Hi all, I'm  considering changing my Superb Sportline 2.0tdi(190) for a Karoq which will suit our needs more appropriately. Just looking fir opinions of owners on the two petrol engines .. sufficient power/economy etc.

Secondly, the karoq sportline,.does it come with glass roof as standard and does the roof open aa standard?

 

Thanks Guys n gals

The biggest issue is that the 1.5TSI is available as a manual or DSG whereas the 190 TSi is DSG only.

 

If you want a manual gearbox like I did you can't have the 190 engine in petrol or diesel.

 

The best engine I could get ( well, torqueist!) with a manual gearbox was the 2.0TDI 150 .

 

If you prefer DSG then I would have gone for the 2.0 petrol.

 

Yes the Sportline has a glorious Pano roof as standard and both the blind and the roof open electrically.....

 

A fantastic car (in my opinion.....!!)

Thanks Phil, massive help 👍

I can confirm the Sportline comes with a large pano opening sunroof. And you can only get the 2.0TSI in a Sportline. 

 

I'm very happy with my 2.0 TSI, but I'd have a DSG transmission anyway - this is my third VAG car with one, and I've no wish to return to manual gearboxes. 

The Sportline also has the paddles to change gears manually if you wish - but well tucked away so they don't interfere with the other stalks.

 

The 2.0 TSI also comes with the Haldex 4x4 to help out if the front wheels start to skid. (I've no idea if they've helped me yet, even in the snow, as there's no indicator signal that it's active, but it's comforting to know it's there if needed.)

 

There's a fuel consumption hit of course, and extra servicing costs for the rear Haldex unit down the road, but even with the cold weather and short lockdown journeys I'm getting around 30 mpg according to the info system instead of the 40 mpg I was getting with my previous Golf SV 1.4 TSI DSG for similar journeys. 

 

The other difference is that the 2.0 TSI has a shallower boot floor than the 1.5 TSI (so restricting you to a space-saver spare wheel) and fully independent rear suspension. It also has 225/45 R19 tyres rather than the 225/40 R19's fitted to the 1.5 so should be slightly more comfortable with the deeper tyre profile.

 

And I'm sure it will be great fun to drive once I've managed to run it in and escape for a long drive!!

Edited 12 February, 20215 yr by CJJE

Last summer I went from an Octavia vRS 220 with DSG to  1.5 TSI Karoq with 148/150 bhp. The power band is unusual in the 1.5 - it revs freely to the red line (and the box hlods on to higher gears than I prefer, the engine is a bit noisy at high revs) but the torque is delivered well below top revs - a bit like a diesel.  Looking at official figures, the 2.0 TSI only has marginal performance improvements (top speed is largely irrelevant these days!) and I think the added weight of the 4WD system is partly the reason. But I suspect the 4WD doesn't produce the standing start front wheel spinnning which is a bit embarrassing. The Octavia was like that too, all down to lack of weight over the front wheels (my previous Saab 9-5 with 220bhp and the same performance as the vRS never lost traction at the traffic lights).

 

I'm a bity disappointed in the mpg, Driving fairly staidly I'm getting around 33, 34 mpg per tankful. I'd expect to get  a little over 40 on a long run, 200 miles plus, which I do a few times a year. The 2 litre Octavia matched these figures with no difficulty. OK, the Karoq's a bit of a brick compared to the Octavia, but this is a new engine in the VAG group, with cylinder deactivation and all that.

 

The Karoq is a very good car, and suits my driving these days, almost.  It's very comfortable, as good as the Saab and that was GOOD.  I'd really like it to have another 20, 25 bhp, and better front wheel traction.   I think the 19" wheels might be a bit harsh compared with the 18" on my SE-L. But that's my preference.

 

Whether you're buying new or used, you need to try both engines to see which you prefer.  Don't be blinded by the various cabin toys -  choose the wrong engine and you might regret it every day.  

