Front Suspension Spring Dislocated

[nidgep]

hi,

 

Hope someone can provide advice on what could cause the front suspension spring to dislocate? (see photos).

It's the NSF.

Happened yesterday whilst driving around a roundabout (loud "clunk"). Speed was low and luckily only a mile or so from home.

The spring has come out of the lower strut socket and is now touching the droplink bracket.

From what I can see the spring has not broken (which was my first impression/expectation).

 

Car is a 2008 Octavia Scout TDi. BMM 2.0 (reg. March 2008)

 

The front springs and bearings were all replaced around 4 years ago with OEM parts, including droplinks.

Steering rack was replaced early last year, including track rod ends and has only covered < 10K miles.

 

By chance the car has just been through it's MOT - used my regular reputable garage, and car has done approx 200 miles since MOT.

Also at the time of the MOT, I requested that the tracking be checked and all reported OK.

 

Can the spring simply be reseated (in place??), or should the strut be removed, disassembled in order to find what's gone wrong?

Prior to this happening, the steering felt fine, no particualr noises or unusual steering feedback.

 

I'm hoping there is a known root cause and solution (part no's greatly appreciated if possible).

 

Thanks in advance to anyone willing to share their knowledge and offer advice.

[Breezy_Pete]

Must be broken at one end or the other, I think.

[Carlston]

The BMM engine has the following specification as you can see in the wikipedia chart below:

 

2.0TDI DPF 8v SOHC PD Pumpe Duse engine with 140PS at 4,000rpm and 320Nm at 1,750rpm

 

Diesel engines
1.6 TDI DPF	1598 cc 16v DOHC common rail (CR)	105 PS (77 kW; 104 bhp) at 4,400	250 N⋅m (184 lbf⋅ft) at 1,500–2,500	CAYC	2009– present
1.9 TDI (3)	1896 cc 8v SOHC PD (Pumpe Düse - Unit Injector)	105 PS (77 kW; 104 bhp) at 4,000	250 N⋅m (184 lbf⋅ft) at 1,900	BJB, BKC, BXE, BLS	2004– 2010
2.0 TDI DPF	1968 cc 8v SOHC PD (Pumpe Düse - Unit Injector)	140 PS (103 kW; 138 bhp) at 4,000	320 N⋅m (236 lbf⋅ft) at 1,750	BMM	2007– present
2.0 TDI (4)	1968 cc 16v DOHC PD (Pumpe Düse - Unit Injector)	136 PS (100 kW; 134 bhp) at 4,000	320 N⋅m (236 lbf⋅ft) at 1,750	AZV	2004– 2008
2.0 TDI (4)	1968 cc 16v DOHC PD (Pumpe Düse - Unit Injector)	140 PS (103 kW; 138 bhp) at 4,000	320 N⋅m (236 lbf⋅ft) at 1,750	BKD	2004– 2008
2.0 TDI DPF	1968 cc 16v DOHC common rail (CR)	140 PS (103 kW; 138 bhp) at 4,000	320 N⋅m (236 lbf⋅ft) at 1,750–2,500	CBAA, CBAB, CBDB, CFHC	2010– present
2.0 TDI DPF RS	1968 cc 16v DOHC PD (Pumpe Düse - Unit Injector)	170 PS (125 kW; 168 bhp) at 4,200	350 N⋅m (258 lbf⋅ft) at 1,750	BMN	2006– 2008
2.0 TDI DPF RS	1968 cc 16v DOHC common rail (CR)	170 PS (125 kW; 168 bhp) at 4,200	350 N⋅m (258 lbf⋅ft) at 1,750–2,500	CEGA	2008– present

 

Notes:

(3) Diesel particulate filter available as an option

(4) Diesel particulate filter not available

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Škoda_Octavia#Second_generation_(Typ_1Z;_2004)

 

Take a photo of the build codes that are shown on the white label under the carpet near the spare wheel well. These might give the code for your front springs.

 

Edited 4 September, 2021 by Carlston

[GreenMachine1.6]

I had a similar issue with a broken front spring on on a Peugeot 406 many years ago, took out the brake hose and CV boot. I have had 4 broken rear springs on my 2007 Octavia so not impossible, I suspect Wino above may not be short of the mark.    

