021 by Rustynuts

[aka_pseudonym]

3 minutes ago, Rustynuts said:

 

It's a stock photo from Google, not any specific mechanic I'm afraid.

 

Ah, good spot!  The socket wrench did make me wonder, certainly not Snap-On.  I actually have one like it in 3/8" and it has lasted for decades but it's irritating - you have to give a quarter turn to the plastic centre on the top to change from undo to do-up or vice-versa - but it's a clockwise turn to change to undo (anti-clockwise) and an anti-clockwise turn to change to do-up (clockwise).  Unintuitive to put it mildly.  I've often wished it'd bust so I could throw it away but it never has.

 

[2stroke]

On 24/07/2021 at 15:52, aka_pseudonym said:

The factory 1.8 TSI  repair "kit" includes latest spec pistons, rings, conrods, chain and tensioner.

What are the VAG part # for this repair kit ? 

[aka_pseudonym]

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Edited 21 October, 2021 by aka_pseudonym

[aka_pseudonym]

1 hour ago, 2stroke said:

What are the VAG part # for this repair kit ? 

 

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  It isn't a single part number.  It's the list of parts to be replaced when a factory approved repair is carried out.

[Ootohere]

Bump for the new member from Australia. 

[2stroke]

On 21/10/2021 at 16:24, aka_pseudonym said:

It isn't a single part number. 
It's the list of parts to be replaced when a factory approved repair is carried out.

OK, but do you have a list of what parts and what part #'s that are involved ? 

[aka_pseudonym]

1 hour ago, 2stroke said:

OK, but do you have a list of what parts and what part #'s that are involved ? 

 

No, sorry, I don't.

[Yetski]

Update: Not a lot as happened as been busy with work but the time has now come to get this all sorted once and for all - compounded by the fact that Autoglass replaced the windscreen for a chip last summer and the rear view mirror was found to be hanging by its cables yesterday morning 🥵 

 So as well starting to get new engine rebuilding quotes I now have find someone who can reconnect the rear view mirror 

 

Ive disconnected the mirror from the loom but wondering who could stick it back on??

 

 

 

[Yetski]

Back to the Engine Issues

 

In Summary - 1.8 TSi 4x4 2010 (118kW)

Engine Number CDA 18****

Oil is 5w-40 Synthentic

Oil Consumed is 2 litres every 400miles

 

If asking for a quote on an engine rebuild what exactly am I asking for? Rings/Conrods/Pistons? New Chain?

 

What am I looking these days? £2.5 - 3k?

 

This is the current state with the cover off - looks like there's lots of oil leakage?

 

 

 

 

Edited 20 February by Yetski

[Ootohere]

Indeed it looks like a lot of oil leaking.  Where from when cleaned up?

 

That is not what the issue usually is with Euro 5 1.8 or 2.0 TSI,s,  They can use oil and no mess. 

[Yetski]

4 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Indeed it looks like a lot of oil leaking.  Where from when cleaned up?

 

That is not what the issue usually is with Euro 5 1.8 or 2.0 TSI,s,  They can use oil and no mess. 

 

Possible Head gask?

[2stroke]

1 hour ago, Yetski said:

Back to the Engine Issues

 

Engine:   ( 2010 ) 1.8 TSi ( 118 kW )

Engine code:   CDA

Engine Oil:   5w-40   Fully Synthentic.

Oil consumption:  2 litres every 400 miles.

 

If asking for a quote on an engine rebuild what exactly am I asking for ?
Rings / Conrods / Pistons / New Chain / etc.  ?

 

Actually 2 completely different and independent problems.

* 1. Problems are with the factory fitted pistons piston ring groove design and piston ring design ( poor and wrong design ).
       ----> Solution. Install completely new pistons with a different design of both piston ring grooves and piston rings.
     No problems with the conrods.

* 2. Fit a new timing chain with all associated wear parts.


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[Yetski]

53 minutes ago, 2stroke said:

Actually 2 completely different and independent problems.

* 1. Problems are with the factory fitted pistons piston ring groove design and piston ring design ( poor and wrong design ).
       ----> Solution. Install completely new pistons with a different design of both piston ring grooves and piston rings.
     No problems with the conrods.

* 2. Fit a new timing chain with all associated wear parts.


.

 

 

Thanks, would the mechanic need some of blueprint/part numbers to make the required changes etc rather than just replacing what’s already there with the same parts?

 

 

Edited 20 February by Yetski

[aka_pseudonym]

56 minutes ago, Yetski said:

Thanks, would the mechanic need some of blueprint/part numbers to make the required changes etc rather than just replacing what’s already there with the same parts?

 

 

 

I'm sure the original, badly designed parts would be unavailable.  The VAG parts list would say "superceded by ....."

 

The chain tensioner uses oil pressure to work.  That's why the chain runs slack when the piston ring slots line up - as 2stroke said it's very poor design.  Once the oil pressure gets too low there's a chance the chain can jump its sprockets and then armagheddon follows.  The design of the chain tensioner was changed at the same time as the pistons so that should be replaced along with the chain too.