We have invested in free energy and will complete the ‘project’ in spite of our coal promoting conservative feds who are only worried about a loss of pollution revenue.

There is a reconing coming for our immoral lot.

Meanwhile from just across The Wash -

https://electrek.co/2018/12/17/lightyear-partners-with-leaseplan-nl-to-deliver-first-awd-solar-powered-family-car/

“Cars are great but cities will be unliveable” says ex Ford CEO.

https://www.autonews.com/article/20181203/OEM02/181209968/mass-transit-for-cities-sure-is-neat

16 hours ago, teescom09 said:

Pretty much everything you say is very questionable, impractical and frankly highlights this cloud cuckoo land proposal. 

A Shower is used for  few minutes a day not 12 hours! And it pretty much takes up most of the capacity of many homes. Add your 7 kw charger and a few more things and pop! Most  houses probably currently average around 200- 400 watts per hour and they’re proposing another minimum 7000 on top of that!  The local mains transformer isn’t rated to supply houses with constant full load. That's even if the infrastructure could handle It, which it cannot. Cable joints will burn, old cables will fail and the local transformers will fail or rather couldn’t do it in any case, would need  replacing with much larger items. Then the cable to them will be too small, oh it just goes on and on, especially obvious when you’ve delt with small scale similar situations all your life. 

7kw x 20 million + is a  phenomenal amount of power, massively and more above any demand of the past. and that cannot be changed. The nights will not be low energy hours they will be the massive new peak, more than double the national current day peak. Plus no solar which isn’t stored. Primarily from  a poluting dirty source. Lamp posts  have a 3kw max, many lower supply often on 1.5mm or 2.5mm armoured cable with a 6 or 16 amp trip, and 100 m apart or not at all. And they are daisy chained,  so that's nonsense. The cabling just couldn’t handle it. 

And the whole generating infrastructure is no where near capable. It was never designed for any where near such demands. Majority of houses with a minimum 7kw demand for 12 hours, come off it. We’re not talking a few leafs here, we’re talking many millions, I suggested 20 million but realistically a lot more is likely in the future. Weve also gone from 50 million to 66 million people in my lifetime ! 

And what about the source of your dirty electricity, doesn’t it also kill like you like you claim? Dirty fossil fuel Gas the only real solution? 

The end result will be litttle different. Unless you can find people to build and pay for dozens of nuclear power stations and  country wide infrastructure, all next door to you thanks very much.  

We need to concentrate on cleaning up IC engines , not too big an ask to  match dirty gas sourced electricity.  Be far more more achievable. Otherwise Hydrogen, certainly not mass electricity.  

 

Millions of EV households already pug in their 40 to 100 kWh EV and charge it overnight on a 7 kWh charger.  The charger would only briefly, or quite possible not at all get near the actual 7 kWh charge level which depends on the level the battery and charge system wants to feed the battery.  The chargers are about 90% efficient and start to charge only at a rate the charge system reckons will not damage the battery pack.  If the battery is cold then the charge rate will be slower until the battery warm up, also the charging of the last 10% tend to be much slower and less than 7kWH. Also long as you get back to the 40 kWh plus level of charge in between plugging it in at 1800-1900 hours when you get home to 0700 when you might jump in the car, pre-heated of course via your phone up so it is nice a cosy from mains electricity before you go on your morning journey so no massive time period of sustained 7 kW for 12 hours as you say.

 

Plus you probably would not fully charge every night, might be only once or twice a week, perhaps only at the weekend.  Even households with two or three EVs would only need one one wall mounted 7 kWh charger and just use their "granny" cables for a 3 kWh charge if they wanted to charge two or three cars during the night.

 

Most people with EVs source their electricity from suppliers who only buy renewable energy and the UK added over 2 GWs of offshore wind alone in 2018 and add that to onshore wind and solar and there are an increasing number of times when no fossil fuel power generation is needed at all.   I would expect all coal and oil power stations to close permanently in the next few years with gas the only fossil usage and that to go within the next decade to decade and a half.  Nuclear providing base-load via Hinkley point C and a couple of others PWRs ie Sizewell B and one or two new ones as well as Hinkley C.

