Citigo Electric

[shyVRS245]

6 minutes ago, Skoffski said:

@Ronn  there will be many UP!MiiCitigo owners that will be interested, not that really there are all that many Citigo owners as it was and is not a volume seller.

 

Many others are waiting foe City Cars / Small car EV's that are affordable. As i  affordable to them and suitable for their use or needs.

 

Some people will just pay the Monthlies, look at not buying fuel other than Electricity, and having reduced servicing costs if any.

 

Just as well there are people that buy or lease new or there would be no Used Cars for those that want to buy those.

What ruins the Renault Zoe is not the purchase price or the range (it is a city car therefore perfect) but the silly cost of renting the batteries which varies depending on the mileage you do (how long is a piece of string).

[Ootohere]

How cheap are they? 

Pretty cheap when i look, i took out to try, used actually with batteries, not a battery lease.

[Ronn]

Skoffski,

 

Another advantage of Petrol powered cars is - I can easily carry 2 gallons of Petrol in the boot of my car just incase I run out of Petrol miles from a garage.

(Highly unlikely I know, infarct it's NEVER happened to me).

 

Can EV owners carry spare batteries to plug in if they run out miles from a charge point.

 

No, of course they can't!

They are shafted!!!

[Ootohere]

@Ronn  EV's are not for you obviously.   

 You live in England, drive in the UK, so do others you are in the 21st century and apparently still thinking War Rationing, and petrol coupons, but that might come, just next week.

 

Someone that might have to travel where there is Congestion Charges to get to their work or uses a car to get in and out of congestion charge areas or where parking can be expensive might really see the actual cost to them of a cheap used EV and the Battery lease. 

Edited 7 April, 2019 by Skoffski

[Ronn]

Skoffski, you told me you lives in Britain in a previous text.

You were obviously telling me a lie!

How can I believe of trust what you say in the future!

 

All the restrictions on Petrol Cars are man made restrictions.

They are not ordained by God just stupid politicians & councillors.

These people are no better than I am, in fact they are probably thick & stupid.

I am not a sheep like most of the Europeans are I know that EV cars are NOT advanced enough to spend your money on in 2019.

 

In 5 years they may be.

[Jonny118118]

22 hours ago, Ronn said:

Skoffski,

 

Another advantage of Petrol powered cars is - I can easily carry 2 gallons of Petrol in the boot of my car just incase I run out of Petrol miles from a garage.

(Highly unlikely I know, infarct it's NEVER happened to me).

 

Can EV owners carry spare batteries to plug in if they run out miles from a charge point.

 

No, of course they can't!

They are shafted!!!

No, but theoretically speaking, they could carry a generator to charge themselves on the go 

[mrgf]

8 minutes ago, Jonny118118 said:

No, but theoretically speaking, they could carry a generator to charge themselves on the go 

 

Just like the so-called London Taxi, then? They have just that. They run on battery for around 80 miles and then need to be constantly charged by generator or as us old fossil fuel burners call it, AN EFFIN ENGINE!

 

Cabbies drive around 200 miles in a day, round and round the city and get away with paying the congestion charge for the congestion and pollution they themselves make up around 25% of. Go figure! (I myself, smell the aroma of palms being well and truly greased).

 

Congestion charge? Corruption charge is closer the truth!

[Emil]

On 07/04/2019 at 19:01, Ronn said:

Skoffski,

 

Another advantage of Petrol powered cars is - I can easily carry 2 gallons of Petrol in the boot of my car just incase I run out of Petrol miles from a garage.

(Highly unlikely I know, infarct it's NEVER happened to me).

 

Can EV owners carry spare batteries to plug in if they run out miles from a charge point.

 

No, of course they can't!

They are shafted!!!

No one carries petrol in the boot. That's just stupid thing to do unless you live in Timbuktu like Ronne. 

 

So Ronne: Do you really think that no one should buy EV? How do car manufacturers develop electric cars if no one buys them? It may not concern you but some of us believe me. 

[Ronn]

Ronne here!

