I specced DCC on the sportline plus combi I've ordered based on what I'd read and the (pretty short) test drive in an L&K that had it fitted as standard. Having read more it seems that opinion is divided between people who say standard sports suspension is better than DCC (in any mode including sport). Main reason for speccing is to keep the family more comfortable (and less travel sick) on long journeys whilst having the ability to make it a bit more exciting when I'm driving on my own. Not too late to change the spec but keen for some opinions from both sides of the DCC fence!

DCC is a good thing. You noticed a marked difference between the comfort and sport settings. And, there is an individual setting where you can mix and match attributes. Plenty to play with.

 

Having said that, comfort is not as comfortable as a Rolls Royce, and sport is not as stiff as an Audi A5. You pays your money and takes your choice.

 

 

17 minutes ago, freelunch said:

DCC is a good thing. You noticed a marked difference between the comfort and sport settings. And, there is an individual setting where you can mix and match attributes. Plenty to play with.

 

Having said that, comfort is not as comfortable as a Rolls Royce, and sport is not as stiff as an Audi A5. You pays your money and takes your choice.

 

 

 

Cheers...I wouldn't kid myself into comparing to a RR or A5, just keen to know whether it was worth the extra cash over the sports suspension!

I have DCC on an SEL. From a simple layman's point of view, it basically feels it has two settings. Softish to slightly wallowy (in normal, comfort and eco) and hard, feel every bump (in sport).

Yes I know there are all those settings but the difference is subtle to say the least. As sportline suspension is even harder, I would say the main advantage would be you probably have an additional rock hard setting.

 

Don't think passengers would appreciate the sports mode.

 

Then again I don't understand the appeal of sports or lowered suspension, apart from the the poser factor and bottom scraping over speed bumps. Must be my age....

I always use it in sport mode, find the others a bit soft and make me feel sick sometimes

 

I do wish it was a bit firmer to reduce the roll in corners but not bothered about lower

27 minutes ago, Bud said:

I always use it in sport mode, find the others a bit soft and make me feel sick sometimes

 

I do wish it was a bit firmer to reduce the roll in corners but not bothered about lower

 

Hmmm any idea how the sports suspension (standard on Sportline) is vs. sport setting on DCC?

Nope sorry

Please remember DCC also works all the time. Profile only selects the preferred way "car" behaves but at acceleration/stopping/turns it also adjusts the stiffness variably depending on G-forces. I can tell you that because I have DCC and when I had temporary replacement car without DCC all forces like acceleration, breaking and turns were much much more present. I drive mine on Comfort/Normal, sports only when really flooring it on winding roads. 

People usually mistake DCC for simply selecting the amount of how much valves are open on shock absorbers, but that's not true. That's why each wheel has sensors for the amount of travel and a additional chassis control electronic controller. 
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/braking-and-stability-systems/dcc
https://www.my-gti.com/2653/volkswagen-dcc-adaptive-chassis-control-design-and-function

Edited 18 November, 20187 yr by JackySi

From the 1st link 

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The Sport mode, for example, stiffens the suspension system and provides greater feedback and steering responsiveness. The result is like driving an agile sports car. So whether you feel like a sharper, sportier drive or just want to settle back and enjoy a relaxed journey, it's up to you.

Not sure i support that perspective for a Superb Estate.

On 17/11/2018 at 12:52, xman said:

I have DCC on an SEL. From a simple layman's point of view, it basically feels it has two settings. Softish to slightly wallowy (in normal, comfort and eco) and hard, feel every bump (in sport).

Yes I know there are all those settings but the difference is subtle to say the least. As sportline suspension is even harder, I would say the main advantage would be you probably have an additional rock hard setting.

 

Don't think passengers would appreciate the sports mode.

 

Then again I don't understand the appeal of sports or lowered suspension, apart from the the poser factor and bottom scraping over speed bumps. Must be my age....

 

I went for DCC for attitude control when having loads and better towing.

 

I agree on the modes - to me it is distinctly

 

S - Slightly teutonic,

N - Wallowy,

C - Very Walllowy,

E - Ancient-Volvo-Estate-with-shot-dampers-from-carrying-organic-turnips-to-market.

 

I am sure it will be fine - but I need to understand the nuances, and the relation to the DSG modes.

 

Thought I was doing really well when the readout said 40mog, then 50mpg, then 60mpg, then at 70mpg I realised it was the odometer I was reading by mistake.

