I've just bought a new face lifted (2019) Fabia SE estate DSG. The cars's fine except for excessive noise entering the cabin from outside when sitting in either of the front seats. It happens from about 40mph, and does not overly increase in volume proportionate to speed. The noise is not a whistling sound, but general air/road noise entering from outside. I thought at first it was the door mirrors, but pulling them in hardly makes any difference.  I've found that by holding my hand over the top of my ear horizontally (nearest to the door, driver or passenger side) eliminates about 85% - 90% of it, as does moving my head towards the centre of the vehicle by a couple of inches. I can't feel any air leaks around the door seals either. Is this 'a feature' of this model or something that I should have looked at do you think?

 

As an aside, the owners handbook doesn't specify the oil spec for the 1.0 tsi 110 - can anyone advise me on this please, along with any general tips/things to look out for etc.

Thanks in advance

 

 

If you think the noise is excessive, then by all mean mention it to your dealer. It is possible to adjust the door close position by just a little, ie: pull the door in a bit more against the door seals when it's closed. It may only need a 1mm adjustment to make the difference and quieten the noise. It may be you have a slightly misaligned window seal or the windows at the front are not going fully home, but again I doubt that. Again, this sort of noise is not uncommon in new cars of all makes. As cars have become quieter in the engine and transmission department, you start to hear other noise such as you describe. Let us know how you get on.

 

Oil spec is in the owners manual but can't tell you the page.  I take it your car is a petrol version. It should have a petrol particulate filter so you have to be careful what you put in regarding oil. 

the noise is possible a door/ window seal that not seating right take it to the dealer for them to look at and get them to adjust the doors for you 

oil spec is 0w20 vw 508.00 for the 1.0 TSI as i've got a 95 BHP 1.0 TSI  in my SE L  

Thanks for the replies. I must admit that I didn't pick up on the noise during the test drive that I had, but then it's likely I was focusing in on other things, or that the car I was driving didn't do it of course.  I totally accept that some noise will intrude and was assuming that because I have the issue on both driver and passenger sides that it was 'normal', but I do find it to be excessive. Rsrob and Estate Man, do you have similar noise levels of this kind, whereby if you turn your head slightly it virtually disappears?  I'm a little reluctant to have the doors adjusted in case things are made worse ( i've long experience of main dealer expertise), but I guess they should know best. 

Regarding the oil, all I can find in the owners manual is on pages 210/11  ''Engine oil
Specification
To find out which type of engine oil you can use for your vehicle, contact a
specialist garage.  If this oil is not available, other oils can also be refilled. To prevent engine damage,
a maximum of 0.5 l of engine oil with the following specifications may be
used until the next oil change: VW 504 00, VW 502 00, VW 508 00, ACEA
A3/ACEA B4 or API SN, (API SM).  I believe that my car does indeed have a particulate filter.

I can't find a lubricants page, but that might be me, and as you know there is no service book any longer.

 

I notice Estate Man that you have a 1.2 EAT6 Citroen. I test drove a Peugeot 308 1.2 130ps EAT6. Cracking engine and gearbox, but was too expensive, and I still have a (probably unwarranted) fear of french electrics!

 

 

 

 

 

Hi FZS1,  yes I have the Citroen with the 1.2 Turbo engine with 110ps and 205nm of torque @ 1500rpm. It is a cracking engine, very quiet mechanically and the same one you test drove but with a different power output.  Interestingly, the same 1.2  turbo 3 cylinder engine powers over half of all Citroen and Peugeot cars and is even produced in 160ps format. And it's totally reliable, as is the automatic gearbox which is also rated to take up to 165ps.  In 4 months I've covered 13,200 trouble free miles due to a 'special' contract I've taken on. I retired this year but was asked to complete this special job which I jumped at because it's an engine design job and they are paying me double my normal annual salary for just 6 months work. It's almost over now. Citroen and Peugeot are both quite expensive cars to buy these days, but the quality it spot on now and has been for a few years. Electrics are fine as they now use the networking method to connect everything up in the car so very few cables going around the car saving weight and giving improved reliability over 'normal' cars. I too have often looked down on Citroen and Peugeot cars because of their long ago slightly jaded reputation for poor build quality. But not now. I hardly dare to say it but the engine is way ahead of my two Mk3 Skoda Fabia 1.2TSI engined cars which both gave me an incredible amount of trouble which couldn't be fixed. 

Hi EM,  glad to hear you're on a good earner, sounds like you're enjoying it.   -  I ended up having to buy a car as the day job (field service) was great but couldn't do the 24/7 on call any more, and the only options were all or nothing so waved goodbye.  I went for the 'safe' option of buying a Fabia estate as I like the space, and I know of three Fabia owners who've had good long term high mileage experiences with them, though admittedly  manual diesels.   It's the only small estate available as far as I know, and I'm not that keen on SUVs. Hope my 3 pot serves me better than your 1.2 tsi did you,

Already had message on maxidot and infotainment system 'ERROR:Workshop only leave vehicle in position P'

The yellow triangle  and the entry under vehicle/system both cleared after 50 metres of driving. Glad I paid the extra for 5 years warranty , mainly as a safety net for the potential gearbox reliability issues as it happens,  but you've got me wondering about the whole Peugeot/Citroen thing again!  

