The Coronavirus (COVID-19) Topic.

[@Lee]

Is she insensitive or just plain stupid?
Normally people say 'S/he's in a better place' when someone has died.  'The country can breathe again'? Really? Tell that to the people who are on ventilators and the families of people who've died. 

 

[Guest BigJase88]

4 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

Is she insensitive or just plain stupid?
Normally people say 'S/he's in a better place' when someone has died.  'The country can breathe again'? Really? Tell that to the people who are on ventilators and the families of people who've died. 

 

She is an idiot. Simple as that

[john999boy]

12 hours ago, Lee01 said:

There's lots of rumors flying around at the moment. One thing's for sure and that's that he wasn't in any normal ward. One with a nice river view and Beef Wellington on the menu more likely. Let's face it, this is a man who went and hid in a fridge when his election campaign was underway doesn't make me think 'now there's a man who can deal with a tough situation and run the country effectively'.
By the way, has anyone seen Dominic Cummings, his chief strategist, fan of eugenics and purveyor of herd immunity lately? Last seen scarpering from No10 with an anxious look on his face. I read he suffers from a weak immune system.

I can quite understand why the not helpful remarks have been made to this @Lee01.
 

No doubt he got the care that any any person would have got together with some additional Prime Minister benefits but so what if the No.1 Minister did!

 

The fridge sentence is just harping on about something which we’ve moved on from now and needs leaving out. As to Dominic Cummings; much that he is a Master Magician, let’s not start throwing additional things into the cauldron at this moment in time.

[J.R.]

I had an E_mail notification of a post by EssexAlan quoting one of mine, it appears to have been removed, if it was by the moderators then good on you, if it was deleted by the poster then good on you also for having reflected.

[john999boy]

26 minutes ago, J.R. said:

I had an E_mail notification of a post by EssexAlan quoting one of mine, it appears to have been removed, if it was by the moderators then good on you, if it was deleted by the poster then good on you also for having reflected.

I removed it as it was OT about illegal border crossings.

Edited 13 April, 2020 by john999boy

[J.R.]

Oh I read it alright J-B and would have objected to it, as I thought it had been removed I deliberately did not mention the content.

 

Thankyou for deleting it.

[john999boy]

Just now, J.R. said:

Oh I read it alright J-B and would have objected to it, as I thought it had been removed I deliberately did not mention the content.

Thank you for deleting it.

I mentioned it to ensure there would be no further occurrences by anyone else too.

[essexalan]

50 minutes ago, john999boy said:

I removed it as it was OT about illegal border crossings.

Can you please tell me why a post relating to what amounts to a breach of the UK lockdown procedures constitutes being OT. J.R. is continually posting about how effective the French lockdown is and yet it appears to be full of holes to the possible detriment of the UK if not France itself. Running a charabanc outing down to Brighton would be a thoroughly stupid thing to do and the persons involved would quite rightly get arrested. And yet?

[john999boy]

34 minutes ago, essexalan said:

Can you please tell me why a post relating to what amounts to a breach of the UK lockdown procedures constitutes being OT. J.R. is continually posting about how effective the French lockdown is and yet it appears to be full of holes to the possible detriment of the UK if not France itself. Running a charabanc outing down to Brighton would be a thoroughly stupid thing to do and the persons involved would quite rightly get arrested. And yet?

As a final post on this matter, I think you have answered your own question. The UK lockdown procedures are being ignored or totally dismissed by the people who wish to to get across the Channel illegally.

Nothing to do with CV19 though.......

Edited 13 April, 2020 by john999boy
Added clarification.

[@Lee]

2 hours ago, john999boy said:

The fridge sentence is just harping on about something which we’ve moved on from now and needs leaving out. As to Dominic Cummings; much that he is a Master Magician, let’s not start throwing additional things into the cauldron at this moment in time.

Fair do's, John. The fridge remark was more a reminder that he's good at avoiding scrutiny rather than a dig, though.
Cummings is still, AFAIK, Johnson's chief adviser. 

[@Lee]

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The government confirmed it no longer required that particular model, known as BlueSky.

“We are no longer supporting the production of the BlueSky device following a reassessment of the product’s viability in light of the ever developing picture around what is needed to most effectively treat COVID-19,” said a spokesman for the Cabinet Office, which is coordinating ventilator orders.