Of course people should buy the fledgling EV vehicles.

I admire their pioneering spirit.

Don't forget, they are the 'Guinea Pigs' developing a new technology and suffering the poor mileage & stress until manufacturers can produce an EV car with proper mileage between charges.

I respect the good work they are doing on behalf of EV car development.

After all, somebody has to be sacrificed in the interests of new technology.

 

Now let's talk about the London Rip Off charge & the Mayor. 

 

Bet the London Major is 'coining it in'.

All the rubbish he quotes about being 'a Socialist' 

A Socialist would only take the UK average wage & give the rest to the Homeless.

I don't do that - that's why I'm NOT a Socialist & don't want to be!

But, I'm no Hypocrite either like all the Champagne Socialists we have in the UK.

You have to admire Corbyn, at least he still lives in a Lonon Council House in a deprived, rundown area of London.

He's a true Socialist living amongst the lower strata of Society.

[Ronn]

Captain Ronne here!

 

The Sun has got his Hat On, Hip Hip Hip Hurray! 

[Ootohere]

Maybe KIA will eventually do a Picanto sized EV.

Edited 9 April, 2019 by Skoffski

[Ronn]

Good morning Skoffski, lovely to hear from you.

 

Yes, no doubt they will!

All car manufacturers are racing now to get a fleet of practical EV's in their fleet.

This is only good news for the buyers.

 

Kia have always had a 'down market' stygma attached to their products, the car buying public are very sniffy with brands such as Kia, Hyundai in the past.

Hyundai own Kia and both companies make extremely good cars, in fact both companies are at the forefront of EV development in the world market place.

I previously had a Hyunda i10, couldn't fault it!

I've also had brand new Audi A1, Audi TT & BMW series 1 'Rag Top'.

Audi's are also great cars.

TBH, the BMW series 1 was the most disappointing car I've ever had!

Extremely expensive, few 'extras' as std, not even any front fog/spots as std.

I don't understand where BMW get their following, I certainly wouldn't buy another BMW.

I NEVER buy Ford or Vauxhall cars.

I did have a Ford I MK1 Escort in way back in 1971.

I had to replace the clutch about every 13000/15,000 miles, (did it myself in the garage - I was poor in those days), I replaced 3 Clutches & then, the Gearbox went at 53,000 miles.

When I bought a recon Gearbox & replaced the original (again by myself), I found that the original Gearbox Bell Housing face on the old Gearbox had NOT been machined at 90 Deg to the Gearbox Output Shaft, thus wearing the clutches out due to 'side loading' of the Clutc Plate.

After changing the Gearbox, I had no further trouble with worn out clutches.

That's Ford workmanship & quality for you in the 1970's, - 'Poor'.

I've NEVER bought another Ford since.

 

Edited 9 April, 2019 by Ronn

[Ootohere]

My 1970's ,80's & 90's Fords were problem free, all automatics, only my 2002 Transit Durashift was a problem.

I really do not think about what some manufacturer did 3 or 4 decades back when getting a car.

If people did that, even thinking 1 decade back with VW Group they would never have got to be the biggest car manufacturer in the world.

But then 4 years back that was short lived when the Cheating was exposed.

 

KIA will be the best car manufacturer in the Czech Republic though, and maybe Hyundai in Slovakia and even though the EV's they are selling might not be to everyones liking they are available and not just something the media department spin about being available sometime maybe.

Being prepared to give a good length of warranty cover is nice, but which is something VW Group seem not prepared to do without it having to be paid for.

Edited 9 April, 2019 by Skoffski

[Jonny118118]

Honda’s EV looks interesting. Kinda looks like an old VW classic golf but with a modern twist inside. And as always, Honda have good reliability

[Ootohere]

That was how they first showed it, and then on page 5 here in the video the more recent reveal.

Just need to wait to see what the production model actually is and how much it will cost.  They will not be a Budget EV, that is for sure.

The range from the battery that is being talked about with them really will not be practical for many, but no doubt they will have no problem selling as many as they build.

