https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1038808/Electric-cars-real-world-range-how-much-costs-charge

There's no mention of cost of electricity.

 

You'd be mad to charge your car without switching to some kind of off-peak tariff. My daily commute of 60 miles uses more than what my house would normally use over 1 day.

 

For comparison, my very inefficient Leaf with 1 year of data shows 3.94 miles per kWh efficiency. This translates to 2.54p cost per mile at a conservative 10p/kWh rate. (I pay 8p/kWh during E7 off peak tariff, 14p/kWh other times)

 

So using my data, I'd say the highly efficient Ioniq should be able to get close to 2p/mile

57 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

There's no mention of cost of electricity.

They would have to either pick an average unit cost or have an additional table with all the different unit costs based on region (the variation between regions is surprisingly large, and since we have a National Grid IMHO difficult to justify) and tariff - which would be far too complicated for most people.

 

 

 

19 hours ago, Offski said:

 

 

 

My problem is not the cost but still the range and where to charge up anxiety.

 

The smaller EVs, the Leaf 2 and Zoe ZE40 being the current affordable benchmarks, it is considering the practicalities of doing a 125 mile, 175 mile journey compared to an ICE.

 

Fuel costs for ICE, for may of us serious mileage drivers, is not such an issues due to fuel cards as business tools/perks but effective business transport the EV is not quite there and will not be until those "petrol station" change one or two of those petrol pumps to EV charging stations. 

 

Interesting that the Tesla gets wacked for road tax due to the over £40k rule, that needs to change to promote EVs sales I reckon.

 

I would like to see more about the Hyundai EVs are they are looking pretty good with their bigger ie 64 KWh batteries and we need to see the Leaf and the Zoe (Estate/Saloon version with longer floor pans) get up to the 60 kWh area and therefore 200 mile range even at motorway speeds.   Hopefully in the next few month spec and ordering will be available, some say as early as Jan 2019 but I suspect a couple of months later than that, always better to release EVs in Spring than Winter I reckon.  

 

 

So not time for you to get one yet. Not rocket science really.

 

The little Renault EV might just be what many want or need.

With Skoda not offering a petrol 2 pedal Citigo now they need to move their backends getting a small EV in production.

 

 

 

 

Edited 4 November, 20187 yr by Offski

On 01/11/2018 at 09:23, wyx087 said:

There's no mention of cost of electricity.

 

 

 

Too difficult for you to work out? They give cost and kWh for each model. It works out about 14p/kWhr.

 

Switch to off peak and all your day time units are far more expensive, in some regions of UK off peak period is very short.

 

My fridges, lights, electric cooker, microwave, TV, computer, central heating pump all work during the peak period. At least 3/4 of my annual 2800kWhr consumption

 

Tell us your peak tarrif rates, don't hide them.

 

I'll forget about depreciation for now, even though that's usually the major cost for most owners.

 

 

1 hour ago, Offski said:

So not time for you to get one yet. Not rocket science really.

 

The little Renault EV might just be what many want or need.

With Skoda not offering a petrol 2 pedal Citigo now they need to move their backends getting a small EV in production.

 

 

With Renault and the cheap EV for Europe the plan probably is to get Dacia to make it.  30 kWh would be a backward step.   

Building PSA electric vehicles in the UK might be Simply Clever.

9 minutes ago, Offski said:

Building PSA electric vehicles in the UK might be Simply Clever.

 

Depends if the EU maintains its 10% Ad Valorem import customs duty which would apply to the LEAF 2 production in Sunderland.  EV and other car production at risk from this.

Maybe only Aston, McLaren etc will survive BREXIT bad or No Deal. 

 

The Sunderland muppets who voted for BREXIT, talk about turkeys.  

 

'Turkey' 

Someplace that Ford workers in the UK maybe go or went to on Holiday but not where they wanted their jobs to go to.

2 hours ago, Offski said:

'Turkey' 

Someplace that Ford workers in the UK maybe go or went to on Holiday but not where they wanted their jobs to go to.

 

Turkey is partnered with the EU customs territory ie where most the sales are, something the UK may well not be in a few months time and hence many current UK based manufacturers planning to keep within the EU customs territory and decant from the UK in to mainland Europe so as they stay in the EU customs area.   http://trade.ec.europa.eu/tradehelp/customs-unions  

Edited 4 November, 20187 yr by lol-lol

9 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Turkey is partnered with the EU customs territory ie where most the sales are, something the UK may well not be in a few months time and hence many current UK based manufacturers planning to keep within the EU customs territory and decant from the UK in to mainland Europe so as they stay in the EU customs area.   http://trade.ec.europa.eu/tradehelp/customs-unions  

I used to live about a mile from the Transit factory and drove past it every day on my way to work.

 

Ford moved Transit production from Swaythling near Southampton (closing the factory completely - shortly after investing several million in a new paint plant - and making 500 workers redundant) in JUly 2013 (well before there was any thought of Brexit, let alone a vote), so keeping production within the EU was not a factor in the decision to move production to Turkey it was simply a case of chasing cheap labour.

Jim Ratcliffe of INEOS might have FORD involved in building his planned 4x4, and maybe even go with a EV version as was talked about a few years back.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46070861

 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-43363539

 

 

 

Edited 4 November, 20187 yr by Offski

36 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

I used to live about a mile from the Transit factory and drove past it every day on my way to work.

