Hi Guys,

 

Anybody here attempted on Front PDC retrofit on their Mk3 Fabia? 

 

I have the rears from factory and looking to get this retrofitted to my wife's Mk3. 

 

Wirer (I believe he is on this forum) has done a great write up https://wirer.sk/f3_pdc-predok/ 

 

Trying to do this on a budget...getting the switch and PDC module (8K) are no biggie as decently priced on ebay. 

 

Only big money is to get the wire harness. Kufatec do a kit.....

 

Would like to know if anybody here done this mod successfully?

I've done this retro fit on my 2011 Audi S4, and it all worked out well first time, cutting the holes in the front bumper was stressful but only as I had never done that before in the past, on most VW Group cars, the inner face of the front bumper has an X marking the sensors locations. You will need an extar buzzer as well, again very cheap on ebay.  Some coding will probably need doing to change the PDC into a display within the screen, I have VCDS so did my own re-coding. If you fully integrate it into the car, the infotainment system will also need re-coding to include any options pertaining to OPS and buzzer sound level.

Kits are available on Carsystems.eu

 

https://www.carsystems.eu/new-skoda-fabia-3-6v0-park-pilot-front-w-ops-5q0919294b-upgrade-kit-rhd-uk-markets,id2293.html

 

Edited 15 September, 20205 yr by Andymod

8 hours ago, rum4mo said:

I've done this retro fit on my 2011 Audi S4, and it all worked out well first time, cutting the holes in the front bumper was stressful but only as I had never done that before in the past, on most VW Group cars, the inner face of the front bumper has an X marking the sensors locations. You will need an extar buzzer as well, again very cheap on ebay.  Some coding will probably need doing to change the PDC into a display within the screen, I have VCDS so did my own re-coding. If you fully integrate it into the car, the infotainment system will also need re-coding to include any options pertaining to OPS and buzzer sound level.

 

3 hours ago, Andymod said:

Kits are available on Carsystems.eu

 

https://www.carsystems.eu/new-skoda-fabia-3-6v0-park-pilot-front-w-ops-5q0919294b-upgrade-kit-rhd-uk-markets,id2293.html

 

 

Guys thank you for the information. 

 

I not new to the retrofit world My old Mk2 Octavia had many retrofits done and one being Front PDC. I bought the entire wire harness and 8K module from a fellow member on here couple of years ago. It came with good instructions and wires were color coded as per factory wire diagrams. 

 

So far in the Mk3 Fabia I have added MFSW and Light sensor (dash) and made the harness by myself. 

 

With the front PDC i have few options either to buy the entire kit incl. harness, modules and sensors for over £300 or source part of the harness from Kufatec and rest from ebay  

 

Trying to see what is the best route? I have bought the 8K module and dash switch. Think I am going to do it parts and perhaps make the harness myself. More funn for me

 

Will let you know how I get on  I am sure plenty on here be looking to do this mod.

 

And the reason for this thread was to see how members got along with this retrofit? Bdw, I find it very weird that Fabia's only have 3 PDC sensors in the rear as compared to Polo's? I wonder why?

Edited 15 September, 20205 yr by singh946

You need 7K unit, not 8K

 

 

As far as I know, no one except Fabia and Rapid uses 7 sensors. It takes me a bit of time to convert a PDC to a PLA, because there is no combination of 7 sensors + 4 sideways

 

I make my own cables at home. I order connectors, pins and I'm playing

 

 

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Sorry for my english

Edited 16 September, 20205 yr by wirer

I'd think that the reduction to only 3 rear sensors will be down to trimming costs down as far as possible.

 

When I retrofitted the front PDS/OPS to my 2011 Audi S4, Kufatec used the same parts as Audi would have used in factory, but for the later ie B8.5 version of Audi A4, they used the same "older" set of parts, which I thought was strange but maybe easier and cheaper for them to supply as a kit.