 

So no fossil fuels within a few years, smarter charging so it uses off peak electricity supplied by renewables ie offshore, onshore wind, plus increasing at source and at point of use static battery power buffering, and of course the nuclear base-load.       

 

As well as Source London we do this all over the world ie massive projects in the Africa and reliable supply helped by banks of electrical storage... https://blue-storage.com/en/our-product/#popin_produit3d

 

All that is needed is more financial incentive to use EVs powered by renewable generated electricity and more penalties for using fossil fuels and particularly diesel (I trained as a marine engineer on diesel engines before going on to do BSc -Thermodynamics).  Getting a ship to be EV, now there is a challenges, cars etc is much easier and in fact inevitable it appears though I do like the ideal of hydrogen power vehicles too. 

 

 

Edited 18 December, 20187 yr by lol-lol

@lol-lol  Millions are not plugging in in the UK daily or even weekly if the same people charged vehicles a few times each week if there are less than 200,000 EV's Registered in the UK and lots of those are sitting 'For Sale' at Renault Dealerships and others, 

cars and Light Commercials that nobody wants as they are very poor for the available range.

 

The 'Tax Break' to Plug in Hybrid 'users' or as it was 'Non-users' was done away with due to there being those 'not plugging in' 

or maybe parking at Plug in parking and being 'p!ss takers' as the HMRC / UK Government often allow 'drivers' to be.

 

Predictions of 1 million EV's in 2 years in the UK.  Is that out of 31 million cars in the UK or even more than that?

http://www.nextgreencar.com/electric-cars/statistics

 

UK needs six-fold increase in electric vehicle charging points by 2020, finds report _ The Independent.mhtml

 

VHS or Betamax comes to mind.

(& also reel to reel, 8 track, cassettes, mini discs, CD's, ipods, ipod nano, smart phones etc, then lets just go back to vinyl, sounds more real...)

 

 

Edited 18 December, 20187 yr by Skoffski

We are all tracked and the information will be sold to those whose business it is to maximise visitor numbers whether it be a mall or fast food outlet etc. We are all watched , there are no secrets when it comes to commerce and to survive you will need to serve.

The media will be all over this new world of electric cars, it’s hardly going to be a creeping secret.

Service Stations / charging-parking places with Motel - Hotel accommodations with meeting rooms, conference rooms etc are in planning and even construction now in the UK.

 

The likes of Whitbread ( Brewers Fayer, Premier Inn / Costa) that are owned by a Multinational & maybe Coca-cola now has Costa.

Then Travelodge.

 Marriot who are obviously very good with others 'information' and security..

 

Marston's  Inns & Taverns have locations on the trunk routes that are just right for their development plans, and near McD's, KFC etc. 

Marston's Inns and Taverns partners with Engenie to become first UK pub chain to roll out rapid EV chargers _ Engenie.mhtml

 

 

 

Edited 18 December, 20187 yr by Skoffski

3 hours ago, Skoffski said:

@lol-lol  Millions are not plugging in in the UK daily or even weekly if the same people charged vehicles a few times each week if there are less than 200,000 EV's Registered in the UK and lots of those are sitting 'For Sale' at Renault Dealerships and others, 

cars and Light Commercials that nobody wants as they are very poor for the available range.

The 'Tax Break' to Plug in Hybrid 'users' or as it was 'Non-users' was done away with due to there being those 'not plugging in' 

or maybe parking at Plug in parking and being 'p!ss takers' as the HMRC / UK Government often allow 'drivers' to be.

Predictions of 1 million EV's in 2 years in the UK.  Is that out of 31 million cars in the UK or even more than that?

http://www.nextgreencar.com/electric-cars/statistics

UK needs six-fold increase in electric vehicle charging points by 2020, finds report _ The Independent.mhtml

VHS or Betamax comes to mind.

(& also reel to reel, 8 track, cassettes, mini discs, CD's, ipods, ipod nano, smart phones etc, then lets just go back to vinyl, sounds more real...)

 

There are about 4 million EVs in the world and EV owners tend to have a worldwide perspective rather than a national one as CO2, as well as NOX and PMs are worldwide issues.  Huge credit to those who bought EVs in the US where fossil fuel is so cheap at the fuel dispensers.

