Shortages UK

[lol-lol]

4 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

If people are getting to travel at 70 mph or above that then the traffic must be freely traveling.  Not then  likely to be in built up areas on in roads that are lower than the 60mpg NSL or in the restricted speed areas below that.  

 

As the millions of drivers pile down the M1, A1M,  M3, M4, M11, M40, M23 etc and A roads, A12, A13 etc yes the will be barrelling at 70 or even 75 genuine ie near 80 indicated until they get to the flashing warning that the M25 has the usual 50 or 40 mph that the M25 has at busy times and we all know this controls the best organised flow of traffic as well as much better fuel/energy consumption ie around that peachy 50 mph were cars can be using two thirds of fuel/energy  that it would 70 mph and hence extend the distance they need to refuel at by a hundred miles or so.

 

Interesting to hear that jewel of the Con party Lord Zac Goldsmith state that...

Fuel crisis is good lesson on need to abandon fossil fuels, says minister

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/fuel-crisis-is-good-lesson-on-need-to-abandon-fossil-fuels-says-minister/ar-AAP515N

 

In an interview with The Independent Lord Goldsmith said queues at petrol stations amid current shortages should serve as a reminder of the need to accelerate the switch to electric vehicles.  He also dismissed fears the current difficulties could make it harder to achieve political and public backing for an agreement to tackle the climate emergency at the forthcoming Cop26 summit in Glasgow.  It’s a pretty good lesson on the need to unhook ourselves from dependence on fossil fuels  Zac Goldsmith, environment minister Lord Goldsmith conceded the petrol shortages represented “a crisis” with serious implications for many businesses and people.

 

[skomaz]

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

 

Worcester featuring on the news again, just as in the start of the crisis, this time with Tolladine station rather than Lower Wick which was one of the first BP stations to run out of gasoline.

Lady operator of the station, which is independent, was reporting that things are much better in the West of England than clearly reported in the SE of England where delivery of fuel to fuel stations still sound to be problematic.

 

The lady did say that the last delivery of fuel was 12p a litre more than her previously delivery which I found startling.

 

What I have noticed is that, despite all the shortages, and I have been down to Heathrow as I do every few days, that I have not noticed there has not been one iota of change in driving style ie driving more economically, perhaps accept myself, where I am watching my dashboard in my EV and looking at each watt that is being used.

 

Perhaps we need measures like ex-Us president Jimmy Carter implemented the 55 mph (which effectively become 60 mph of course, to save fuel so driver so not have to go to the pumps so often ? 

 

 

 

Why impose something like that on the while country when a lot aren't affected by fuel suppky any more?

 

In fact that is part of the problem..   The media talking about shortages when in actual fact its a supply logistics issue...

Edited 3 October, 2021 by skomaz

[Ootohere]

Lets see how electric prices go with the Global rise with Coal, Gas, Oil & imported electricity, and minerals and transportation of all the energy sources.

 

Lets see if the North Sea & Irish Sea and any areas around the British Isles do have less oil and gas being brought ashore and the licences for exploration and productions are withdrawn. 

More will need to come from closer to the UK and at the price of production with profits for the companies rather than the UK paying global prices for a product that the UK Nations own and allow others to harvest for them. 

 

Just do it!

Build that Nuclear Power Station right next to London, build the Solar Farms and Windfarms next to London to power 

Londons electric vehicles & transportation system.

If Electricity can not be generated in the London Area for the people of London then do not allow the lowest tariffs to be available to Londoners.

 

 

 

 

Edited 3 October, 2021 by e-Roottoot

[Ootohere]

Lord Zac Goldsmith did reveal his taxes in the UK.

He has green credentials.

https://www.ft.com/content/0aa4507c-d8f6-11e0-aff1-00144feabdc0

https://theguardian.com/environment/2012/jan/05/zac-goldsmith-green-movement-government

 

Call Me Dave was a supporter of those being green, especially relatives of his wife who travelled on Tax Payer funded UK Government Business Trips Abroad and were involved in Wind Turbines and investments, and also inlaws who owned land with windfarms that brought in large amounts of money to them.

 

Openness is important in Public Life and being Green should matter to everyone.

https://theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/15/zac-goldsmith-did-not-declare-family-interest-in-green-grant-cuts

 

Scottish Politicians can do rather well, leave politics to spend more time with the family and get a Peerage and spend more time making more money on policies you were behind when an elected politician. 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/421271/Peer-s-wind-farm-empire

https://www.energyvoice.com/renewable-energy-transition/142273/renewable-energy-ventures-secures-funding-aberdeenshire-windfarm

 

 

Edited 3 October, 2021 by e-Roottoot

[@Lee]

2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

The lady did say that the last delivery of fuel was 12p a litre more than her previously delivery which I found startling.

Why jack the price up by 12p/l if there's no shortage of fuel ? (just a shortage of fuel in the fuel stations)

[skomaz]

Sheer profiteering and taking advantage of the situation...

[Ootohere]

No idea when the lady last filled the tanks at her filling station and if the fuel then was from the same depot and travelled the same route.