 

In the case of the Audi B8 S4, Audi ran the cabling down the LHS of all cars ie both RHD and LHD, but the Kufatec kit is made to run down the RHS of the car, no big problems there, maybe even makes the fitting easier, the "rear to front" cable was okay length wise, maybe even slightly too long at one section, but the front bumper cable form might have been kay for the later B8.5 Audi A4 but it was too short at at least one section, so I bought in a couple of reels of wire - 2 different gauges to match the existing Kufatec cable form, and cut and spliced the cable form, staggering the cuts/splices to keep the resulting cable form a sensible bundle size. The Kufatec kit for some reason used and supplied I think 9-way joining connectors for the 2 supplied cable forms - but there are only 6 wires, so I changed these connectors for the 6-way ones that VW Group use. For securing the sensors to the bumper cover, I bought VW Passat maybe B6 sensor brackets, there were 2 types available, a flatish version and a slightly curved version, I only needed the outer sensor brackets so chose the slightly curved version as they suited the shape of the bumper at these points - also there was plenty internet chatter about who had used what. Again, VW Group and most aftermarket suppliers supply double sided sticky tape to fix these sensor mountings to the bumper cover - I wanted this job to be a "one off" visit, so I used a structural Araldite bought from Halfords locally and okay that was overkill, but these sensor mountings will stay on!

I'm not knocking Kufatec as their cables were a very good starting point and so saved me buying all the connectors pins and wiring - I came away from that task with a new small tool box dedicated to car wiring, which could come in handy in the future!

 

You mentioned "8K" parking controller, that sounds a lot like being what gets used on Audi B8 as that car is an 8K* platform and so an 8 channel controller, how will that work with 7 sensors? Can you not buy the Skoda Fabia version of parking controller used with rear+front with OPS, my wife's 2015 VW Polo 1.2TSI SEL comes with rear+front+OPS so I will not need to do anything to it, and having driven that car with full PDS/OPS was what made me "improve" the parking sensors on my S4 - only remaining issue is, while the factory fitted system in the Polo will always switch the front sensors on when you approach a wall etc, the retro fitted version in my S4 will not auto switch on approaching a wall etc - which is something I need to remember! The S4 retro fitted system will always auto switch on starting from a parked position though.

Edited 16 September, 20205 yr by rum4mo

3 minutes ago, wirer said:

You need 7K unit, not 8K

 

As far as I know, no one except Fabia and Rapid uses 7 sensors. It takes me a bit of time to convert a PDC to a PLA, because there is no combination of 7 sensors + 4 sideways

 

I make my own cables at home. I order connectors, pins and I'm playing

 

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Sorry for my english

 

Wirer but in your tutorial you use a 8K module? 5Q0919294E And I have gone and bought the same module :( 

Please can you confirm all the part numbers again as I don't want to get them wrong 

• 1x - 6V1 927 238 E - buttons
• 1x - 5Q0 919 294 E - control unit front + rear sensors
• 1x - 5Q0 972 718 A - connector control unit T18
• 10x - 000 979 009 E - pins of the control unit connector
• 2x - 000 979 009 E - pins of button connector
• 4x - 5Q0 919 275 B GRU - front sensors
• 4x - 5Q0 919 133 - sealing ring
• 1x - 6V0 919 485 - sensor holder - left outside
• 1x - 6V0 919 485 A - sensor holder - left inside
• 1x - 6V0 919 486 A - sensor holder - right inside
• 1x - 6V0 919 486 - sensor holder - right outside
• 4x - 4F0 973 703 - sensor connector
• 12x - 000 979 034 E - pin to sensor
• 12x - 357 972 740 E - sealing rubber
• 1x - 1J0 973 813 (3B0 973 813) - connect the engine compartment to the bumper
• 6x - 000 979 132 E - pin for the connector connecting the engine compartment to the bumper
• 1x - 1J0 973 713 - connect the engine compartment to the bumper
• 6x - 000 979 131 E - pin for the connector connecting the engine compartment to the bumper
• 6x + 6x - 357 972 740 E - sealing rubbers
• 1x - 5Q0 919 279 - speaker for front sensors
• 1x - 4B0 972 623 - speaker connector
• 2x - 000 979 009 E - pin for speaker connector
• 10x - 3D0 971 838 L - binding tape 4,6 × 200, 1-3mm
• 3D0 971 497 B - bumper connector holder (not necessary, can be replaced by 3D0 971 838 L)
• textile insulating tape

