Currently driving a 2014 Octavia 2.0 TDI estate. Happy with it after a few tweaks but may be coming into money enough to replace it until electric cars suit my needs (2025?). The logical step is to get a superb So I have been looking at engine options.

 

1.4/5 - we have the 1.5 150 in a seat arosa and I just can't see it being enough for a bigger car unless mapped?

2.0 190 - this may well be the sweet spot which I go for. Strong consistent power with half decent economy.

2.0 220 - is this similar to the 190 as far as economy? Could be a better option for a bit of fun if it is. Also heard it maps very well.

2.0 280 - too much for me. Too thirsty and my wife would struggle with the power I think.

 

So looks like I am thinking of either of the 2 lower powered 2.0s. how do they stack up economy wise? Could I be getting mid 40s with a careful right foot? Or is that out of the question?

 

Or map a 1.5?

4 minutes ago, MarkyG82 said:

2.0 280 - too much for me. Too thirsty and my wife would struggle with the power I think.

Awaiting contradictory remarks from a certain member! 

4 minutes ago, john999boy said:

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Did you call by any chance John. Check out my Living with a 272 Sportline Hatch thread it's quite addictive viewing and you may get hooked and really scare the wife. Mine's not allowed to drive the beast after kerbing one of my 336bhp Octavia Vrs245 alloys. Like the Pirelli advert used to proclaim "Power Is Nothing Without Control. The 220 maps to about 300bhp, the 272 to 360bhp and the 280 about 370bhp.

10 minutes ago, john999boy said:

Awaiting contradictory remarks from a certain member! 

 

When you say "member" ...... ?

Shy. I kinda kept up with your 245 mods so it's good to see you are keeping up with the same here 😁 as for mapping, I've never driven anything over 250 which was an old Ferrari years ago so not comparable. I will definitely have a look at your thread. Maybe if the price is right I can persuade the management that we need more power. It was her after all that went for the 1.5 arona over the 1.0 because power.

4WD is important over 300bhp

8 minutes ago, MarkyG82 said:

 I've never driven anything over 250 which was an old Ferrari years ago so not comparable. I will definitely have a look at your thread. Maybe if the price is right I can persuade the management that we need more power. It was her after all that went for the 1.5 arona over the 1.0 because power.

 

Go and test drive a 272/280 with your mrs before you make your decision. 

I’ve only had our 280 just shy of  a couple of months and apart from a small M25 run of about 12 miles, the rest has been urban driving, with the odd squirt now ‘n’ then on the right pedal. I’m getting a real - so refill/mileage - 30mpg; the car says 31.3 since we’ve had it. Judging by which I was getting on the M25, recon I’d get around late 30’s on a longish motorway trip. The car has covered 22k in four years, is in immaculate condition (thanks Pryke!) and cost £19k. It’s luxury supercar performance at a bargain price. 

4 minutes ago, numskull said:

I’ve only had our 280 just shy of  a couple of months and apart from a small M25 run of about 12 miles, the rest has been urban driving, with the odd squirt now ‘n’ then on the right pedal. I’m getting a real - so refill/mileage - 30mpg; the car says 31.3 since we’ve had it. Judging by which I was getting on the M25, recon I’d get around late 30’s on a longish motorway trip. The car has covered 22k in four years, is in immaculate condition (thanks Pryke!) and cost £19k. It’s luxury supercar performance at a bargain price. 

My 9 month old 2019 Sportline Plus cost £23,840 from the local dealer with just 4,901 miles from Skoda UK, Milton Keynes.

Oh yeah forgot the 1.4 hybrid. Could well be an option I guess. Ticks the clean/economy box and would be a fun intro into the electric world of the future.

190 4x4 diesel sportline with a map ticks all the boxes with me now as I do many k’s of miles a year. Went from 190 and 400nm to 235 and 540nm. However if I didn’t do as many miles I would have gone for the 280 with a map as they pull in about 370bhp.

however. The hybrid. Will be heavier and I’d imagine thirstier with a little 1.4 to tug it along  if just using ic mode. Will also lose quite a bit of boot space I’d imagine..... but... the company that mapped mine have managed these figures from the hybrid. A good 130nm And 40bhp up on standard petrol lump but in gte/hybrid mode You are looking at around 272bhp now that would be a game changer and the jump in torque I would imagine makes the fuel economy somewhat better. I did spec one up the other day though in sportline trim and it was 46k 😵🤯

8 hours ago, MarkyG82 said:

Oh yeah forgot the 1.4 hybrid. Could well be an option I guess. Ticks the clean/economy box and would be a fun intro into the electric world of the future.

 

I think electrical powered vehicles is almost certainly going to be a stopgap until fuel-cell becomes mainstream. 

I don't think the standard chassis/tyre can handle anything up from 150bhp

I had a 2009 Oct vRS 170tdi dsg, it just couldn't cope with the torque and would frequently just spin the tyres up.