Loop hole of hybrids for congestion charge is being closed. Migration to EV is not helped by Excise tax bring frozen by the UK for 9 years and only the VAT going up 15%, 17.5% to its current rate of 20%.  Oil price has been falling much recently and now stands at only $48 a barrel for WTI and $58 for Brent. 

 

I would hope to be doing 20,000 miles a year in an EV.  It would be interesting to know the average miles in a new EV compared to a new ICE.  I keep looking for a ex Demo Zoe R110 (hp) Z40 (41 kWh) but they are rare and the best I could find with Renault retail are examples like this but this is the old 90 hp version ....  https://www.renaultretail.co.uk/used-cars/renault/zoe/68kw-i-dynamique-nav-41kwh-5dr-auto/renault-london-west/detail/lt18beu/ 

 

Better to buy a new one and get the 5 years 0% plus get the contribution but buy before 30th March when a 10% car duty could apply on cars made on the European mainland.  Might be good for the UK consumers looking to buy the UK built Leaf 2 as Nissan struggle to sell in to Europe, and other countries which have a Trade Agreement with the EU so Nissan will be forced to sell cheaper to the U hopefully.

 

One gets £500 from the government fund to fit ones own charge point so I would presume there are a couple of hundred thousand home chargers in addition to the near 20,000 public ones and many thousands of one it work, we have ten at our Heathrow office and a billion three pin plugs to plug ones Granny cable to £200 and you can charge from an electrical socket as a last resort ie staying away at the cottage in the Highlands etc.   

 

Edited 18 December, 20187 yr by lol-lol

4 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

Millions of EV households already pug in their 40 to 100 kWh EV and charge it overnight on a 7 kWh charger.  The charger would only briefly, or quite possible not at all get near the actual 7 kWh charge level which depends on the level the battery and charge system wants to feed the battery.  The chargers are about 90% efficient and start to charge only at a rate the charge system reckons will not damage the battery pack.  If the battery is cold then the charge rate will be slower until the battery warm up, also the charging of the last 10% tend to be much slower and less than 7kWH. Also long as you get back to the 40 kWh plus level of charge in between plugging it in at 1800-1900 hours when you get home to 0700 when you might jump in the car, pre-heated of course via your phone up so it is nice a cosy from mains electricity before you go on your morning journey so no massive time period of sustained 7 kW for 12 hours as you say.

 

Plus you probably would not fully charge every night, might be only once or twice a week, perhaps only at the weekend.  Even households with two or three EVs would only need one one wall mounted 7 kWh charger and just use their "granny" cables for a 3 kWh charge if they wanted to charge two or three cars during the night.

 

Most people with EVs source their electricity from suppliers who only buy renewable energy and the UK added over 2 GWs of offshore wind alone in 2018 and add that to onshore wind and solar and there are an increasing number of times when no fossil fuel power generation is needed at all.   I would expect all coal and oil power stations to close permanently in the next few years with gas the only fossil usage and that to go within the next decade to decade and a half.  Nuclear providing base-load via Hinkley point C and a couple of others PWRs ie Sizewell B and one or two new ones as well as Hinkley C.

 

So no fossil fuels within a few years, smarter charging so it uses off peak electricity supplied by renewables ie offshore, onshore wind, plus increasing at source and at point of use static battery power buffering, and of course the nuclear base-load.       

 

As well as Source London we do this all over the world ie massive projects in the Africa and reliable supply helped by banks of electrical storage... https://blue-storage.com/en/our-product/#popin_produit3d

 

All that is needed is more financial incentive to use EVs powered by renewable generated electricity and more penalties for using fossil fuels and particularly diesel (I trained as a marine engineer on diesel engines before going on to do BSc -Thermodynamics).  Getting a ship to be EV, now there is a challenges, cars etc is much easier and in fact inevitable it appears though I do like the ideal of hydrogen power vehicles too. 