 

Ford moved Transit production from Swaythling near Southampton (closing the factory completely - shortly after investing several million in a new paint plant - and making 500 workers redundant) in JUly 2013 (well before there was any thought of Brexit, let alone a vote), so keeping production within the EU was not a factor in the decision to move production to Turkey it was simply a case of chasing cheap labour.

 

Absolutely but the fact Turkey was effectively in the EU meant there would not be a grand of import duty by moving to Turkey as it is effectively in the EU. 

Same for Skoda getting investment from VW as Czech Republic and Romania and Dacia.

 

Ford Southampton plant was confined by its space, the land was worth a bit I imagine considering where it is near the M27 and the economic were just not there to continue production of what is a fairly lower margin product.  My firm at the time picked up ex-employees, I think the ex-Ford worked missed the source of cheap personal cars as much as anything.

 

I fear for JLR job up here ie Jaguar at Castle Bromwich and Land Rover at Solihull.  One can see only the F type being produced and no 4x4s or maybe the saloons if JLR cannot start producing better value rear wheel petrol cars.     

47 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

I used to live about a mile from the Transit factory and drove past it every day on my way to work.

 

Ford moved Transit production from Swaythling near Southampton (closing the factory completely - shortly after investing several million in a new paint plant - and making 500 workers redundant) in JUly 2013 (well before there was any thought of Brexit, let alone a vote), so keeping production within the EU was not a factor in the decision to move production to Turkey it was simply a case of chasing cheap labour.

Big business always motivated by cheap labour costs. Massive investment in India and China by most major car companies. Lots of customers to buy the product, not far to transport it to said customer and lots of willing punters to train in said new factories. DYSON to China, what a surprise.

3 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

I think the ex-Ford workers missed the source of cheap personal cars as much as anything.

So true - my Dad used to get generous discounts on Ford cars as his second wife spent many years working for Ford.

Just now, PetrolDave said:

So true - my Dad used to get generous discounts on Ford cars as his second wife spent many years working for Ford.

Upto 40% discount not uncommon in the car industry for employers/families.

Singapore for Dyson the Republic of Singapore.  China is the Republic of China.

1 hour ago, Offski said:

Singapore for Dyson the Republic of Singapore.  China is the Republic of China.

 

Indeed. Workers in the Dyson plants are Malay as it is that part of the Malaysia right next to Singapore.

 

People's Republic of China, PRC.   Lots of the component will come from SE Asia. 

 

Completed my OU degree, paid for by HMRC/pwc with a honours bit of Asian, Pacific politics and economics, so interesting and included Japan, Korea, Taiwan etc, the flying Geese.  The cross investment of higher tech SE counties in to the lesser ones and so on downstream/wind.

 

 

 

IF ,big if electric vehicles were to take over how will the £28 billion from fuel duty be replaced (electric tax) and where will the quantity of electric and charging be found,I think it’s very early days for these vehicles at the moment.

1 hour ago, Sad555 said:

IF ,big if electric vehicles were to take over how will the £28 billion from fuel duty be replaced (electric tax) and where will the quantity of electric and charging be found,I think it’s very early days for these vehicles at the moment.

ALL new homes should be fitted with SOLAR PANELS on the roof and charger boxes fitted on the side of the home next to the driveway so that owners can generate their own electricity.

Not Rocket Science or even Nuclear Science, just Renewable Energy Science and the economy. 

 

 

 

30 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

ALL new homes should be fitted with SOLAR PANELS on the roof and charger boxes fitted on the side of the home next to the driveway so that owners can generate their own electricity.

That's great if you own a NEW home, but the vast majority of homes are and always will be existing homes as the rate of new builds is very low at present. The cost of solar panel installation (and concerns over possible legal issues over ownership vs. leasing affecting ease of selling the house when you want to move) isn't something many existing home owners can afford.

 

The reduction (possible withdrawal in future) of subsidies for EVs and installation of charging points isn't exactly going to help most people with the cost of changing to an EV. The Governments (national and regional) need to define a clear policy to HELP the changeover - and then stick to it

Edited 5 November, 20187 yr by PetrolDave

On ‎04‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 10:37, xman said:

 

Too difficult for you to work out? They give cost and kWh for each model. It works out about 14p/kWhr.

 

Switch to off peak and all your day time units are far more expensive, in some regions of UK off peak period is very short.

 

My fridges, lights, electric cooker, microwave, TV, computer, central heating pump all work during the peak period. At least 3/4 of my annual 2800kWhr consumption

 

Tell us your peak tarrif rates, don't hide them.

 

I'll forget about depreciation for now, even though that's usually the major cost for most owners.

 

On ‎01‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 09:23, wyx087 said:

 (I pay 8p/kWh during E7 off peak tariff, 14p/kWh other times)

 

Thanks Einstein  

 

E7 means 7 hours of off peak. I'm not sure which region of UK you live that 7 hours is different to 7 hours elsewhere.

 

At least 3/4 of your annual consumption is during peak time right now. When you have an EV, over half of your consumption will be off peak. So you do the maths, Einstein  

 

Depreciation isn't a problem for EV, the demand higher than supply for many years to come. I bought my 18k miles '64 Nissan Leaf 24kWh Tekna for £9100 from main dealer one year ago. Someone on SpeakEV sold his 19k miles '65 reg Tekna (exact same condition as my car when I bought it) for £10500 a few weeks ago to a second hand dealer. I'm confident my car will fetch over £8500 right now, £50 per month depreciation.