On 13/04/2019 at 03:35, Ronn said:

domhnall,

 

You have an EV because 'it is fun to drive'.

 

Come on!!!

EVs may be easy to drive, EVs may appeal to female drivers.

 

But fun to drive they are not!!!

 

No, No, No No.

 

Any vehicle with an auto box can NEVER be accused of being 'fun to drive'

 

Boring to drive YES, because total lack of involvment by the driver.

A great danger of falling asleep at the wheel I would say.

So, fun the drive No 

Absolute rubbish.

I assure you that the compact EV I drove  50+ years ago, with one pedal, limited speed options and no brakes, were enormous fun.

Spoiled a bit by the man jumping on the back and telling me off for deliberately broadsiding other vehicles.

You should be more careful when driving a Milk Float.

4 hours ago, Ronn said:

You should be more careful when driving a Milk Float.

Interesting you mention milk floats as at the time Britain had the world's largest electrically powered road fleet and they were ideally suited to their urban delivery role.

That is also where an even a limited range EV Citigo would excel. My long term average speed is about 25kph in an urban environment but I have seen as low as 18 kph.

Mild hybrid is probably best value option now but I am very tempted with some sort PHEV 

 

@shyVRS245 my early ev experience was in the euphemistically named dodgem cars

Well, if you're going to talk electric milk floats, I was returning home once about 4AM and saw a flash of something's reflectors as my dip headlights caught them. A little later I discovered a milk float, with no lights on!

20 hours ago, KenONeill said:

Well, if you're going to talk electric milk floats, I was returning home once about 4AM and saw a flash of something's reflectors as my dip headlights caught them. A little later I discovered a milk float, with no lights on!

Probably trying to max his range  

If you'd have hit him KenONeil, you could have emulated Cleopatra & had a bath in Milk.

I will probably buy the wife an EV in the future but I don't like the idea of a bloke standing on the rear bumper hold onto the pole, while she's driving!

Time will tell if they are on sale from 2020 from £17,300 - £23,800

http://carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/volkswagen/electric-vw-up-seat-mii-skoda-citigo

 

Edited 24 April, 20197 yr by Skoffski

Skoffski,

 

I know EV batteries are expensive but, it seems to me that there's going to be a massive Hike in new car prices in the coming years.

New cars will be out of range of the pockets of average earning families with 2/3 kids & Pensioners on small fixed incomes, even the tichy cars like Citigo, Up, etc:

Hope the buses at will be running more often & with more routes.

 

By the way Skoffski, an aquaintance came round to my house the weekend in his Tesla model S.

He took me out for a spin.

Bloody hell, 0-60 in 5.5 secs.

And that's in no way the quickest Tesla you can get.

Other Tesla's can do 0-60 in 2.5 secs.

Musk has got a Tesla Roadster in production, 0-60 in 1.9 SECONDS!!!

 

Unheard of in petrol powered sports cars.

 

Did you tell the aquaintance  what you posted about people like them on here?

Were they like the people you talked about on here?

 

Many pensioners, or people of pensionable age are not that old, or skint, and driving around in some budget vehicles or vehicles.

Loads of wealth in the UK funnily. Home owners, even with 2nd homes, mortgage free and not State Pension dependent.

 

Average 2/3 kid families and pensioners will have to buy what they can afford then. Or not, many will not have cars now, and not in the future.

Remember what makes an average among maybe 50 million UK families and individuals,  high numbers and low numbers.

So if the Average Family Income is £24,000, and a low is £6,000 there will be a few hundred thousand or millions with well above average earnings.

 

All those prestige car showrooms are selling / leasing cars to someone, and all those used cars were new once.

Edited 24 April, 20197 yr by Skoffski

15 hours ago, Ronn said:

Skoffski,

 

I know EV batteries are expensive but, it seems to me that there's going to be a massive Hike in new car prices in the coming years.

New cars will be out of range of the pockets of average earning families with 2/3 kids & Pensioners on small fixed incomes, even the tichy cars like Citigo, Up, etc:

Hope the buses at will be running more often & with more routes.

 

By the way Skoffski, an aquaintance came round to my house the weekend in his Tesla model S.

He took me out for a spin.

Bloody hell, 0-60 in 5.5 secs.

And that's in no way the quickest Tesla you can get.

Other Tesla's can do 0-60 in 2.5 secs.

Musk has got a Tesla Roadster in production, 0-60 in 1.9 SECONDS!!!

 

Unheard of in petrol powered sports cars.

 

 

 

pfft, even my much cheaper nissan leaf does 0-60 in 7 seconds, the 2019 with a more powerful motor should be faster still

 

not bad for a family hatch

 

 

 

I wonder if we are going to experience a breed of 'Super Granny's' in their new EV Micra's, tear arsing around the neighbourhood in the future.