FZ, my wife and I have been so impressed with the Citroen C3 Flair, that we ordered a second C3 Flair. Mostly, that will not be used by either of us, it will initially be a business car for one of our employees. Seems these cars like big miles and don't give any trouble. On the whole Skoda's have been very reliable for us to. Untill the Mk3's we always bought the estate cars. Brilliant for space, get loads in them. I suspect your car will give you sterling service but it was a good choice to get the 5yr warranty.

 

The temporary contract I'm working on is an engine design job. I could not do it if I didn't enjoy it...but I'll be ready to return to retirement as soon as. It's almost over, but may be slightly delayed as I was taken ill before Xmas. Still recovering at the mo.

 

Hope you are good, have a great new year.

Thanks EM,  Sorry to hear you've been unwell and hope you perk up soon. Yes, the 5 year warranty does give peace of mind, but hoping I don't need it too often.  Now I think of it, my lad had a Saxo 1.1L in 2002 and did 80k miles in it. Apart from a new exhaust, brake discs and bad surface rust on some cheap metals under the bonnet (ie battery securing clamp),  it was very reliable indeed.

 

Thanks too to Rsrob -  0w20 it is. After digging around some more  it seems that the reasons for it are down to WLTP, and I suspect that the reason for the owners handbook not stipulating which oil to use and to 'contact a specialist', is down to the fact that at some point after factory fill the vehicle might not have 0w20 in it, and that it's not backwards compatible apparently. Oh for a proper service record book and a clear unambiguous list of lubricants for the actual model purchased!

 

A  great new year to you both.

You will probably never need to fill up between services. My 1.2tsi only drops a couple of millimetres on the dispstick between 10k services.

My 1.2TSI 110ps engine used 250ml of oil (near half a pint) up to 3k miles, and then almost nothing after that even when fully loaded for hundreds of miles at high speeds. In the 1.0TSI 110ps estate I used to do the Welsh trip with a full load in the back, the car used 300ml of oil on just that trip. The car had 5k miles on the clock. So it probably also depends on how the motor has been treated during running in. Drive it too slowly and it'll use oil when you ask it to do some real work. Drive it too fast and and or don't follow the break in rules and it'll probably do the same. 

Hi. I have had my 1.2 tsi for 12 months and 10k. I check the levels weekly and the only thing I have topped up was the washer fluid. Brilliant engine. My previous car was a C4 Picasso 2009 which was a disaster, always throwing up eml and cutting out. The mk1 I had before that one I had for 11 years without any issues.

Hi. My 1.0 TSI  3 pot 110PS 18 Plate  DSG SEL estate just had first service 8500 miles did not use a drop.

Car noise not brilliant due to a lot of Tyre noise due to rough and cheap road surfaces in Hertfordshire.

Hi Yetiherts, thanks for posting. Your lack of oil consumption is reassuring and I agree that road/tyre noise isn't great. My car is shod with Kumho Eco....wings? I think, and it might be that they're a 'noisy'  tyre also. Any recommendations for tyres on the estate would be welcomed. My main concern is the level of general noise I can hear from the front doors/seals, described in my original post. I can't see anything obviously wrong with the seals. Do you suffer from this in your estate?

Cheers

 

Hi

There is another post on here regarding the early wear on door seals and noise, my own car was inspected on the drivers side on it's recent service and they say it will need replacing very soon as it has almost worn through on the drivers side.

My Wife has a 64 plate Fabia with just under 20k miles and not a sign of wear. The seals seem to be made of a lot softer materials on my newer car, this could be your problem. 

As for noise I tend to leave out my hearing aid out most of the time while driving as it amplifies road and tyre noise alarmingly.

 

On 31/12/2018 at 14:43, Yetiherts said:

Hi. My 1.0 TSI  3 pot 110PS 18 Plate  DSG SEL estate just had first service 8500 miles did not use a drop.

Car noise not brilliant due to a lot of Tyre noise due to rough and cheap road surfaces in Hertfordshire.

Yep, Herts road are noisy. My Roomster and brother-in -laws Yeti really rumble. 

Edited 2 January, 20197 yr by edbostan

The Kumho Eco tyres are pretty good regarding noise levels I found. Their job is to reduce rolling resistance by reducing friction from the road surface. This reduces noise made by the tyres. My Fabia was quiet regarding road noise but noisy regarding rattles and creaks. My Citroen C3 is even quieter than the Fabia with no rattles or creaks and very little road noise over most types of road. My door seals on the Fabia appeared to be made of a lightweight rubberised foam. My Citroen C3 seals are a much heavier grade of material. This is where Skoda are economising on materials with detrimental results.