“We are continuing to work at unprecedented speed with a number of other manufacturers to scale up UK production of ventilators,” the spokesman said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-ventilator/uk-cancels-order-for-simple-ventilators-needs-more-complex-ones-source-idUSKCN21U0UI

[Ootohere]

Possibly those arriving on the UK's coast with a Borders Agency reception at least get medical checks and are then held for a while,

but those with a passport or visa if required arriving off ships or planes / helicopter or from the Euro Tunnel  or however they come in legally are just free to proceed to where ever and taking as long as they like to get there.

 

The UK is open for business and the Government are not going for herd immunity with coronavirus in the UK, just a free for all to catch it as long as it looks like flattening the curve for now.

[shyVRS245]

6 hours ago, moley said:

China have reported 108 new cases, all imported evidently. 

Deaths have increased by 6 in the last week also.

[Tilt]

 

Sorry John, but i agree with essexalan regarding this bit

 

1 hour ago, essexalan said:

 J.R. is continually posting about how effective the French lockdown is and yet it appears to be full of holes to the possible detriment of the UK if not France itself.

 

Please note that the masses of the United Kingdom ARE observing lockdown requirements.......JR..........not having a go but just saying.

 

I haven't been anywhere for two weeks now, though I am busy digging up my drains............lovely.

[shyVRS245]

1 hour ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

Possibly those arriving on the UK's coast with a Borders Agency reception at least get medical checks and are then held for a while,

but those with a passport or visa if required arriving off ships or planes / helicopter or from the Euro Tunnel  or however they come in legally are just free to proceed to where ever and taking as long as they like to get there.

 

The UK is open for business and the Government are not going for herd immunity with coronavirus in the UK, just a free for all to catch it as long as it looks like flattening the curve for now.

Indeed people are still arriving from one of the World's current hotspots New York and they are not being checked as they get off those planes in the UK Airports.

Edited 13 April, 2020 by shyVRS245
spelling mistake

[Guest BigJase88]

Old boy that lives in my street has dementia.

 

he’s been out on 4 walks in the last 2 hours, bless him he has no idea. Seen him there John thats 4 walks in the last 2 hours stay at home keep yourself safe and protect lives. He just said yeah i know. Bless him, he washes his windows 4 times a day every day. Cleanest windows in the street.

[@Lee]

Looks like Trump had the same maths teacher as Priti Patel  

 

[shyVRS245]

52 minutes ago, BigJase88 said:

Old boy that lives in my street has dementia.

 

he’s been out on 4 walks in the last 2 hours, bless him he has no idea. Seen him there John thats 4 walks in the last 2 hours stay at home keep yourself safe and protect lives. He just said yeah i know. Bless him, he washes his windows 4 times a day every day. Cleanest windows in the street.

At least he's not worried about anything which must be nice.

[@Lee]

So did he have it or didn't he? Which kind of test? Antibody test or RNA test?
 

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Boris Johnson needed a "significant level of specialist treatment" at the worst points of his battle against coronavirus, according to his spokesman.

The PM left hospital over the weekend, having previously been in intensive care at one point of his stay.

Mr Johnson has now tested negative for Covid-19, the spokesman confirmed, and is recovering at Chequers.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-coronavirus-covid-19-downing-street-treatment-a4413236.html

[@Lee]

3 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Indeed people are still arriving from one of the World's current hotspots New York and they are not being checked as they get off those planes in the UK Airports.

So why was your wife, who came back into the UK back in early February, spoken to by a load of people wearing masks back then if you say they're still not checking now? Kenya's first C-19 case wasn't until March 13th. Only asking as my missus flew into and out of Terminal 5 in Feb as well and didn't recall anything out of the ordinary.

 

[OldBoyScout]

8 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

So did he have it or didn't he? Which kind of test? Antibody test or RNA test?

 

I am thinking it would have to be the RNA test, as Antibody test would only show that he had previously been infected, unless I have got this wrong.

 

[@Lee]

1 minute ago, OldBoyScout said:

 

I am thinking it would have to be the RNA test, as Antibody test would only show that he had previously been infected, unless I have got this wrong.