 

 

As i mentioned before there are lots of females in EV's and some will be grannies,

40 somethings and maybe 25 years away from being the pensioners that you reckon can not afford EV's.

 

I see as many Blue / Pink rinsers in the likes of Mazda MX5's as i do in a VW UP! and there are a fair number of those around.

Edited 25 April, 20197 yr by Skoffski

On 12/04/2019 at 19:05, Ronn said:

domhnall,

 

You have an EV because 'it is fun to drive'.

 

Come on!!!

EVs may be easy to drive, EVs may appeal to female drivers.

 

But fun to drive they are not!!!

 

No, No, No No.

 

Any vehicle with an auto box can NEVER be accused of being 'fun to drive'

 

Boring to drive YES, because total lack of involvment by the driver.

A great danger of falling asleep at the wheel I would say.

So, fun the drive No 

 

never spotted this before......EVs don't have an auto box. There are no gears, therefore, no box, auto or otherwise. 

Skoda Official Instagram account

Skoda offi

 

Wheels look big on it! 

Just a car designer thing, draw cars with wheels and near no tyres and wheel arch gaps that bare no relation to what will be produced and on sale by the manufacturers 

and the wheel size will not even be available as an option and not have 'type approval.

(If they did and there was to even be a space saver available the car would need to be a 2 seater...)

 

PS

Why draw mirrors on the cars when others are putting 'rear view' cameras on the doors?

Edited 18 May, 20197 yr by Skoffski

Because mirrors are better and cheaper. I wouldn't buy a car with cameras. 

KISS is certainly a good idea.  Especially with the VW Group who you would think could build cars suitable for cold weather countries seeing as they build them in Slovakia, Czech Republic, Russia, China etc.

But then they fail badly and have for decades with heating, demisting, even freezing closed fuel flaps.

 

Cheap to replace mirrors are great, sadly that ended years ago with electric adjustable and heated mirrors, proximity detect etc.

Mirrors that stick out as the widest point of a car are obviously the vulnerable part, especially those big enough to be most useful....

& not that aerodynamic, and can cause noise.

 

If you are getting an EV maybe best embrace the technology. 

Go with manufacturers that are on 2nd and 3rd generations EV's and have proven themselves.

Or maybe just go with a MG EV.  The Chinese, Japanese, South Koreans know a thing or 2 about Cameras and Electrics / Motors etc,   & sensible tyre/ wheel sizes.

VW Group can not yet perfect wiper motors or windscreen washers. They want to go ID / EV because engines and gearboxes are still a problem for them to get perfect so delete them and maybe everything in life can be reliable a a Up!, Polo, Golf replacement vehicle.

 

 

 

Edited 18 May, 20197 yr by Skoffski

4 hours ago, Skoffski said:

Just a car designer thing, draw cars with wheels and near no tyres and wheel arch gaps that bare no relation to what will be produced and on sale by the manufacturers 

and the wheel size will not even be available as an option and not have 'type approval.

(If they did and there was to even be a space saver available the car would need to be a 2 seater...)

 

PS

Why draw mirrors on the cars when others are putting 'rear view' cameras on the doors?

BMW and Citreon have fitted 20" alloys to some non-sporty cars to improve the looks in the showroom. However when the owners of these vehicles need a replacement tyre they may well be in for a shock unless they researched the cost of replacement tyres before purchasing the vehicles.

Those EU  / continentals are so smart.  Car manufacturing and tyre manufacturing and do it in countries that have low wages, ie last into the EU or even not in the EU.  That is perfected now for their coming soon ev, s.   

Although the design sketch has stupidly large wheels, a quick trawl of the electric cars on sale suggests they tend to be sold with fairly small wheels.

 

Probably because electric car buyers are more interested in range before recharge, than the look of the wheel

 

Does sound like it is getting a new name, not Citigo,  let’s hope Skoda don’t reuse a name like Estelle, or Felicia (or drop the F to make name beginning with E for electric)

 

Actually the wheel diameter is getting bigger as is the tyres, but narrow. 

 (Some Hybrids / Plug in Hybrids have better fuel economy with 16" rather than 18's on the Niro 2, 18" on Niro 3, &16 " on the plug in Niro 4.)

 

The bigger wheel, with EV's &  rolling circumference is about aerodynamics as Electric Car tyre design evolves.

Mountain bikes wheel sizes went 26", 25.5 and now 29" and that is not just about fashion.

 

Look at the size of the wheels on the vehicles that do fuel challenge distance run using a liter of fuel or whatever.

Edited 18 May, 20197 yr by Skoffski

My i3. Has 19” wheels as standard and pretty slim; tyre prices are around £100 per corner, so nothing too crazy. The big issue is there AFAIK only 2 manufactures and whether your local tyre place holds any in stock, may have a 24hr wait on that front.

 

Last tyre I bought for my wife's Citigo cost £34 incl balance and fitting to the car. 

That was 4 mths ago.