Looking at the options, but a little confused. If I understand correctly  with Adaptive Cruise. Set to max speed, if vehicle in front slows the car slows (changing gear on DSG). What happens if car in front comes to stop?

 

Do all superbs have city emergency brake. Is this part of Front assist or something else? How does front assist work in the real world (ive read the manual and looked at you tube but it doesnt make much sense. When does Front assist stop / city emergency start - are they the same thing?). Does this vary depending if you have front parking sensors installed?

 

Lastly Blind Spot Detection (without lane assist) - Does Blind spot include rear traffic alert or is this something else?

 

How does this all work in the real world?

1 hour ago, Jase_31 said:

Looking at the options, but a little confused. If I understand correctly  with Adaptive Cruise. Set to max speed, if vehicle in front slows the car slows (changing gear on DSG). What happens if car in front comes to stop?

 

Do all superbs have city emergency brake. Is this part of Front assist or something else? How does front assist work in the real world (ive read the manual and looked at you tube but it doesnt make much sense. When does Front assist stop / city emergency start - are they the same thing?). Does this vary depending if you have front parking sensors installed?

 

Lastly Blind Spot Detection (without lane assist) - Does Blind spot include rear traffic alert or is this something else?

 

How does this all work in the real world?

 

If the car in front comes to a stop then so do you. You have to dab the accelerator to get it to start off again, at least on mine you do. It then resumes up to the speed you set prior, or up to the speed

of the car in front.

 

 

5 hours ago, Jase_31 said:

 

Lastly Blind Spot Detection (without lane assist) - Does Blind spot include rear traffic alert or is this something else?

 

 

blind spot detection and rear traffic alert use the same radar, located inside the rear bumpers, one on each side.

yes, its useful, and works well in real world situations.

 

 

ACC will slow to a stop when the car in front does, it won't detect a stationary object.

 

Front assist has activated when I've approached a slower/slowing car (ie it's turning left into a junction) and shown the warning / alarmed but never had to stop the car. I don't think it can stop you crashing but should lessen the impact!

The systems use a mix of radar & cameras to "see" stuff - they don't work very well in falling snow (not that you should use ACC in snow anyway)

 

From the manual:

Emergency braking at low speed
If there is a risk of collision in a vehicle speed range of about 5 km/h to 45 km/h, the system triggers an automatic braking.

With automatic braking, the warning light appears in the display.

Advance warning
If the system detects a risk of collision, the warning light appears on the display and an audible signal is emitted.
The pre-warning display can occur in the following situations.
▶ If there is a risk of collision with a moving obstacle in a speed range of approximately 30 km/h to 210 km/h.
▶ If there is a risk of collision with a stationary obstacle in a speed range of approximately 30 km/h to 80 km/h.
With a warning the brake pedal must be pressed or the moving obstacle is to be avoided!

Immediate warning and automatic braking - a moving obstacle
If the driver does not react to the advance warning when in danger of a collision with a moving obstacle, the system briefly applies the brake automatically
via an active brake intervention to draw attention to the potential danger of a collision again.
If the driver does not respond to acute warning, the system begins to automatically brake the vehicle.

 

Automatic braking - a stationary obstacle
If the driver does not respond to the advance warning of the risk of a collision with a stationary obstacle in a speed range of approximately 30 km/h to 60
km/h, the system initiates automatic braking.

Information on automatic braking
If an automatic brake intervention is triggered by the system, the pressure in the brake system increases and the brake pedal cannot be operated with the
normal pedal stroke.
The automatic braking interventions can be cancelled by pressing the accelerator pedal or by means of a steering intervention.

Brake assist
If the driver brakes inadequate with an impending collision, the system automatically increases braking force.
The braking assistance only occurs as long as the brake pedal is being firmly pressed down.

Edited 11 January, 20215 yr by Q102

"Do all Superbs have city emergency brake"

 

That is a question I would love answering as well.

Does ACC need to be activated for this to work?

How do you know it works, or if there is a problem with it?

 

 

You know it works when it works and you'd know if there's a problem only if you aren't braking yourself as you'd hit whatever was the issue. It is a driver assistance system, not a driver replacement ine

 

Edited 11 January, 20215 yr by goath

12 hours ago, Shugmo said:

"Do all Superbs have city emergency brake"

 

That is a question I would love answering as well.

Does ACC need to be activated for this to work?

How do you know it works, or if there is a problem with it?

 

 

ACC does not have to be activated.