Ferdinand

 

Edited 19 November, 20187 yr by Ferdinand2000

There are just 3 modes of dynamic chassis control (DCC). Normal, Sports and Comfort. You can individually adjust "driving profile" and set DCC to what ever you like. DCC has nothing to do with DSG nor consumption. It simply controls dampening system. It also doesn't really adjust ride height at all. Its not "air suspension".

I disagree about the comfort mode as well. Yes the car wallows but that's normal for soft suspension. Air suspension also wallows on same type of road. On highway when you turn on "comfort" mode the suspension removes 99% of small wallows on the road. Car it self doesn't "wallow" so much. Easiest comparison are "speed obstacles" where on comfort car really wallows a lot, on normal almost nothing (adaptive as I explained) and on Sport nothing at all. Some wallow is normal because the car has long wheel base and the suspension is pretty soft in general.

I will never understand people that comment about how much car wallows with DCC. Soft/Wallowy suspensions were always considered "COMFORTABLE" and TOP of the class (in old cars). They started installing stronger/less wallowy suspension exactly because of too much leaning in turns, acceleration and braking which heavily effected safety. These days DCC doesn't compromise with safety and fixes that only problem that soft suspension had.

In the end, what really matters is that DCC DOES slightly improve safety (car doesn't lean ahead at the emergency braking which allows better brake force distribution) and that you get ability to adapt your ride depending on the mood. After year and 4 months my final decision is that I'm never buying a car without DCC/Adaptive Air suspension ever again. And I have 18 inch wheels that on this car don't feel that big at all. 

P.S.: Forgot to mention, comfort mode on High way at 220km/h (German autoban) made car feel like its in the air on my last trip. I couldn't feel road at all. Its simply amazing. Switching to Sport to test the difference, made me so happy I didn't choose Sport Suspension (that was my initial choice at order wizard). Car felt like its jumping over the same road where before I didn't feel anything at all. I must give VW huge thumbs up for developing DCC system.

Edited 19 November, 20187 yr by JackySi

Good comment @JackySi

 

I am sure I will more accurately distinguish the underlying systems in due course - of course it is all presented as a single screen at the start.

 

On wallow and damping, I have perhaps been conditioned by a decade in Citroens with hydropneumatic suspension which just swallow bumps in the road, and perhaps also by British rural roads with their inconsistent surfaces. I also always liked the adage "soft springs, hard dampers" - was that Colin Chapman way back when?

 

Ferdinand

 

My 2¢ on the DCC question - I definitely think you should try to drive both options. I found both the Normal and Comfort setting way too soft so figured it was better just to stick with the std ‘Sportchassi’ which also means the car is about 5mm lower and you can spec the Progressive steering. If the Sportline had been available with a ’Sportline’ specific DCC (more like what is on the GTI) where the normal mode was still pretty hard (like current ‘Sport’ setting) and you could either make it a bit softer (more like ‘normal) or even firmer (Track) I would have gone for it. I have no regrets so far. Mostly it's a pretty good compromise. But sometimes I do wonder if the DCC sport setting would be a bit better… If mine wasn’t leased I would be seriously thinking about upgrading the springs/dampers since its about the only thing that annoys me about the car...

Edited 23 November, 20187 yr by ewlmr

@ewlmr  I read your reply in my thread too but replying here as it's a DCC topic: 

I also think I am more in agreement with @JackySi  The DCC system, having driven in it for 2+ years now, is a system constantly adapting to the road conditions despite which mode you've set it to. When selecting one mode, for example Sport, it simply sets the "dampening target" to a firmer value but it is not "locked" to that value in the way a passively adjustable damper (one you'd adjust with a spanner) would. You realize this when driving over cobblestone for example, the difference between Sport and Comfort is much smaller than you'd expect, because under these very varying conditions, the sensors (even in Sport mode) allow for a greater travel.  When you are back on a flat road and take a fast corner the difference between Comfort and Sport is much more pronounced, and that's good. You want a tighter body control during cornering but you don't need to have each stone's dimensions telegraphed to your back when the road is bad. It really works great and similar to Jacky, I would also not get another car without DCC or similar system I think.

I am not sure why the wallowing in Comfort or Normal worried you or why you'd want the normal mode to be pretty had as you say, maybe you should try my GTI CS , even in Comfort it's firmer than a standard GTI and sometimes I would like some extra "softness" to be honest. I would think it's great to have this wallowing when the trip is a casual relaxed one with the family or when going over bad road and comfort is top priority. The problem, to me at least, would be if the DCC Sport mode was not "tightening" the suspension enough, did you feel that?   I haven't understood the Sportchassis to be firmer than DCC Sport but maybe owners may correct me here so, if I am right in this assumption, you don't lose anything with the DCC, you rather only gain flexibility by being comfortable when you like.