6 minutes ago, rum4mo said:

You mentioned "8K" parking controller, that sounds a lot like being what gets used on Audi B8 and so an 8 channel controller, how will that work with 7 sensors? Can you not buy the Skoda Fabia version of parking controller used with rear+front with OPS, my wife's 2015 VW Polo 1.2TSI SEL comes with rear+front+OPS so I will not need to do anything to it, and having driven that car with full PDS/OPS was what made me "improve" the parking sensors on my S4 - only remaining issue is, while the factory fitted system in the Polo will always switch the front sensors on when you approach a wall etc, the retro fitted version in my S4 will not auto switch on approaching a wall etc - which is something I need to remember! The S4 retro fitted system will always auto switch on starting from a parked position though.

 

Good question, I was following https://wirer.sk/f3_pdc-predok/ and it mentioned 5Q0 919 294 E which is a 8K module? Good thing I asked here  

The part number is identical. This is what the data is copied to the unit. Some even can "convert" from 8K to 7K. If the unit is 8K on the Fabia 3, it will report an error

Just now, wirer said:

The part number is identical. This is what the data is copied to the unit. Some even can "convert" from 8K to 7K. If the unit is 8K on the Fabia 3, it will report an error

 

Thanks wirer so have I bought the correct unit then? 5Q0 919 294 E

This is the exact one I have bought....

 

The my photo above also shows the 294E. Well, I definitely have it adapted for Fabia 7K. So just mount it. It has happened to me twice that the promised 7K unit from Octavia came instead. Then it didn't work because the Octavia had 8K

 

3 minutes ago, wirer said:

The my photo above also shows the 294E. Well, I definitely have it adapted for Fabia 7K. So just mount it. It has happened to me twice that the promised 7K unit from Octavia came instead. Then it didn't work because the Octavia had 8K

 

Thanks wirer so the 294E should be working in my Fabia 3 then  Phew!!!

 

I thought I bought the wrong module 

 

I am following your tutorial here https://wirer.sk/f3_pdc-predok/ so hopefully all goes well

 

Ah, some people are using VW Group model platform designations like 8K to mean 8 channel, not good, a bit misleading, I'm glad that you have bought a suitable one, ie a 5Q version as long as it is only looking for 3 rear sensors!

 

Edit:- one completely insignificant comment, Audi offer I think 3 different colours of sensor seal - ie you can pick one that best suits the car's body colour, I think BLACK and WHITE and NEUTRAL, my wife's VW Polo is silver and VW, like Skoda only offer a single colour - BLACK!

Edited 16 September, 20205 yr by rum4mo

Here is a strange thing, remember to watch out if you quickly reply to a posting more than once, lots of these forums "behaviour monitoring systems" will come to the conclusion that either or both of "you" are being TROLLs - it has happened to me once and all I and another poster were doing was quickly helping each other out!  I think that it was this forum and I received a friendly warning about my behaviour!

49 minutes ago, rum4mo said:

Ah, some people are using VW Group model platform designations like 8K to mean 8 channel, not good, a bit misleading, I'm glad that you have bought a suitable one, ie a 5Q version as long as it is only looking for 3 rear sensors!

 

Edit:- one completely insignificant comment, Audi offer I think 3 different colours of sensor seal - ie you can pick one that best suits the car's body colour, I think BLACK and WHITE and NEUTRAL, my wife's VW Polo is silver and VW, like Skoda only offer a single colour - BLACK!

 

Hopefully it works, I have been following wirer's tutorial and so far 2 retrofits have worked well

Guys where is the best place to buy automotive wiring from? I always end up buying the wrong ones from ebay  

I also found a photo where an 8K unit was mounted in Fabia 3/Rapid - it reports an error in the back

 

1 hour ago, wirer said:

I also found a photo where an 8K unit was mounted in Fabia 3/Rapid - it reports an error in the back

 

 

Awesome find wirer  

Let's hope 5Q0 919 294 E works in mine  I am sure it will as it works for you.