My current 150tdi Superb is the same - although that does have P7s fitted so no grip anyway.

 

Part of the issue is the traction control system, it just flashes a flippin' light on the dash to tell me the wheels are spinning!

I've just bought a 1.5TSi which I get next month, I'd have loved a 280 but just can't justify it when I have a Porsche as well

 

13 hours ago, MarkyG82 said:

Currently driving a 2014 Octavia 2.0 TDI estate. Happy with it after a few tweaks but may be coming into money enough to replace it until electric cars suit my needs (2025?). The logical step is to get a superb So I have been looking at engine options.

 

1.4/5 - we have the 1.5 150 in a seat arosa and I just can't see it being enough for a bigger car unless mapped?

2.0 190 - this may well be the sweet spot which I go for. Strong consistent power with half decent economy.

2.0 220 - is this similar to the 190 as far as economy? Could be a better option for a bit of fun if it is. Also heard it maps very well.

2.0 280 - too much for me. Too thirsty and my wife would struggle with the power I think.

 

So looks like I am thinking of either of the 2 lower powered 2.0s. how do they stack up economy wise? Could I be getting mid 40s with a careful right foot? Or is that out of the question?

 

Or map a 1.5?

There won't be a significant difference in driving feel between a 220 and 280. In fact, if stomping on the pedal, the 280 will be more composed without wheelspin. 

 

The 220 actually has the same torque curve so makes the same power from low to mid rpms as the 280.  The torque curve extends longer for the 280 hence the extra peak power. 

'Traction Control',  or ASR as was called, Anti Slip Regulation does not just flash a light on a dash.

It nips brakes or can cut power to stop tyres / wheels spinning.

 

It can be a PITA and worth putting off as a Owners Manual might tell you in certain conditions like getting free from being stuck in snow or having snow chains on.

 

The driver can control an accelerator, they go down and up.

11 hours ago, Esseesse200 said:

190 4x4 diesel sportline with a map ticks all the boxes with me now as I do many k’s of miles a year. Went from 190 and 400nm to 235 and 540nm. However if I didn’t do as many miles I would have gone for the 280 with a map as they pull in about 370bhp.

however. The hybrid. Will be heavier and I’d imagine thirstier with a little 1.4 to tug it along  if just using ic mode. Will also lose quite a bit of boot space I’d imagine..... but... the company that mapped mine have managed these figures from the hybrid. A good 130nm And 40bhp up on standard petrol lump but in gte/hybrid mode You are looking at around 272bhp now that would be a game changer and the jump in torque I would imagine makes the fuel economy somewhat better. I did spec one up the other day though in sportline trim and it was 46k 😵🤯

Interesting. I had been told that a TDI190 remap could not exceed 220 HP. Very (positively) surprised with such result with a single turbo, since the TDI245 is a twin turbo, if I'm right... 🤔  

I agree with the iV version. It could be a game changer.  And Already 214HP without remap.

 

55 minutes ago, Q102 said:

I don't think the standard chassis/tyre can handle anything up from 150bhp

I had a 2009 Oct vRS 170tdi dsg, it just couldn't cope with the torque and would frequently just spin the tyres up.

My current 150tdi Superb is the same - although that does have P7s fitted so no grip anyway.

 

Part of the issue is the traction control system, it just flashes a flippin' light on the dash to tell me the wheels are spinning!

I've just bought a 1.5TSi which I get next month, I'd have loved a 280 but just can't justify it when I have a Porsche as well

 

The problem is probably the P7s... I really dislike them. They have poor grip... I'm eager to change mine on the front axle for Michelin PS4s.

 

About remap... To sum up what can be read here and there, here are the average results;

TSI150 -> 190 HP

TSI190 -> 220 HP

TSI220-> 300 HP (? needs to be double check, I've read much about this option)

TSI280-> 360 HP

34 minutes ago, Bap33 said:

Interesting. I had been told that a TDI190 remap could not exceed 220 HP. Very (positively) surprised with such result with a single turbo, since the TDI245 is a twin turbo, if I'm right... 🤔  

I agree with the iV version. It could be a game changer.  And Already 214HP without remap.

 

The problem is probably the P7s... I really dislike them. They have poor grip... I'm eager to change mine on the front axle for Michelin PS4s.

 

About remap... To sum up what can be read here and there, here are the average results;

TSI150 -> 190 HP

TSI190 -> 220 HP

TSI220-> 300 HP (? needs to be double check, I've read much about this option)

TSI280-> 360 HP

mall cars make different depending on mapper how close to the Big Bang line you wanna be. Reliability etc..

300 bhp is pretty much standard for the 220 petrol set up. 
 