Thats why I really think you should try to drive both options before you decide. I have driven a my fathers GTI (220) quite a bit and really liked the DCC in that. If the Superb had felt similar it would have been a no brainer. But if I understand correctly when you add the DCC on the Sportline you get exactly the same springs, dampers and settings that come on the L&K superb so to me it felt like it was tuned more for comfort. I 'think' the DCC sport mode felt pretty similar to the non-DCC Sportline but to be honest I probably didn't drive it enough to really compare it. For me I thought I would want to have it in Sport most of the time it was better just to save a bit of money, get the slightly lower ride height and add the Progressive steering which I don't think you could spec with the DCC when I ordered? Probably both the DCC in Sport or the non-DCC Sportline will seem pretty comfortable coming from a GTI CS!

Edited 23 November, 20187 yr by ewlmr

7 minutes ago, ewlmr said:

Thats why I really think you should try to drive both options before you decide. I have driven a my fathers GTI (220) quite a bit and really liked the DCC in that. If the Superb had felt similar it would have been a no brainer. But if I understand correctly when you add the DCC on the Sportline you get exactly the same springs, dampers and settings that come on the L&K superb so to me it felt like it was tuned more for comfort. I 'think' the DCC sport mode felt pretty similar to the non-DCC Sportline but to be honest I probably didn't drive it enough to really compare it. For me I thought I would want to have it in Sport most of the time it was better just to save a bit of money, get the slightly lower ride height and add the Progressive steering which I don't think you could spec with the DCC when I ordered? Probably both the DCC in Sport or the non-DCC Sportline will seem pretty comfortable coming from a GTI CS!

Actually in Slovenia you can order progressive steering with DCC. If I'd order my car again I'd defo get 3 more options: Progressive Steering, Active Display and Acustic glass... I added noise insulation and 99% noise comes through windows now.
P.S.: At time of order there was no option for Acustic glass/Active display (i ordered in May 2017)

Edited 23 November, 20187 yr by JackySi

1 hour ago, ewlmr said:

Thats why I really think you should try to drive both options before you decide. I have driven a my fathers GTI (220) quite a bit and really liked the DCC in that. If the Superb had felt similar it would have been a no brainer. But if I understand correctly when you add the DCC on the Sportline you get exactly the same springs, dampers and settings that come on the L&K superb so to me it felt like it was tuned more for comfort. I 'think' the DCC sport mode felt pretty similar to the non-DCC Sportline but to be honest I probably didn't drive it enough to really compare it. For me I thought I would want to have it in Sport most of the time it was better just to save a bit of money, get the slightly lower ride height and add the Progressive steering which I don't think you could spec with the DCC when I ordered? Probably both the DCC in Sport or the non-DCC Sportline will seem pretty comfortable coming from a GTI CS!

Ideally I would try to test both but it will depend on availability of-course, my local dealer doesn't have a single Sportline, so I'd need to travel nearby. I totally get that If you don't want the extra comfort you can save 900eur right there. For me, coming from firm cars in general, I believe it's better to have reserves on the "Comfort" side, and from there, if the Sport setting is not enough try small stuff to stiffen the ride like springs and anti-roll bars which are pretty easy and straight-forward to do. As opposed to sticking with a fixed setup that may be firmer than what you would like in some occasions. I have upgraded cars that I found soft to stiffer but for some reason, I never reverted some cars that became too stiff after the upgrades to their previous condition (and regretted it all-together) so I see it as a "one-way" trip only and wan to start from the "safe" side so to speak!

Progressive steering is an option on DCC too currently, and I have both options checked on my configuration, no idea why this was happening when you ordered.

 

1 hour ago, JackySi said:

Actually in Slovenia you can order progressive steering with DCC. If I'd order my car again I'd defo get 3 more options: Progressive Steering, Active Display and Acustic glass... I added noise insulation and 99% noise comes through windows now.
P.S.: At time of order there was no option for Acustic glass/Active display (i ordered in May 2017)

Same in Sweden currently so I assume either some system bug (if the notification was coming from the system) or a dealer f***-up when "ewlmr" was getting his.  I have both Active Display and Acoustic windows checked on my possible config, wondering if they (windows) make much of an improvement.
 