 

 

Millions of cars??? Where is this electricity stored, there is virtually nil storage ability in the UK. Demand will increase multi fold as they get the batteries more robust, increasing demand even further and bigger batteries increasing demand further. Demand is going to go up and up. You cannot change the physics it will only go up, so by 2035 we could need twice as many power stations or more.. And don't forget much bigger chargers with much larger demand on the grid. And a flat battery will take a maximum charge regulated only by its charge state and internal temperature by the charger to prevent it from exploding. Intelligent charging is another load old tosh smokescreen, either they charge or don't, if they don't  you will be having the day off!  They need the charge or they wont charge! You can see why we are in this mess when people actually believe this sham. If theres any sense behind this it is it is just another scaremonger tactic at the motor trade to force them to clean everything up. As in current idea form it's an engineering embarrassment. The efficiency means that for 7kw in, the  actual charging is about 85% of that, about 6KW. Most of the is loss is in the rectification and regulation in the charger as heat.

 

It's mostly hypothetic bull**** by people who don't know a watt from a midget gem.  Nobody knows how many people will plug in at once any night. it could be 100,000 it could be 35 million. Anything over 10 million will be a catastrophe. And we know nobody is really interested in building these power stations . And many like me DO NOT want nuclear power at all.  If you put a simple logical head on. Think every one of those millions of cars on the road bumber to bumper for millions of miles  needs  that colossal amount of energy produced by the petrol/diesel in them replacing by a charge the night before from the primarily gas/coal powered national grid. 

 

Plus, how the hell does anybody buy just wind or solar power? Do they run a cable to to wind farm just for you  All electricity comes from the grid and ALL power stations/sources are connected to it. The electric in your toxic lithium riddled milk  float is the same as mine in my microwave. Its mostly dirty Gas and Coal, nuclear and some wind when it decides to blow and 5 hours of weak solar this time of year. Peak demand is 27 GW Gas, 12G GW Coal, 8GW Nuke, 15 GW Wind (if it blows) 8 GW Solar (during the summer in a heat wave) Others 7 GW, Imported from from ADJACENT countries a few GW. Only think that is likely to change is a reduction in coal, the rest is pie in the sky wishing and ignorance.

 

This is not about being for and against. I will  keep many ICE cars and bikes and will end up with an electric car if thats how we end up. But lets put some common sense and balance back in the currently pathetic argument. 

 

^^^ The cars / vehicles & old batteries / power pack is to be the Storage since there is not enough Hydro ot Interconnectors to Norway for them to store it or producing Hydrogen from the Electricity that can be generated easily.

 

The British Isles are surrounded by the Sea unless someone failed to notice.  Lots of unproductive land for food production as well.

 

 

 

 

Edited 18 December, 20187 yr by Skoffski

7 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

There are about 4 million EVs in the world and EV owners tend to have a worldwide perspective rather than a national one as CO2, as well as NOX and PMs are worldwide issues.  Huge credit to those who bought EVs in the US where fossil fuel is so cheap at the fuel dispensers.

Loop hole of hybrids for congestion charge is being closed. Migration to EV is not helped by Excise tax bring frozen by the UK for 9 years and only the VAT going up 15%, 17.5% to its current rate of 20%.  Oil price has been falling much recently and now stands at only $48 a barrel for WTI and $58 for Brent. 

 

I would hope to be doing 20,000 miles a year in an EV.  It would be interesting to know the average miles in a new EV compared to a new ICE.  I keep looking for a ex Demo Zoe R110 (hp) Z40 (41 kWh) but they are rare and the best I could find with Renault retail are examples like this but this is the old 90 hp version ....  https://www.renaultretail.co.uk/used-cars/renault/zoe/68kw-i-dynamique-nav-41kwh-5dr-auto/renault-london-west/detail/lt18beu/ 

 

Better to buy a new one and get the 5 years 0% plus get the contribution but buy before 30th March when a 10% car duty could apply on cars made on the European mainland.  Might be good for the UK consumers looking to buy the UK built Leaf 2 as Nissan struggle to sell in to Europe, and other countries which have a Trade Agreement with the EU so Nissan will be forced to sell cheaper to the U hopefully.

 

One gets £500 from the government fund to fit ones own charge point so I would presume there are a couple of hundred thousand home chargers in addition to the near 20,000 public ones and many thousands of one it work, we have ten at our Heathrow office and a billion three pin plugs to plug ones Granny cable to £200 and you can charge from an electrical socket as a last resort ie staying away at the cottage in the Highlands etc.   