 

Yeah, you're correct in that. The RNA test would only show him as being clear now.
I'm just rather cynical these days  

[J.R.]

3 hours ago, Tilt said:

 

Sorry John, but i agree with essexalan regarding this bit

 

 

Please note that the masses of the United Kingdom ARE observing lockdown requirements.......JR..........not having a go but just saying.

 

I haven't been anywhere for two weeks now, though I am busy digging up my drains............lovely.

 

I accept what you are saying, you are there on the ground but then you must also have seen the images in the media that I have where thousands are not respecting the requirements.

 

But by the same token i would hope that you will accept what I see around me and you wont see any media images contrary to it, I will not go into detail of what the removed posting contained but it was in my view racially motivated.

 

.............how effective the French lockdown is and yet it appears to be full of holes to the possible detriment of the UK if not France itself.

 

The image posted and the report was not about the ineffectiveness or non respect of the French confinement measures,  there is no place for nationalism in this global conflict and above all its not a competition.

 

The UK has asked its citizens to remain in the home, France enacted emergency laws; told its citizens that they are no longer allowed to leave the home except for under very limited exceptions, they mobilised the forces of law and order to reinforce this, 2 different approaches. It has just been announced by our President that the restrictions will continue for another 4 weeks with a slow but progressive déconfinement thereafter.

 

I am happy to discuss any information you may have seen indicating that the confinement in France is full of holes and to the detriment of any person of whatever nationality but will not engage in nationalist or racist discussion, it has no place on this thread or on this forum.

 

[Ootohere]

HGV Drivers are travelling around Continental Europe crossing borders and having to get food in every couple of days as the lorries fridges are not big.

I know of ones not going back into their home countries as that would mean them having to go into Self Isolation for a couple of weeks and earn no money so they just keep on trucking moving live animals and other goods.

Edited 13 April, 2020 by Roottootemblowinootsoot

[essexalan]

 

43 minutes ago, J.R. said:

 

I accept what you are saying, you are there on the ground but then you must also have seen the images in the media that I have where thousands are not respecting the requirements.

 

But by the same token i would hope that you will accept what I see around me and you wont see any media images contrary to it, I will not go into detail of what the removed posting contained but it was in my view racially motivated.

 

.............how effective the French lockdown is and yet it appears to be full of holes to the possible detriment of the UK if not France itself.

 

The image posted and the report was not about the ineffectiveness or non respect of the French confinement measures,  there is no place for nationalism in this global conflict and above all its not a competition.

 

The UK has asked its citizens to remain in the home, France enacted emergency laws; told its citizens that they are no longer allowed to leave the home except for under very limited exceptions, they mobilised the forces of law and order to reinforce this, 2 different approaches. It has just been announced by our President that the restrictions will continue for another 4 weeks with a slow but progressive déconfinement thereafter.

 

I am happy to discuss any information you may have seen indicating that the confinement in France is full of holes and to the detriment of any person of whatever nationality but will not engage in nationalist or racist discussion, it has no place on this thread or on this forum.

 

I can assure you that nothing racist was intended in what I posted I just get kind of fed up with somebody telling the UK we are doing it all wrong and just look at us doing it all right. 

Sure there are people in the UK who are in breach of the lockdown but the majority are doing what they are told and behaving themselves. How many have been fined so far I do not know but the majority 

do not want to catch Covid-19 both to stay alive and protect those essential workers in the NHS and elsewhere. Thousands? Well perhaps but as at the 1st of April more than 350,000 French citizens had been 

fined for breaking the lockdown over there. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-france-fines-update-christophe-castaner-a9440146.html and those are just the ones who have been caught. 

Definitely measures at UK airports and sea ports should have been beefed up long ago with tests and automatic two weeks in controlled isolation but it hasn't happened. It's not the numbers that our border forces do catch that worries me but those they don't and the risk of infection the border force itself is exposing itself to. The numbers I quoted that had been detained was for just one day I could dig out the figure for a whole week but it would be pointless. With such stringent measures in force just how is this being allowed to happen? It is a global fight and most certainly not a competition so perhaps you can tell me what is causing these "holes". This is a potential threat to the fight against Covid-19 both in France and in the UK kind of a waste of time locking your population away if numerous unknowns are wandering the countryside.