My car slammed on the brakes when a plastic bag blew over the grill, so I know mine works. If there was a problem with it I'm sure that you would get an error message.

Mine works, car pulling into a side road as slowly as possible and I was steering the car around it, but obviously it felt that wasn’t enough so tightened the seat belt and slammed on the brakes

 

Gave me a fright, it’s annoying when it kicks in and you’re not expecting it

On 10/01/2021 at 21:04, ItalianJob said:

 

If the car in front comes to a stop then so do you. You have to dab the accelerator to get it to start off again, at least on mine you do. It then resumes up to the speed you set prior, or up to the speed

of the car in front.

 

 

You can start off again by taping the cruise control handle also. 

Emergency braking saved me today while reversing back down a lane into a side turning as a lorry was backing up towards me for a horse 

even though I was watching the camera with the low light I obviously got too close to the verge for the sensors as it kicked in and anchored me up solid before I hit anything!

second time it’s done that in reverse.

On 13/01/2021 at 17:46, SkudMissile21 said:

Emergency braking saved me today while reversing back down a lane into a side turning as a lorry was backing up towards me for a horse 

even though I was watching the camera with the low light I obviously got too close to the verge for the sensors as it kicked in and anchored me up solid before I hit anything!

second time it’s done that in reverse.

That's a different emergency braking system not the City emergency brake. The braking you are referring to is operated by the parking sensors and works up to 5mph. If you manoeuver more slowly it will not activate and so you can reverse/drive into something without it engaging. The front only city emergency brake operates above 5mph and only for forward movement

7 minutes ago, goath said:

That's a different emergency braking system not the City emergency brake. The braking you are referring to is operated by the parking sensors and works up to 5mph. If you manoeuver more slowly it will not activate and so you can reverse/drive into something without it engaging. The front only city emergency brake operates above 5mph and only for forward movement

 

Im more confused!

 

City Emergency if above 5mph when driving forward (is this part of Front Assist)

 

There is another braking linked to parking sensors which works "up to 5mph" - but if you manoeuvre more slowly it will not activate? So it only works if you drive quicky (but slower than 5mph!) - 

 

Manoeuvre Assist - "The integrated Manoeuvre Assist brake function detects obstacles in front of and behind the vehicle and automatically brakes if necessary."

 

On 11/01/2021 at 10:47, goath said:

You know it works when it works and you'd know if there's a problem only if you aren't braking yourself as you'd hit whatever was the issue. It is a driver assistance system, not a driver replacement ine

 

 

This could be said of many driver assistance features on modern cars, ABS, Traction control etc, which I believe would all be checked under the MOT brake test.

 

5 minutes ago, Shugmo said:

This could be said of many driver assistance features on modern cars, ABS, Traction control etc, which I believe would all be checked under the MOT brake test.

 

None of those are actively checked for an MOT.

 

The only related 'check' is that there isn't a warning light lit

7 hours ago, JR RS said:

Manoeuvre Assist - "The integrated Manoeuvre Assist brake function detects obstacles in front of and behind the vehicle and automatically brakes if necessary."

 

 

Is Manoeuvre Assist on a 2018 model. I did a quick google, and it seems to be 2020/21 models? 

 

The manual for the 2018 model however refers to "Automatic Emergency Braking". I think it is a similar system, but you should not rely on it and it is your problem when you crash! The later version seems to be more of an everyday assistant?

 

Automatic emergency braking

Read and observe and on page 215 first

.If the system detects a collision risk when travelling forwards or reversing at aspeed up to 8 km/h, there is an automatic emergency braking to reduce the impact consequences.

 

 

BLIS is excellent on dull motorway journeys to get your attention when being overtaken. ACC is very relaxing, the only 'irritation' when it decides to play safe as cars turn right for left and it slows when it's obviously safe to proceed. Additionally, if you approach a junction/roundabout with ACC activated and nothing in front of you, the ACC system will carry you right through the junction. Emergency auto braking whilst reversing slowly does work well, if you are inattentive. I haven't tried it out whilst going forwards but assume it will save an expensive and embarrassing dent. 

2 hours ago, Jase_31 said:

 

Is Manoeuvre Assist on a 2018 model. I did a quick google, and it seems to be 2020/21 models? 

 

The manual for the 2018 model however refers to "Automatic Emergency Braking". I think it is a similar system, but you should not rely on it and it is your problem when you crash! The later version seems to be more of an everyday assistant?