 

Only 4 million In the whole world? So this means in many countries that are burning coal ? So those are powered by pretty much coal?  So coal is  now clean. It was impossible for the Tories to consider carbon capture for coal, but all of a sudden its a good idea with gas, morons.  The problems are no where near starting yet. It's when 100's of millions plug in. It just isn't possible without crazy electric production and similar infrastructure increases, possible, but with trillions and trillions of someones money, who's? We have been on years trying to build an horrendous nuclear power station. Remember Chernobyl and Fukushima. These astronomical accidents will eventually happen sooner or later. Then theres the waste.

 

Funny you mention Heathrow. The pollution from there is massive. Cannot wait for electric planes. 

7 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

Millions of cars??? Where is this electricity stored, there is virtually nil storage ability in the UK. Demand will increase multi fold as they get the batteries more robust, increasing demand even further and bigger batteries increasing demand further. Demand is going to go up and up. You cannot change the physics it will only go up, so by 2035 we could need twice as many power stations or more.. And don't forget much bigger chargers with much larger demand on the grid. And a flat battery will take a maximum charge regulated only by its charge state and internal temperature by the charger to prevent it from exploding. Intelligent charging is another load old tosh smokescreen, either they charge or don't, if they don't  you will be having the day off!  They need the charge or they wont charge! You can see why we are in this mess when people actually believe this sham. If theres any sense behind this it is it is just another scaremonger tactic at the motor trade to force them to clean everything up. As in current idea form it's an engineering embarrassment. The efficiency means that for 7kw in, the  actual charging is about 85% of that, about 6KW. Most of the is loss is in the rectification and regulation in the charger as heat.

 

It's mostly hypothetic bull**** by people who don't know a watt from a midget gem.  Nobody knows how many people will plug in at once any night. it could be 100,000 it could be 35 million. Anything over 10 million will be a catastrophe. And we know nobody is really interested in building these power stations . And many like me DO NOT want nuclear power at all.  If you put a simple logical head on. Think every one of those millions of cars on the road bumber to bumper for millions of miles  needs  that colossal amount of energy produced by the petrol/diesel in them replacing by a charge the night before from the primarily gas/coal powered national grid. 

 

Plus, how the hell does anybody buy just wind or solar power? Do they run a cable to to wind farm just for you  All electricity comes from the grid and ALL power stations/sources are connected to it. The electric in your toxic lithium riddled milk  float is the same as mine in my microwave. Its mostly dirty Gas and Coal, nuclear and some wind when it decides to blow and 5 hours of weak solar this time of year. Peak demand is 27 GW Gas, 12G GW Coal, 8GW Nuke, 15 GW Wind (if it blows) 8 GW Solar (during the summer in a heat wave) Others 7 GW, Imported from from ADJACENT countries a few GW. Only think that is likely to change is a reduction in coal, the rest is pie in the sky wishing and ignorance.

 

This is not about being for and against. I will  keep many ICE cars and bikes and will end up with an electric car if thats how we end up. But lets put some common sense and balance back in the currently pathetic argument. 

 

 

Electricity, as potential energy, stored at Dinowig, about 9 GWh or 33 TerraJoules if you prefer it that format. 

Just curious what is your qualification in electrical power generation if you would not mind providing please ?

 

We could do with more of these as well as tidal power to complement the wind power.  It was reckoned that a tidal barrage in the Severn /Bristol channel could provide as much as a large power station which I for one would like to see.    

 

 

 

 

Been an Electrical/Electronics Engineer all of my working life in heavy engineering which also utilised power generation regularly. Electricity generation is simple, really simple. 

 

What are your Electrical Engineering qualifications ?

 

Yes it can be stored, but one place 1000's miles away is a perfect example. It is just the mega scale of the requirements that are flippantly overlooked that astonish me.

Edited 18 December, 20187 yr by teescom09

There you go then, use your heavy oil to get about, i do.   No place in Scotland is thousands of miles from where the oil / gas is coming ashore or the Hydro Generation is located or the Renewables are generating.