The Filling Station as the fuel is delivered has to pay the Tax & Duty at that time. 

Then they get it back as the fuel is sold.

 

The UK Treasury is doing very well in the past 10 days, and from now on as the wholesale price rises and so much 'New purchases' are done from the Wholesellers. 

 

The Chairman of the Petrol Retailers Association did say that the wholesale price to get fuel had now risen by 3 pence a litre.

Brian Madderson is due to retire this year.

That is someone that does deserve a peerage.

 

He said those that profiteer now should be punished in the future and that is down to customers to do by swerving them.

 

Profiteering is different from those with more overheads now in getting fuel, more staff on for longer hours if open, 

and general extra costs.

 

Independents might well have to pay more to get tankers to deliver. 

There were independent groups with their own tankers collecting fuel for their filling stations, and they could maybe do that for others, but they have overheads, 

higher driver prices to pay.  Overtime maybe. Congestion Charges to pay and whatever else. 

Toll charges even. 

 

Edited 3 October, 2021 by e-Roottoot

[lol-lol]

19 minutes ago, @Lee said:

Why jack the price up by 12p/l if there's no shortage of fuel ? (just a shortage of fuel in the fuel stations)

 

The cost of crude all has gone up by 20% but that would not explain a near 10% rise in petrol supply prices but two other factors are at play here.  Firstly, as the competition law has been dropped the refiners can see it as a time to make profit after 18 tough months during the pandemic.

 

Secondly any rise in cost of goods and the process are magnified by the UK tax system of adding the Excise duty and then applying the VAT at the end of that process so if fuel is £1.45 or £1.50 a litre compared to 134p or 138p a litre the government VAT take is up  ie it would be 25p a litre just for the VAT and then the 58p a litre for the excise duty ie 73p a litre.

 

Some countries, such as Belgium, decrease their excise duty when the fuel gets expensive so the can know a few cents/pence off the pump price as they are still getting much of the tax as much is bought by those who cannot reclaim the VAT/TVA/GST. 

 

Crocodile smiles as it rakes in much extra tax whilst cries tears for those from Hampshire to Home countries who thrash around looking for fuel to keep their livelyhoods and in some cases people's live going. 

 

[lol-lol]

2 hours ago, skomaz said:

 

Why impose something like that on the while country when a lot aren't affected by fuel suppky any more?

 

In fact that is part of the problem..   The media talking about shortages when in actual fact its a supply logistics issue...

 

Two reasons I can think off.  Firstly to preserve stocks especially for those who really need the fuel ie community nurse, teachers getting to school, logistic workers ensuring supply of everything else.

Secondly pollution. What is good enough for Sheffield is good enough for other areas in the UK which have high population density.  Except for EVs who should be allowed to drive at 70 of course as they are not the problem..

 

https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/transport/drivers-warned-over-indefinite-new-60mph-speed-limit-on-m1-near-meadowhall-3253421

 

The restriction was imposed at the end of April by Highways England to address dangerously high air pollution in the area, and remains in place indefinitely.  Driving at 60mph, rather than the national speed limit, has been shown to significantly reduce emissions of harmful nitrogen dioxide (NO2).

  A 60mph limit was first introduced in March 2017 on the M1, during peak hours only, when junctions 28 to 35a were controversially turned into a ‘smart motorway’ with no hard shoulder.

[skomaz]

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

 

Two reasons I can think off.  Firstly to preserve stocks especially for those who really need the fuel ie community nurse, teachers getting to school, logistic workers ensuring supply of everything else.

Secondly pollution. What is good enough for Sheffield is good enough for other areas in the UK which have high population density.  Except for EVs who should be allowed to drive at 70 of course as they are not the problem..

 

https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/transport/drivers-warned-over-indefinite-new-60mph-speed-limit-on-m1-near-meadowhall-3253421

 

The restriction was imposed at the end of April by Highways England to address dangerously high air pollution in the area, and remains in place indefinitely.  Driving at 60mph, rather than the national speed limit, has been shown to significantly reduce emissions of harmful nitrogen dioxide (NO2).

  A 60mph limit was first introduced in March 2017 on the M1, during peak hours only, when junctions 28 to 35a were controversially turned into a ‘smart motorway’ with no hard shoulder.

 

But stocks aren't an issue for parts of the country...  So You're missing the point that preserving stocks in many areas isn't an issue.

 

As for Sheffield yes the M1 is reduced speeds for a very short section but that is irrelevant to this shortage thread.  It should also be noted that Sheffield council simply declared the whole of Sheffield as an AQMA rather than doing the job properly and only declaring the required areas as AQMA.  That action hs therefore made a mockery of the AQMA process and meaning here.  But that is for another thread

[@Lee]

Andrew Marr said to Johnson on his show this morning 120,000 pigs could be slaughtered and incinerated due to the shortage of vets and abattoir workers.

His response? Basically it was 'Well, they were gonna die anyway'.

Hardly the correct response you would expect of a sane, sensible leader. More like the response of a sociopath who doesn't have the first clue IMHO. 