Noted Gecko.. appreciate your time and sound knowledge/advice 👍

3 hours ago, CJJE said:

I can confirm the Sportline comes with a large pano opening sunroof. And you can only get the 2.0TSI in a Sportline. 

 

I'm very happy with my 2.0 TSI, but I'd have a DSG transmission anyway - this is my third VAG car with one, and I've no wish to return to manual gearboxes. 

The Sportline also has the paddles to change gears manually if you wish - but well tucked away so they don't interfere with the other stalks.

 

The 2.0 TSI also comes with the Haldex 4x4 to help out if the front wheels start to skid. (I've no idea if they've helped me yet, even in the snow, as there's no indicator signal that it's active, but it's comforting to know it's there if needed.)

 

There's a fuel consumption hit of course, and extra servicing costs for the rear Haldex unit down the road, but even with the cold weather and short lockdown journeys I'm getting around 30 mpg according to the info system instead of the 40 mpg I was getting with my previous Golf SV 1.4 TSI DSG for similar journeys. 

 

The other difference is that the 2.0 TSI has a shallower boot floor than the 1.5 TSI (so restricting you to a space-saver spare wheel) and fully independent rear suspension. It also has 225/45 R19 tyres rather than the 225/40 R19's fitted to the 1.5 so should be slightly more comfortable with the deeper tyre profile.

 

And I'm sure it will be great fun to drive once I've managed to run it in and escape for a long drive!!

 

CJJE appreciate your knkwledge .. thanks 👍

Currently the 2litre tsi is only in Sportline trim and is a hefty £4125 more than the 1.5tsi DSG

 

It also weighs a hefty 2150 kg which is 220kg more than 1.5tsi and obviously the 4wd system adds weight.  Do you really want to carry around the equivalent of 9 25kg sacks of cement as extra weight.  Yes the grip is better than 2wd but you could buy a winter wheels set for a fraction of the extra £4125

 

https://www.skoda.co.uk/_doc/c63f4efb-a760-4a48-931f-baad88d42aa6

 

Just to put it in perspective at 2150kg it exceeds the 2tonne limit in London’s Rotherhithe tunnel

 

Bought new in Jan 2018 our 1.5TSi front wheel drive manual Karoq is surprisingly good to drive thanks to the good power to weight (150PS and 1,305kg). Don't think I've ever been over 100mph in it in 3 years and 29,200 miles. Top speed is 126mph but it's not that sort of car. It is quiet and relaxing unless you extend it to the redline which it doesn't mind. In winter our car does 38-45mpg and in summer 45-55mpg and overall has averaged 46mpg which is pretty good for a compact SUV. Best was 66mpg IIRC. Just passed it's first MOT with no issues and just had new wiper blades front/rear from Halfords for £49 fitted. Came with 2 free services and second one due in 7 months time so not a penny on servicing yet. Original 18" alloys on our SEL came with Michelin Primacy 3 tyres in unusual 215/50R18 size which are expensive to replace so after 27,000 miles I put my Superb 8J alloys on with Bridgestone S001 235/40R19 tyres and although economy has dropped still can get 51mpg and there is huge grip in corners which is amusing from such a high seating position. Ride is still decent on these wide wheels and tyres with barely any more road noise on the motorway and it is a quiet cruiser also. Only paid £23,500 new for it and the SEL really is the pick of the range with such a good level of standard kit the only option on our car is the metallic paint. Even the alcantara/leather interior is still like brand new and it is so practical being able to fold the 3 rear seats and clip them onto the front seats turns it into a small van. Wife loves it and we have no intention of replacing it for many years more service. 