Edited 2 January, 20197 yr by Estate Man

My 2013 Roomster Scout (1.2TSI) had the 16in wheels with Continental Contact 2 tyres and the ride was rather harsh, noisy and I never really felt confident with them. When nearing 3mm tread depth I changed to some mid price Avons which seemed much better but then traded in the car for a 67 plate Fabia estate (1.0 TSI man.) which has the Ecowings on 15in rims. These seem quiet enough on my local roads and the ride is reasonable although I would agree that there is an element of wind noise but not enough to trouble me. 

The Roomster was on variable servicing although with hindsight it should have been switched to annual given my mileage, the estate is on annual and has just had it's first service. Neither engine has needed any topping up between services I'm pleased to say.

I can see no signs of wear on the door seals either but I am a bit skinny so perhaps I do not come into contact with them in the way somebody a bit 'plumper' may do! 

Or even if you are tall like me. I have the drivers seat set back quite some way and it can be the way many of us end up wearing out the door seal.  We enter the car very close to the seal. Although, I personally haven't had that issue. 

Hi, thanks for all your responses. A quick update on the oil question. Skoda head office technical said that 0w20 508/509 or 5w30 504 is suitable for this engine, but can't tell me which it has in it from factory fill.

Another dealer said they'd never heard of 508/509 (0w20), and always use 5w30. Another said that the 1.5tsi MUST have 508/509 and that the 1.0 tsi comes with 5w30, and that's what they'd use for servicing. I could choose to use 508/509, but not for top up as it it is not compatible with 5w30 504. it would have to be a complete oil service. Then I spoke with another very helpful chap, who generated a service on the Skoda system using my chassis number. The system reported that my vehicle was set for long life servicing at the factory and that the oil used for that is 508/509 0w20.  Also, there was a tech bulletin attached saying that 508/509 must not be used in the non GPF variant as it could cause engine damage. My vehicle's system is set for standard 10k mile (9600m) service intervals, so I suspect that this is Skoda's way of differentiating between GPF and non GPF variants. 

 

As an aside, It just so happens that he owns a Fabia himself, and seems to have exactly the same symptoms regarding the noise intrusion that I have, so its beginning to look like its a non cost feature! - Cheers

Well I find that info. regarding the oil a bit strange. When I picked up my ex. demo 1.0 TSI estate I was supplied with a litre bottle of 0w20 oil for topping up. I'm certain my model does not have the GPF. After the annual service I did note that on the Maintenance list supplied under engine compartment it states - Engine oil, replenish, standard VW 502 00, completed. So, if I did need to top up then I guess the 0w20 might not be suitable then?

Service was carried out at a main dealer under the the 2 year plan but wasn't at the supplying dealership.

@FZS1   Who did you ask at a dealership about VW508 / 509 , 0w 20 FS LL ?

 

Euro 6 TSI & TDI's left the factories with VW 508 / 509 oil before the TSI's even had GPF's fitted. (Those with a GPF and WLTP Certificated are Euro 6 d temp)

All VW Group vehicles for Europe leave the factory set for Variable / Flexible Service Intervals other than the Up!MiiCitigo's.

 

 

Edited 2 January, 20197 yr by Skoffski

Hi Skoffski, The info was from service reception, not a techie. I must say that I find the conflicting info from different Skoda establishments totally confusing and unhelpful.  Your info seems quite categoric though thank goodness.  I can't understand why Skoda Technical don't have, or say they don't have access to that same info. If the non GPF  Euro 6 vehicles came shipped with VW 508/509 then presumably there can't be an issue using it after all. My car must have been set for fixed servicing by the dealer as the oil service is due at 9600/10k miles. They told me that you couldn't have a Fabia on a variable/flexible service routine, which in the light of your info looks to be untrue.  As I'm only going to be doing 9k - 10k annually though, it seems the right way to go. Presumably the same 508/509 oil is used for fixed interval servicing anyway.,, The first VAG group car I've owned, and so far not impressed with the lack of accurate knowledge provided by Skoda. 

Instead of the word 'gas' we, in the UK, use the word 'Petrol' (shortened from 'petroleum spirit'). I believe 'gas' is the word used for 'petrol' in the US of A. Why then are people using the acronym GPF when it would be more accurate to say PPF? Is this forum an International website which has adopted the American word 'gas' to suit a wider audience? I have been using 'PPF' and when I saw 'GPF' it confused me so I had to look it up to see what it referred to. Has 'GPF' been officialy adopted in all English speaking countries?

GPF = Gasoline particulate Filter.

 

See here:-

https://www.transportenvironment.org/sites/te/files/publications/2016_10_Gasoline_particulate_emissions_briefing_0.pdf

 

And here:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_direct_injection#Emissions

 

Same problem with DPF's as Peugeot/Citroen call them a FAP. But in France they call Diesel Gasoil/Gazole.

 

Thanks AG Falco.

AGFalco - I know it is off topic so I won't add any more to this thread. Just to say thanks.