Edited 9 April, 2019 by Skoffski

[Ronn]

Well, we all know VW are tight when it comes to 'money'.

Always have been!

 

I'm a bit unsure about these extended warranty's some car manufactures are giving with new cars.

5 year & even 7 year warranty's.

So, - if they are offering them for 'free', they must know that their cars are of such good quality & are so reliable, they know there's little risk of anything going wrong.

 

Also, isn't there a catch with these warranty's.

Don't you have to continue to have the vehicle serviced at the inflated prices of a franchised dealership for them to apply?

 

I'm sure that if you had you car serviced by a non- franchised professional mechanic who used genuine parts, the long warranty would be VOID.

 

So, isn't it a SPRAT to catch a MAKERELL?

[Ootohere]

I had a 2006 KIA Picanto for 7 years and had no issues with the few things that were needed under warranty.

 

Any restrictive practices with a Manufacturers Warranty like must be Main Dealer doing servicing is illegal in the EU.

With a EV though there is not going to be much option other than a main dealer for years to come when in Warranty.

There are EV Independents around and no doubt as time passes there will be more Trained & Qualified Techs that leave the Dealership Networks and set up in business.

 

I was ready to order my e-Niro but have decided to hold off.  Not being able to fit a towbar is an issue, and i want to see if a Towing Package becomes available with a MY20 Niro Hybrid when they come out.

I like the 1.6 Hybrid. 

 

 

Edited 9 April, 2019 by Skoffski

[Ronn]

Now be very careful jonny118118.

 

Is that a Pic of the VW EV concept city car that they showed at Geneva or,

Is it the 'proper' new VW EV City Car that we can ALL buy straight out of the Honda dealership?

 

Because the Real Thing Production Cars NEVER look as good as the concept cars that manufacturers display at the big car shows, no matter what manufacturer we're talking about.

When car manufacturers put them in production they ALWAYS make them less 'showy' & cheapen them for ease of manufacture.

Like those Wheels, the Head lights & that smoked panel on the bonnet for example, I can't see them being on the 'out of the showroom Car'.

Edited 9 April, 2019 by Ronn

[Ootohere]

The Production model has not been revealed, just this in February.

 

It looks like the panel will be on the bonnet for the charging.

Needs to be someplace, they just need one that can be sitting with rail or snow falling when the car is being charged and not under cover and not filling up.

 

 

 

 

Edited 9 April, 2019 by Skoffski

[Ronn]

Yes, you are correct Mr Skoffski,

 

The production versions NEVER look as good as Concept Cars.

 

They whet your appetite with a Clay Model (or similar) concept car that looks fantastic straight off the drawing board,

Then when it goes into production they alter it's shape to make it more ordinary looking and boring, put some cheap lights on it and it finishes up looking more like an Austin Allegro. 

[Ronn]

You won't go far wrong with Kia or Hyundai EVs Mr Skoffski!

[Ronn]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/5G6JCKdu6csRHwYV7

 

Mr Skoffski

 

 A new EU law comes in 2020.

EVs are so quiet on the road that:

 

All EV's will have to carry a guy with a Trombone in the passenger seat to warn pedestrians.

[shyVRS245]

1 hour ago, Skoffski said:

The Production model has not been revealed, just this in February.

 

It looks like the panel will be on the bonnet for the charging.

Needs to be someplace, they just need one that can be sitting with rail or snow falling when the car is being charged and not under cover and not filling up.

 

 

 

 

Perhaps the Honda badge will open and not be illuminated as on the prototype.

[Ootohere]

Maybe the Designers / Engineers in the Fully Charged vid will then carry out hari-kari

or just sewagecide. (the dirty way out.! head down the toilet lid that inspired the hatch on the bonnet.)

Edited 9 April, 2019 by Skoffski

[shyVRS245]

1 minute ago, Skoffski said:

Maybe the Designers / Engineers in the Fully Charged vid will then carry out harikari or just sewagecide. (the dirty way out.!)

Sounds messy whichever option they go for.