1 hour ago, SurreyJohn said:

Currently the 2litre tsi is only in Sportline trim and is a hefty £4125 more than the 1.5tsi DSG

 

It also weighs a hefty 2150 kg which is 220kg more than 1.5tsi and obviously the 4wd system adds weight.  Do you really want to carry around the equivalent of 9 25kg sacks of cement as extra weight.  Yes the grip is better than 2wd but you could buy a winter wheels set for a fraction of the extra £4125

 

https://www.skoda.co.uk/_doc/c63f4efb-a760-4a48-931f-baad88d42aa6

 

Just to put it in perspective at 2150kg it exceeds the 2tonne limit in London’s Rotherhithe tunnel

 

That's the gross vehicle weight. The Minimum Kerbweight (with driver) for the 2.0TSI is 1584-1700kg, while the 1.5TSI DSG is  1387-1627kg. So that's an increase of only around 75kg. 

On 12/02/2021 at 21:14, CJJE said:

That's the gross vehicle weight. The Minimum Kerbweight (with driver) for the 2.0TSI is 1584-1700kg, while the 1.5TSI DSG is  1387-1627kg. So that's an increase of only around 75kg. 

 

 

In old money, that's still nearly 12 stone. A permanent passenger.

On 12/02/2021 at 21:03, SurreyJohn said:

Currently the 2litre tsi is only in Sportline trim and is a hefty £4125 more than the 1.5tsi DSG

 

It also weighs a hefty 2150 kg which is 220kg more than 1.5tsi and obviously the 4wd system adds weight.  Do you really want to carry around the equivalent of 9 25kg sacks of cement as extra weight.  Yes the grip is better than 2wd but you could buy a winter wheels set for a fraction of the extra £4125

 

https://www.skoda.co.uk/_doc/c63f4efb-a760-4a48-931f-baad88d42aa6

 

Just to put it in perspective at 2150kg it exceeds the 2tonne limit in London’s Rotherhithe tunnel

 

lol no way karoq is over 2 tonnes

karoq is a small SUV and a small car in general

only bigger SUVs have more than 2 tonnes of weight (and medium sized ones if they have all wheel drive)..

3 hours ago, Fux said:

lol no way karoq is over 2 tonnes

karoq is a small SUV and a small car in general

only bigger SUVs have more than 2 tonnes of weight (and medium sized ones if they have all wheel drive)..

The GROSS weight is indeed 2150kg - but that is an indication of its maximum weight when fully loaded. The kerb weight tells you how heavy it is on its own, or with a driver (depending which figure you use. 

1 hour ago, CJJE said:

The GROSS weight is indeed 2150kg - but that is an indication of its maximum weight when fully loaded. The kerb weight tells you how heavy it is on its own, or with a driver (depending which figure you use. 

 

gross weight is irrelevant unless you own a business and frequently use karoq for transporting goods

standard karoq is around 1.4~tonnes in weight - have you seen the 1.0TSI in it? that engine is so small that it doesn't even take up the half of the engine bay (which could pose a problem when you need traction and there isn't enough weight on the front wheels..), 1.5TSI isnt that much larger either.. the 4x4 version is a lot heavier tho, but still its below 2tonnes if I am not mistaken

 

either way, gross weight doesn't matter for your everyday buyer, as most of them use cars to go from and to work, basic shopping, etc

Last month, I dropped from an L&K Superb to a Sportline Karoq. It’s the same 2 litre engine and the kit is almost the same due to getting added extras on the Karoq like heated seats and windscreen. My biggest surprise was the reduced mpg on the Karoq due to the 4x4. The Superb was really efficient, giving around 40 mpg both in local driving and motorways. I knew that I’d take some mpg hit because the car before the Superb was a 1.4 Tiguan with 4x4, which was really disappointing on fuel and spun the front wheels during acceleration. It was comfortable to drive, but hardly a fun experience. The Karoq’s bigger engine is much better for me and, as others have noted, there’s reassurance in knowing that the 4x4 will help in poor road conditions. I’d suggest that you go for the bigger engine. 

 

As an extra thought, I tend to buy nearly new cars and don’t use PCP deals. I’ve found that you can get attractive prices on ex-demo and similar vehicles. I also found that my local dealer, Marshalls, is keen to pull in cash in these hard times and therefore would rather be extra competitive on price, rather than having cars hanging around for ages. I was pleased with my trade-in price for the Superb. I also waited a while and monitored the Karoq's price. When they took £1500 off, that made my decision for me and I took the plunge on the Karoq. So far, I've been impressed at how really easy it is to drive compared to the limo-length Superb, even though I loved the Superb!