Edited 23 November, 20187 yr by newbie69

Could easily have been something like that. I lost count of the things that were wrong or inconsistent between the online configurator, pricelist and dealer :-) But I had already made up my mind before I got to the actual order stage so maybe it was possible? I think since I was leasing i was looking at the extra monthly cost of the options and thought paying about 100kr a month just to change the DCC was a bit silly. Especially if I kept it in Sport most of the time! For what its worth I have never felt like the non-DCC sport suspension was too hard/uncomfortable.

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If you are close to Stockholm the dealer where I bought mine has a used 280 sport line with DCC:
http://www.skodastockholm.se/begagnade-bilar/#/vehicle/292d40da-0f7a-4cbf-9e24-615ddcb4f30e

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Hope you get a chance to try both. Would be curious to hear what you think!

7 minutes ago, ewlmr said:

Could easily have been something like that. I lost count of the things that were wrong or inconsistent between the online configurator, pricelist and dealer :-) But I had already made up my mind before I got to the actual order stage so maybe it was possible? I think since I was leasing i was looking at the extra monthly cost of the options and thought paying about 100kr a month just to change the DCC was a bit silly. Especially if I kept it in Sport most of the time! For what its worth I have never felt like the non-DCC sport suspension was too hard/uncomfortable.

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If you are close to Stockholm the dealer where I bought mine has a used 280 sport line with DCC:
http://www.skodastockholm.se/begagnade-bilar/#/vehicle/292d40da-0f7a-4cbf-9e24-615ddcb4f30e

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Hope you get a chance to try both. Would be curious to hear what you think!

If you don't need or like anything softer than Sport then it makes sense absolutely.

Unfortunately I am too far down to the south to try that car!

surely u can't expect the same suspension agility/characteristics of Golf GTi in a Superb?!?!?

they are two different cars - the DCC will feel different in both cars.

 

99% of the time - I drive around in Individual mode, which has the DCC set to Sport.

 

i'll b getting a set of Eibachs next year so I can firm up the suspension.  

so my Sport will feel Track

my Normal will feel Sport

my Comfort will feel Normal

 

10 hours ago, JR RS said:

i'll b getting a set of Eibachs next year so I can firm up the suspension.  

 

Eibachs that work with the DCC? Can you post a link? I'll bet they're expensive.

 

Are you sticking with the stock springs?

23 hours ago, freelunch said:

 

Eibachs that work with the DCC? Can you post a link? I'll bet they're expensive.

 

Are you sticking with the stock springs?

 

DCC = shocks, not springs.

 

I'm changing the springs only.

Eibach Pro-Kit springs.

20-25mm drop all round.

1 minute ago, JR RS said:

DCC = shocks, not springs.

 

Of course. I'm used to seeing Eibach and Bilstein in the same sentence and got the springs/shocks twisted in my head. 

 

So, I'll try to recover by saying, "I'll bet Bilstein replacement dampers are expensive!" If they even make them.

On 24/11/2018 at 00:17, JR RS said:

surely u can't expect the same suspension agility/characteristics of Golf GTi in a Superb?!?!?

they are two different cars - the DCC will feel different in both cars.

 

99% of the time - I drive around in Individual mode, which has the DCC set to Sport.

 

i'll b getting a set of Eibachs next year so I can firm up the suspension.  

so my Sport will feel Track

my Normal will feel Sport

my Comfort will feel Normal

 

 

Definitely not! But since 4 of the 5 cars I have been owning/driving were GTI’s (205/Mk4/Mk5/Mk7) and the OP has a GTI CS it seemed like a pretty good reference point :-)

 

I just wish they would have combined the DCC shocks with the Sportline springs! Then it probably would have been perfect for me. But I guess they were saving that setup just in case they wanted to do a Superb vRS?

 

Having said all that when the car is fully loaded with family and stuff it handles way better that our last car (Golf GT SportWagen) it just feels a bit under-damped with less people/stuff which to be honest is most of the time!

Edited 25 November, 20187 yr by ewlmr

16 hours ago, freelunch said:

 

Of course. I'm used to seeing Eibach and Bilstein in the same sentence and got the springs/shocks twisted in my head. 

 

So, I'll try to recover by saying, "I'll bet Bilstein replacement dampers are expensive!" If they even make them.

 

all good.

but yes, i'd imagine , and agree, replacement DCC shocks would b crazy expensive!!!

 

i hear its more of a headache putting in non-DCC shocks into a car that already has DCC shocks, due to all the coding and errors that will result.  apparently DCC can't be fully "coded out".

there's a myriad of sensors and associated algorithms that will cause havoc, or will be upset if non-DCC shocks are installed.