[nidgep]

Thanks all for the replies.

I'll take a closer look but does seem reasonable that the spring has broken - especially when coupled with the noise made at the time.

Will update...

[Breezy_Pete]

If it's a genuine spring, there'll be a sequence of coloured paint marks on it. From that sequence we will be able to tell you the part number. 

 

[Guest]

From experience the front springs always snap at the lower pigtail, that yours has jumped out of the cup would suggest you have been over some rough terrain too.

[KenONeill]

^ seconded

[Carlston]

KYB RH2957 should fit the Octavia 2.0TDI MK2 Scout 4x4

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234096696212?hash=item3681401b94%3Ag%3AJY8AAOSwYuhg9p8S&LH_ItemCondition=3

 

They are similar to OEM part numbers 1K0411105DK and 1K0411105DL.

KYB RH2957 Coil Spring Front Axle

• Length [mm]: 348
• Diameter [mm]: 149
• Thickness [mm]: 13.5
• Weight [kg]: 2.47

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/kyb/834293

 

 

Front Springs for Octavia 2.0TDI MK2 Scout 4x4 

(1)	1K0411105DK	coil spring 3 paint marks	orange Model data: PR-L60
(1)	1K0411105DL	coil spring 4 colour strokes	orange Model data: PR-L61
(1)	1K0411105DM	coil spring 2 paint marks	violet Model data: PR-L66
(1)	1K0411105DN	coil spring 3 paint marks 1 paint mark	pink brown Model data: PR-L67

 

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/OCT/year/2008/drive_standart/419/hg_ug/411/subcategory/411012/part_id/2561497/lang/e

 

Edited 4 September, 2021 by Carlston

[gav_is_con]

Had the same on my NSF 2005 octy. I just replaced the whole strut with a used low mile spare, a couple of years back. 

[nidgep]

Thanks very much to everyone for their help and information.

Thanks to @Carlston for the very useful information.

 

As suspected/suggested - the front spring is broken at the bottom, which for whatever reason contributed to the spring breaking free from the cup.

 

Found the part numbers for the parts currently fitted to the car.

All are OEM - purchased from Skoda.

 

1K0411105DM - Coil Spring
1K0412331B    - Strut top
1K0412249B    - Bearing
1K0411315R    - Droplink
1T0413031HL - Shock absorber

 

Given the mileage on the car, think that it's a good time to also change the front shocks..

 

Could someone please confirm the correct replacement KYB part numbers for the above including the bellows and bump stop.

As @Carlston mentioned the KYB spring part number is KYB RH2957.

Seems that the 1T0413031HL shock absorber is no longer available since 2011?

 

KYB 910177 - Bellow and bump stop

KYB SM1714 - Strut bearing kit

KYB 335808 - Shock absorber (car has 55mm body and 25mm piston/rod)

 

Thanks again

[Breezy_Pete]

8 minutes ago, nidgep said:

Seems that the 1T0413031HL shock absorber is no longer available since 2011?

Superseded by suffix JD of the same base number: Buy 1T0413031HL gas shock absorber Skoda, Volkswagen genuine OEM part (oemwolf.com)

[Carlston]

3 hours ago, nidgep said:

1K0411105DM - Coil Spring

 

Kilen 23123 matches 1K0411105DM

 

Available on ebay for £51.07 for both front springs (ie. under £26 each)

 

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/174765026545?epid=897187141&hash=item28b0ceacf1%3Ag%3ADx4AAOSwx6ZgsMDL&LH_ItemCondition=3

 

KYB RA3364 also matches 1K0411105DM

 

 

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/kyb/7909084

 

Edited 7 September, 2021 by Carlston

[KenONeill]

7 hours ago, nidgep said:

the front spring is broken at the bottom, which for whatever reason contributed to the spring breaking free from the cup.

Hint - A broken spring is shorter than a complete one

[Carlston]

On 04/09/2021 at 12:49, nidgep said:

Car is a 2008 Octavia Scout TDi. BMM 2.0 (reg. March 2008)

The front springs were replaced around 4 years ago with OEM parts

 

Front OEM Scout springs don't usually break after just 4 years.