Thanks for all the opinions guys 👍

D-Cunningham..

What are your opinions on cabin space?

We can't view/sit in/drive one at present and at 6'2" and 15 stone I'm cautious.. 

Tommo11 - 

My pal of over 6' and around 23 stone had no problems in his Karoq. There's obviously plenty of headroom if you're long in the body, and legroom was never an issue for him. (His Karoq's been replaced by a Mazda 2 - really - since his wife now has a Mazda CX-30, which is slightly more cramped upfront  than the Karoq.)  I don't have your problem because I'm only 5'6" and 10 stone, so I'd have room to spare in a Superb!

 

The Karoq isn't a small car.  It's a medium sized car. Definitely smaller inside than a Superb, but then what isn't?  My neighbour traded a previous generation Superb estate for an Octavia hatch and is happy with the reduction is space, even with two leggy teenagers.  The Karoq cabin is differently proportioned than the Octavia, my reference point, but overall the useable space is the same. Me, my big pal, our wives and ten days luggage all fitted easily and comfortably in his Karoq for a tour of Northern Scotland, covering nearly 1500 miles in late 2019. We never felt cramped or overcrowded.

 

If size is a concern, have you considered a Kodiaq ?

Gecko, thats great thanks.. as i said prior.. normally you get to try etc..

As fir kodiac, we don't need that much space or 7 seats etc. 

 

Thanks again all.👍

I’m 6’ and just under 16st (was 18st when I picked up my car in June 20) and find the fit absolutely fine.  My last cars were Disco 3s and 4s, so a fair change in size .  My longest day’s drive was 600 miles and got out as fresh as a daisy.   
 

PS Re trying, I hadn’t even sat in one before I picked mine up.  Living life on the ragged edge!  

Edited 16 February, 20215 yr by DSL

DSL appreciate yoir input.. as I've said .. strange times when you cant sample the goods..

Thanks again 👍

Not sure I’d have bothered trying one even in “normal” times, my IL’s have one and they weren’t complaining about anything, which is most unusual, so it must be good.    Also this one came up as pre-registered with £11k discount over list so it was a case of bite quickly before anyone else does.  

I'm 6ft and 14 1/2 stone, and find the front seats fine, without even pushing it right back. There's less legroom in the back than my previous Golf SV had with its sliding rear seat right back, but we seldom carry passengers in the back so it's not a problem for us, and if the Golf's rear seat was slid forward to match the Karoq's boot space it would be pretty similar. Headroom is no problem in the front or rear.  

I'm 5'7" so I'll keep out of the chat about size! My buying experience might interest you. I've used Marshall in Oxford to buy my Superb as well as my Karoq. I've found them to be very good - thorough and professional. It was my experience when buying the Superb that gave me the confidence to trade it in, at a decent price, and to buy the Karoq based only on its pictures on the Marshall website. The handover was done using their Covid-compliant safety regime, which impressed me. I'm happy with the outcome. The message I'm giving is - make sure that you're confident in the franchise dealer that you're working with and a "sold unseen" purchase should be fine. Marshall have impressed me in that regard. 

As a PS, I helped my stepson to find a Fabia recently down in Harlow. He too got a cracking deal, trading in a CitiGo at a good price and getting his Fabia at a bargain price. Once again, just now Marshall seem content to make selling their cars a priority, rather than making the maximum surplus on each car they sell. Just a thought.

I have been up to 23 stone in a Yeti and the seats in that were rather uncomfortably narrow whilst I exceeded 19st. I am now down to 14st and find the Karoq seats are wider compared to the Yeti seats, so you could probably fit a huge person in this car.

 

If you buy a version with electric seats, as mine has, it gives a lot more options for adjustment