Same in Wales and Northern Ireland, and England just needs to sort it's self out. Too little resources really.  Needed to be better together it appears, and they have stuffed that up.

France & China are more than happy to take the money, or they were, not so much now.

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

Been an Electrical/Electronics Engineer all of my working life in heavy engineering which also utilised power generation regularly. Electricity generation is simple, really simple. 

 

What are your Electrical Engineering qualifications ?

 

You did not actually say what qualification you have only your experience?

 

I did a OND Mech Eng (Marine so that is main propulsion ie 20,000 hp diesels and 1,000 hp diesel generation sets with diesecon units to generate superheated steam from the main propulsion diesel to drive steam turbine for power generation when at sea on main engine only.  We had preference trips set by electrical frequency change to remove certain less essential circuits if load exceeded electrical production.

Then went on to do a BSc which I got a 2-1 in with one of my main parts as Thermodynamics, all main energy types, and the study of Innovation and Systems Failure.

 Currently work for one of the top ten logistics firms who are also one of the world's leading firms in the rollout of EVs and cutting edge EV technology ie Lithium Metal Polyamide batteries, super-capacitor and key part of worldwide roll out of major renewal energy projects across the world, particular Africa but as I mentioned from Source London to other country's government infrastructure projects involving exceptional loads for wind turbine projects.        

10 minutes ago, Skoffski said:

There you go then, use your heavy oil to get about, i do.   No place in Scotland is thousands of miles from where the oil / gas is coming ashore or the Hydro Generation is located or the Renewables are generating.

Same in Wales and Northern Ireland, and England just needs to sort it's self out. Too little resources really.  Needed to be better together it appears, and they have stuffed that up.

France & China are more than happy to take the money, or they were, not so much now.

 

 

 

 

Love the videos on Dinorwig.  I have been twice and recommend it to anyone.

Also went to Hinkley point A and B a good few years ago to look at their magnox and AGR reactors.

Though I helped on the import of Sizewell B equipment ie the first PWR reactor but I am looking forward to getting on the first tours that EDF do for Hinkley Point C when they open that in a few years time.

Edited 18 December, 20187 yr by lol-lol

I have been to Wales to visit but regularly take people to see Scotlands Hollow Mountain.

 

 

 

 

 

Mining Electrical Tech 3 Engineering  and HNC Electrical/Electronic Engineering along with other. Not that has much to do with it. We are talking very basic physics here, you don't need qualifications for that, just a practical common sense. 

1 minute ago, Skoffski said:

I have been to Wales to visit but regularly take people to see Scotlands Hollow Mountain.

 

 

 

 

 

Trouble is we need 100's more, they have little impact on power requirements, usually used as load lugger when the mains frequency shows signs of strain. 

You are right, England needs so much more.  More low paid migrant workers as well.

But that is messed up somewhat.  Que sera.    Just going to have to put up with smog then. 

18 minutes ago, Skoffski said:

You are right, England needs so much more.  More low paid migrant workers as well.

But that is messed up somewhat.  Que sera.    Just going to have to put up with smog then. 

Ok up North mate, cleanest air in the country. At least until all the city smog is thrown at us from the power stations generating "their" dirty but clean locally electricity! London transfers it's smog to North, now you wouldn't expect that would you 

Due to Porsche ditching its borrowed DIRTY DIESELS for petrol/hybrid/electric powertrains it made me chuckle to read that the entry Macan now features a 2017 Skoda Octavia Vrs245 engine rated at 242bhp (shared with the MK7 Golf Gti PP model) and 370NM. Despite being a Porker it will have a lower top sppeed and accelerate slower than the Skoda as well as use more fuel and have higher emissions. Sadly it will leave you £19,000 worse off in entry level spec.

High pollution levels like in Crieff high street. Like at beside Dundee bus station, or Edinburgh, Glasgow etc.   Plus it is not so long since the dirty coal burners were shut down in Scotland.   High pollution on the south coast of the UK courtesy of continental Europe as well. 

 

 

Edited 18 December, 20187 yr by Skoffski

Can you ‘derate’ an EV for easier/safer driving on icy roads frinstance?.

I noticed the E Kona has trouble with grip off the line.

A TED reality check -