 

Automatic emergency braking

Read and observe and on page 215 first

.If the system detects a collision risk when travelling forwards or reversing at aspeed up to 8 km/h, there is an automatic emergency braking to reduce the impact consequences.

 

 

My 17 reg model has the manoeuvre assist and it works above 5mph or so - if you are reversing (mine doesn't have front sensors so I can't comment on that) and there's an obstruction it will brake heavily - if you miove more slowly it doens't activate.  Front braking asisstance from the 'city emergency brake' works separately and is a avoidance of collision on the move, not one designed to prevent the manoeuvering incidents

 

12 hours ago, Jase_31 said:

 

Is Manoeuvre Assist on a 2018 model. I did a quick google, and it seems to be 2020/21 models? 

 

The manual for the 2018 model however refers to "Automatic Emergency Braking". I think it is a similar system, but you should not rely on it and it is your problem when you crash! The later version seems to be more of an everyday assistant?

 

Automatic emergency braking

Read and observe and on page 215 first

.If the system detects a collision risk when travelling forwards or reversing at aspeed up to 8 km/h, there is an automatic emergency braking to reduce the impact consequences.

 

 

 

Manoeuvre Assist was introduced from MY18 onwards, at least with the Superb.

i have an MY17, and it didn't come with, or have the option for Manouevre Assist.

I'm not sure the reverse sensor brake assist thingy works in all situations.

 

It didn't stop me from clobbering one of the Co-op delivery robots (below) last year as I slowly reversed out of our drive. I heard the car sensors warning me that something was there but I couldn't see anything & it didn't apply the brakes automatically. Initially I couldn't see anything in my mirrors until I looked harder & then I spotted the top of the robot's orange reflector (on the flexy stick) waving about near the bottom of my rear window. TBF the robot was trying to take avoiding action of it's own but I still managed to push it off the pavement into the road . Luckily no harm was done & after a minute the robot "re-booted" & went on it's way. Cute little things these Starship delivery robots which are all over Milton Keynes & surrounding areas (Northampton as well now). Actually they are easier to spot at night when they have headlights on & the illuminated orange reflector is easier to spot. Starship Robots    Edit. Just seen other posts. Could be my 2016 L&K does not have this feature.

Edited 20 January, 20215 yr by Colin170CR

11 hours ago, Colin170CR said:

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Initially I couldn't see anything in my mirrors until I looked harder & then I spotted the top of the robot's orange reflector (on the flexy stick) waving about near the bottom of my rear window. TBF the robot was trying to take avoiding action of it's own but I still managed to push it off the pavement into the road . Luckily no harm was done & after a minute the robot "re-booted" & went on it's way. <SNIP>

 

A small crawling child wouldn't have a warning flag or the ability to avoid you - if the sensor triggers you have to STOP! (Well I would).

Why dont you reverse onto the drive? Rather than reverse into traffic, any incident would be 'due care' and you'd be stuffed.

What's the best way to check if Front Assist is working?  I have never driven a car with automatic emergency braking before and I won't have confidence in it until I've experienced it actually working.

I drive a 2020 Kamiq 1.5tsi, 7 speed dsg.  I've tested emergency braking while reversing into a cardboard box and it works as expected.   I've tried doing the same thing driving forward with Front Assist on but it's never worked. The dash indicators look correct to show Front Assist is available and at 20 km/h I plough straight into the large cardboard box with no response from any emergency braking.  On the motorway the collision indicator comes on if I approach the rear of another vehicle. Usually, with Front Assist set to Early Warning, the collision indicator comes on at about two car lengths away from the vehicle in front. There is no audible warning and the brakes to not pulse or operate in any way.  Does this sound like the system is working normally? Any suggestions on how to test it? Thanks in advance for any help you can give.

ACC is super useful on my 70 plate superb

 

Will actually bring you to a stop at a roundabout for example if the car in front has stopped and will move you off again.

5 hours ago, FyllCee said:

What's the best way to check if Front Assist is working? 

 

When I push the ACC stalk forward to turn it off, I get the message in the cluster saying "ACC and Front Assist no longer available"

@FyllCeeFront Assist does seem to be working - the 'you're too close to the car in front' indicator you've seen is the first level of warning and proves your radar sensor is working - level two is a chime and message 'Apply the Brake!'; level three is an automatic brake application which can be late and very harsh.

 

Your experiments with the box will have triggered the automatic braking for low speed manouevres that uses the parking sensors and works up to 8km/h, the radar sensor won't see a stationary box.