Tbf my 190 diesel was used a development for the map therefore had about 5hrs dyno time and a good hour on the rd with the mapper tweaking as we went so that’s why figured were as they were. Also with it being dsg and 4x4 the figures went well. And this kind of tune isn’t normal or less than a grand usually. Obvs dsg box was mapped to suit. I believe this map is being used now by them for their base map but they quote 235 bhp 495-500nm on the site but this is a general based on the car/history/age etc. 
this is the chart over standard and if you look at the chart on their site it is actually this one but in different colours I believe.

I would suggest you try all engine combos before buying your 272 / 280 ...... 

 

Seriously your wife would have zero problem after all it's all controlled by her right foot. Not only that but it really is point and squirt the Haldex may wag its finger from time to time but it never bites !

2 hours ago, Q102 said:

I don't think the standard chassis/tyre can handle anything up from 150bhp

I had a 2009 Oct vRS 170tdi dsg, it just couldn't cope with the torque and would frequently just spin the tyres up.

My current 150tdi Superb is the same - although that does have P7s fitted so no grip anyway.

 

Part of the issue is the traction control system, it just flashes a flippin' light on the dash to tell me the wheels are spinning!

I've just bought a 1.5TSi which I get next month, I'd have loved a 280 but just can't justify it when I have a Porsche as well

 

 

I think the biggest issue is the shape of the torque curve. A bit like the old of 1.9, if the torque comes in one lump then you will break traction. Since mapping my 150 the power is much more controlled and I actually spin less. Pedal box helps too.

I like the 220 lots but on the Pirelli tyres there can be a lot of lack of grip from a standing start. If I was to start over I would have ordered a 280 (they had em when I bought by 220) with 4 wheel drive.

3 hours ago, Bap33 said:

Interesting. I had been told that a TDI190 remap could not exceed 220 HP. Very (positively) surprised with such result with a single turbo, since the TDI245 is a twin turbo, if I'm right... 🤔  

I agree with the iV version. It could be a game changer.  And Already 214HP without remap.

 

The problem is probably the P7s... I really dislike them. They have poor grip... I'm eager to change mine on the front axle for Michelin PS4s.

 

About remap... To sum up what can be read here and there, here are the average results;

TSI150 -> 190 HP

TSI190 -> 220 HP

TSI220-> 300 HP (? needs to be double check, I haven't read much about this option)

TSI280-> 360 HP

Sorry, I made a mistyping...

@Esseesse200 Thanks for explanations on TDI 190remap.  

Edited 19 May, 20206 yr by Bap33

17 hours ago, MarkyG82 said:

Currently driving a 2014 Octavia 2.0 TDI estate. Happy with it after a few tweaks but may be coming into money enough to replace it until electric cars suit my needs (2025?). The logical step is to get a superb So I have been looking at engine options.

 

1.4/5 - we have the 1.5 150 in a seat arosa and I just can't see it being enough for a bigger car unless mapped?

2.0 190 - this may well be the sweet spot which I go for. Strong consistent power with half decent economy.

2.0 220 - is this similar to the 190 as far as economy? Could be a better option for a bit of fun if it is. Also heard it maps very well.

2.0 280 - too much for me. Too thirsty and my wife would struggle with the power I think.

 

So looks like I am thinking of either of the 2 lower powered 2.0s. how do they stack up economy wise? Could I be getting mid 40s with a careful right foot? Or is that out of the question?

 

Or map a 1.5?

 

I wouldn't map any of them - not worth the change in insurance premium TBH.

 

My wife has no trouble driving our 2.0 280 - the standard throttle response is pretty slow, so you really have to press the pedal hard to get a rapid response. Her previous car was a 1.4 Fiesta and she finds the Superb 'easier to drive' (apart from car parks obviously!).

 

If you live in the city get the 1.5 petrol, if you live in the country (and do plenty of miles) get a 2.0 TDI. If you're power hungry get the 280!

3 hours ago, ChrisCh said:

 

 

My wife has no trouble driving our 2.0 280 - the standard throttle response is pretty slow, so you really have to press the pedal hard to get a rapid response. Her previous car was a 1.4 Fiesta and she finds the Superb 'easier to drive' (apart from car parks obviously!).

 

 

Is that something that can be tweaked via vcds or a pedal box?

MrsG said similar about the size of the octy until she got used to it. I guess it'll be the same with a superb.

 

3 hours ago, ChrisCh said:

 

If you live in the city get the 1.5 petrol, if you live in the country (and do plenty of miles) get a 2.0 TDI. If you're power hungry get the 280!

 

Not considering the diesel in any way. If I was I'd keep the octy. We live on the edge of town so I think I'll look at the 272/280. 4wd has gained my interest again. I figured if I can afford a nice car I should be able to afford the maintenance too so that will be the big final check.

 

 

My only regret is not buying a 280 3-4 years ago and spending the money I wasted on the Vrs245 because I could now be driving a stage 2 400bhp Superb with 4WD.

@shyVRS245

What difference would that make as you trundle about the UK?

Do you get places quicker than when you drive the 150ps Karoq?