It was said it is an old pdf.  Are you saying the practice is to no longer remove and replace sump plugs? 

I'm simply saying that that document does not say suck the oil out then remove the sump plug; which you've been claiming it does for some time now. If you can find a document that does say that, I'm all ears/eyes.

I know what you simply said. I simply understood it.

It is common practice in establishments, and that is all that matters, what others want to do Oil & Filter change after Oil & Filter change is their business.

8 minutes ago, Skoffski said:

It is common practice in establishments, and that is all that matters

A shred of evidence to support that would improve your position. Anecdotal (my mate says...) won't do.

If you can not be bothered  or feel the need to be taking out a sump plug to see if oil is left and how much then do not bother.

 

No need to give you any shred of evidence. Go work in a good workshop.  Maybe they do as you do, who knows.

 

Maybe they do the drain via the sump then pump.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 16 February, 20197 yr by Skoffski

Thanks for that convincing finale.

You know the story, put on your gloves or barrier cream and insert where your pleasure is or as you like it.

 

 

 

 

On 15/02/2019 at 16:55, Slinkie said:

I've got confirmation that the service was carried out (unless the below looks wrong to anyone with more knowledge than me on this). I now just need to take it somewhere for the message to be removed from my car!

 

 

Evans Halshaw Hull is not a Skoda dealer. Is that the correct Skoda level of service that has been done and is the oil filter an OEM one? If not then I'd be worried about the Skoda warranty.

 

Edited 16 February, 20197 yr by bigjohn

They do use correct parts from Factors and suppliers.

Evans Halshaw is pretty good at having Manufacturers paying up on Engines etc with known issues that they might have knocked back warranty claims on with an individual, 

but gets traded into them or bought in trade and goes badly wrong.

This has been happening a bit recently with 1.2,1.4,1.8 & 2.0 TSI Euro 5 engines that VW knew had Fundamental Design, Manufacturing and Material failings.

 

Very common now that someone has a VW Group vehicle with FMDSH and yet the VW Group knock back a warranty claim or claim out of warranty 

and a owner goes sell it or trades it in.

Also owners reject cars, or they are bought back and put right 'Into Trade;  to Auction etc unfixed / unresolved.  

Edited 16 February, 20197 yr by Skoffski

 My skoda main dealer in kent  drains all the oil , never uses a pump , however , that did not stop them putting the wrong oil in the car and even putting the type and spec on the invoice , reason i queried it and made them do a complete service again and put all the details on the Digital service record . ( you have done whats  on the invoice not what he thinks he did, do it completly again and give me a new invoice  Quote  )   Think we all need to be a little savvy when it comes to servicing , however on my last 1.9 tdi which had 248k miles , i did all the oil changes by pump , after the first 3 years and it ran for another 10 years , and then i got the VW scrappage deal , but it would have run fior many 100ks more .

11 hours ago, durhamfisher said:

Some garages use the vacuum method of extracting the oil so a sump plug would not be specified. That invoice looks perfectly fine to me.

 

Whether oil is sucked or drained is irrelevant - like any perishable item, the seal on the plug will fail during time, that's why I asked isn't replacing the plug part of routine servicing? I thought it would be at least good practice.

 

Edited 16 February, 20197 yr by Guest

I think a copper washer, left undisturbed, will take quite some time before it fails !

Edited 16 February, 20197 yr by classic

Very true.

But unless you have the car from new or do your own servicing you have no idea what happened at the last service.

Was the plug removed, was the plug replaced, did someone use a new washer, did someone cross thread or over tighten and glue the sump plug in.

 

This is often why there are garages / service centres that leave sump plugs well alone. Suck out the oil, quick easy , let sleeping dogs lay.

 

There were the likes a few years back with say  a Ford Galaxy / Sharan / Alhambra, maybe cars that did high miles got lots of oil changes, have sh!te sumps / plugs 

that you want to leave well alone, just suck out the oil.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/249041-sump-problems-ahead

 

Edited 17 February, 20197 yr by Skoffski

4 hours ago, Skoffski said:

 let sleeping dogs lay.

 

Wish I had a pound for everytime I suggest such a thing, someone replies along the lines of  "You're engine will appreciate it"  or " you're car will love you for it ".  

Big difference is loving and cherishing a keeper, a car / engine you know, 

or some bucket of sh!te bought at auction or from Arnold Clark etc.

I bought my Octavia with 24k on it from a Ford dealer at Xmas. It was "serviced" before I got it. But not having any paperwork of the service, or proof, I changed the oil myself and it was black. There is no way it was new oil. I haven't bothered to chase them as they are 200 miles away so the offer of a "free service" wouldn't appeal. But it's always worth having a s/h car serviced unless it comes from a Skoda approved dealer.

 

Just my 2p

23 hours ago, Skoffski said:

If you can not be bothered  or feel the need to be taking out a sump plug to see if oil is left and how much then do not bother.

 

No need to give you any shred of evidence. Go work in a good workshop.  Maybe they do as you do, who knows.

 

Maybe they do the drain via the sump then pump.

 

 

I'd go for oil extraction normally. Except the oil filter is on the bottom of the Octavia diesel and I know from experience that when you unscrew it to remove it, a lot of oil comes out and goes up your sleve and all over the floor. So you may as well do the drain plug method whilst you are already getting covered in the stuff.... 

 

 

 

What the hell would be the point of sucking the oil out and then removing the sump plug to check if any oil left . May as well just drain it all out of the sump in the first place. Replacing the sump plug every time is nonsense too,it's not a fibre or 'crush' washer that's on the plug so totally reusable.

Edited 17 February, 20197 yr by hatchy

16 hours ago, hatchy said:

What the hell would be the point of sucking the oil out and then removing the sump plug to check if any oil left . May as well just drain it all out of the sump in the first place. Replacing the sump plug every time is nonsense too,it's not a fibre or 'crush' washer that's on the plug so totally reusable.

Hi hatchy,  I get your point completely but think maybe some workshops just extract by pump as routine because they have a quick and clean system to do it.  Personally I have used this method about twice but with the type of little pumps you get from eBay etc. It proves to be a messy waste of time. The little plastic tubes get curled up and apart from the mess it is a slow job. So never again.  For now being under warranty I decide to just trust the Dealer and look forward to the end of warranty to get my hands on that drain plug.