I noted that I got the reels of wire from "Vehicle Wiring Products LTD"  and the Micro Timer 2 contact pins etc from "3waycomponents" via ebay.

1 hour ago, rum4mo said:

I noted that I got the reels of wire from "Vehicle Wiring Products LTD"  and the Micro Timer 2 contact pins etc from "3waycomponents" via ebay.

 

I have understood the wire diagram but just contemplating whether to buy the entire harness incl. sensor harness, buzzer and switch wiring for £80 or make it myself? May be I will save around £20-30?

I suppose by buying the made up harness you are removing all the working out of the lengths of the runs and branch off points, also the Kufatec harness wiring is all made using numbered wires, or at least wires with numbers printed on them at frequent intervals.

I checked both the harnesses out pin to pin before fitting them into the car, something I was later glad that I did when it came to altering some lengths. Kufatec don't use, or didn't use coloured wiring just thin insulated numbers slate grey cabling, I already had a roll of sticky fabric tape for wrapping bundles of wires up exactly the same as VW Group and Kufatec used.

15 hours ago, rum4mo said:

I suppose by buying the made up harness you are removing all the working out of the lengths of the runs and branch off points, also the Kufatec harness wiring is all made using numbered wires, or at least wires with numbers printed on them at frequent intervals.

I checked both the harnesses out pin to pin before fitting them into the car, something I was later glad that I did when it came to altering some lengths. Kufatec don't use, or didn't use coloured wiring just thin insulated numbers slate grey cabling, I already had a roll of sticky fabric tape for wrapping bundles of wires up exactly the same as VW Group and Kufatec used.

 

Planning on getting it from here https://www.carsystems.eu/skoda-fabia-3-park-pilot-front-upgrade-w-ops-wire-harness,id3443.html from picture it looks like their wires are colour coded. However who knows when it arrives 

Remember to now buy a second buzzer - I found it easy to find one on ebay, I have no idea what the dealer charges for one of them, but buying a used one, at least for me meant that the plastic fixing expanding rivet(s) came with the used one - though I had played safe and ordered in a couple of new expanding rivets from my local VW dealer.

 

Depending on which side of the car your new harnesses were meant to run down, you might need to remove a front wheel arch liner to run the final section of the rear>front behind it, I bought some sort of toothed stretchy cable ties to fix the cable to the existing cabling behind the front wheel arch liner, and you might even need to cut into the deformable foam strip in front of the crash bar, to keep the final section of the bumper cable safe - in the case of my 2011 Audi S4 Kufatec ran the cabling down the opposite side of the car, and so the front bumper, to where Audi did it at the factory.

 

I also made sure that there was enough "slack" or free cable left on the carbody side to allow any repair workshop to move the front of that car out into the service position without damaging your rear>front harness.

2 hours ago, rum4mo said:

Remember to now buy a second buzzer - I found it easy to find one on ebay, I have no idea what the dealer charges for one of them, but buying a used one, at least for me meant that the plastic fixing expanding rivet(s) came with the used one - though I had played safe and ordered in a couple of new expanding rivets from my local VW dealer.

 

Depending on which side of the car your new harnesses were meant to run down, you might need to remove a front wheel arch liner to run the final section of the rear>front behind it, I bought some sort of toothed stretchy cable ties to fix the cable to the existing cabling behind the front wheel arch liner, and you might even need to cut into the deformable foam strip in front of the crash bar, to keep the final section of the bumper cable safe - in the case of my 2011 Audi S4 Kufatec ran the cabling down the opposite side of the car, and so the front bumper, to where Audi did it at the factory.

 

I also made sure that there was enough "slack" or free cable left on the carbody side to allow any repair workshop to move the front of that car out into the service position without damaging your rear>front harness.

 

Yeah i need a few items to complete the retrofit:

• Buzzer
• Buzzer connector
• Sensors
• Sensor holders

In my Octavia VRS I ran the wiring from the passenger side, however in Fabia3 the module is located under the driver side near the BCM from wirer's tutorial should have plenty of harness  

Edited 17 September, 20205 yr by singh946