 

Maybe someone charged you for front OEM springs but fitted cheap aftermarket springs.

 

If they are OEM 1K0411105DM front springs they will have 2 violet dots on them. Keep these old springs, clean them up, and check that they do have 2 violet dots. Aftermarket springs don't have these coloured dots. No dots, and someone has fitted cheap aftermarket springs.

 

1K0411105DM Front Springs

1K0411105DM

2 violet paint marks/dots

 

Edited 7 September, 2021 by Carlston

[Me-109]

Mine snapped at the start of this year, leaving the broken end just captured on the lower seat.

https://flic.kr/p/2kvG8eR

Replaced with KYB struts, springs and top mounts. 50mm strut so part numbers no use here.

Edited 11 September, 2021 by Me-109
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[Golf-Fiend]

On a 2008 car I’d be tempted to buy a full suspension kit from an online supplier. Obviously making sure it’s suitable for your model of car. A good kit will last at least 6 years and beyond by which time the car will be 19 years old. It will cost considerably less than OEM and you’ll be on fresh components on all four corners 

[ule]

Question for those who replaced front coil springs. I have the same car 2008 Octavia Scout TDi BMM 2.0. Front springs have two violet dots, soo the OEM number should be 1K0411105DM. Which one after market springs did you install? Name of company, serial nuber,....

[Carlston]

16 hours ago, ule said:

Question for those who replaced front coil springs. I have the same car 2008 Octavia Scout TDi BMM 2.0. Front springs have two violet dots, soo the OEM number should be 1K0411105DM. Which one after market springs did you install? Name of company, serial nuber,....

 

KYB RA3364 should match 1K0411105DM as that is the only OEM part number shown against that spring.

 

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/kyb/7909084

 

https://www.amazon.de/Frankberg-Fahrwerksfeder-Vorderachse-2009-2017-1K0411105DM/dp/B09KR5YPYX/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=VHE2Q2YNA1C4&keywords=1K0411105DM&qid=1650667288&sprefix=1k0411105dm%2Caps%2C57&sr=8-1

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Suspension-Springs-Front-2009-2017-1K0411105DM/dp/B09KR5YPYX/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2SGCX5GWZBJ1K&keywords=1K0411105DM&qid=1650667397&sprefix=1k0411105dm%2Caps%2C52&sr=8-1

 

You could also consider Kilen 23123 and Lesjofors 4085724 which should also be matched to 1K0411105DM. These two springs are the same, just sold under different brand names. Kilen and Lesjofors are made in the same factory in Sweden.

 

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/1k0411105dm?search=OEN+1K0411105DM&supplier[0]=246&supplier[1]=85&supplier[2]=253

[ule]

I forgot to say thank you. I installed Lesjofors 4085724. Fits perfect. Now I'm searching oem number for rear shocks absorbers. Does anybody have oem number? On front shock absorber is sticker with number 1T0413031HL, but on rear, the sticker is washed. 

[Carlston]

7 hours ago, ule said:

I forgot to say thank you. I installed Lesjofors 4085724. Fits perfect. Now I'm searching oem number for rear shocks absorbers. Does anybody have oem number? On front shock absorber is sticker with number 1T0413031HL, but on rear, the sticker is washed. 

 

1K0513029ET is the OEM part number for the rear shock absorbers on the Octavia MK2 estate 4x4 rough-road design, ie. Scout.

 

1K0513029ET is listed against Sachs 310950 and many other rear shock absorbers.

 

skoda parts catalogue

https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/skoda/CZ/OCT/419/5/511/511012

 

1K0513029ET

Sachs 310950

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/1k0513029et?search=OEN 1K0513029ET&supplier[0]=32

 

If you want Bilstein B4 rear shock absorbers, then Bilstein B4 19-183749 might be suitable as it's listed against all Yeti 4x4 rear shock absorbers. However, 1K0513029ET isn't listed against this shock absorber.

 

Bilstein B4 19-183749

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/633905?search=BILSTEIN Shock Absorber (19-183749)

 

Edited 5 January, 2023 by Carlston