FML 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤪

[@Lee]

What?  16:10 in the ticker https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/oct/03/boris-johnson-being-interviewed-by-andrew-marr-as-conservative-conference-opens-uk-politics-live?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16332766697072&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2Flive%2F2021%2Foct%2F03%2Fboris-johnson-being-interviewed-by-andrew-marr-as-conservative-conference-opens-uk-politics-live

 

 

Edited 3 October, 2021 by @Lee

[@Lee]

It's a tricky one isn't it? Who to believe - the pig farmers or Boris Alexander DePfeffel Johnson who hasn't got a great track record with the truth? 🤷‍♂️
@ 15:07 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/oct/03/boris-johnson-being-interviewed-by-andrew-marr-as-conservative-conference-opens-uk-politics-live?page=with:block-6159b5828f089420bc41bcd4#block-6159b5828f089420bc41bcd4
 

Anyone who voted no got a better alternative than rejoining the Single Market yet?

Edited 3 October, 2021 by @Lee

[@Lee]

Irony defined. Not enough staff (a shortage) to serve people at the Conservative party conference 
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/02/a-million-unfilled-jobs-and-no-one-to-serve-the-tories-in-manchester

[KenONeill]

2 hours ago, @Lee said:

Not enough staff (a shortage) to serve people at the Conservative party conference

The writers excelled themselves with that one!

[gadgetman]

After days of denying it 

 

 

[@Lee]

Like I said on the very first page; 'Cabotage'. One of the benefits of being in the Single Market. Anyone got a better Idea than joining the Single Market to alleviate shortages yet? Anyone......
Bueller...........Bueller............

 

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So if Poland is short of drivers, it still has plenty of reserves, as thousands of its trucks come to Poland only once in several weeks, and can always be recalled to do some work in Poland. Also, the local needs can be served by trucks from other European countries, who are free to do cabotage loads within Poland, or, thanks to freedoms provided by European Union, there is nothing that would stop for example an Estonian truck transporting goods between Poland and Italy. In other words, despite that shortage, Poland still has more drivers than Poland needs, and even if they are not available, it can easily plug the gaps with drivers from other EU countries (or even non-EU, remember that Poland is a transit country, and on the Polish road you can spot plenty of trucks from Belarus, Ukraine, Russia and beyond.

https://orynski.eu/fact-check-poland-needs-120-000-drivers-so-surely-they-must-have-even-biggest-shortages-than-britain/

Edited 4 October, 2021 by @Lee

[@Lee]

27 visa applications from EU fuel drivers. Tomorrow's Times (Newsnight)

 

 

Edited 4 October, 2021 by @Lee

[KenONeill]

10 hours ago, @Lee said:

27 visa applications from EU fuel drivers.

127 according to Bozo on BBC breakfast (~07:30BST) . Even so, it's sort of what I predicted last week, that drivers thrown out post WrecksIt have found permanent jobs and are in no rush to take up temporary posts in the UK.

[@Lee]

So, the culling of pigs which farmers were warning about has begun.
 

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About 600 pigs have been culled at farms across the country, according to Zoe Davies, the chief executive of the National Pigs Association, who said that culling had begun at a “handful” of farms. “We have moved to stage two,” Davies said. “Stage one was contingency planning and putting pigs in temporary accommodation. Stage two, we have not got any more space and pigs are growing, there are more on farm that we can manage.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/oct/05/pigs-culled-amid-uk-shortage-abattoir-workers?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[@Lee]

WTAF asking if the interviewers ever eaten a bacon butty has to do with the price of bacon (see what I did there?) has to do with it is anyone's guess.

 

Edited 5 October, 2021 by @Lee

[Ootohere]

The UK is just amazing with logistics with no help from the UK Governments that try to have it in crisis all the time.

 

Amazing farmers and producers that they are trying to put out of business at every turn.

 

Amazing low & semi skilled workers that they want to up-skill and earn more money and to tax more and leave the country still wanting the unskilled jobs and semi skilled and damn hard work jobs done and without high inflation so that those with a bit more money do not spend it all on just getting by.

 

He seems to now realise that people sleep in lorries and pee in bushes and have a terrible standard of a work environment.

He thinks better Truck Stops will be a good thing.

The Governments build roads and motorways so just plan in these truck stops and build them and then let people operate them.

As happens with Railways / will happen with HS2, they build the lines / tracks and the stations and sidings etc.

[gadgetman]

Not sure if others are seeing an improvement in the south east, but MK still has long queues of people draining petrol stations. 

 

Garages by work on the dual carriageway both out of fuel at 5.30 tonight 

[cheezemonkhai]

Personal post👍
 

I’m with them to a point on the need to have companies up wages as paying benefits to those is work is a bit broken. I also think that the number of people on unemployment benefits vs high number of job vacancies are two problems that could to a reasonable extent solve each other.

 

However to do that you need to keep an eye on inflation, have some key enterprises state owned and have state owned housing as an alternative to using in work benefits which subsidise rich private landlords…

 

Otherwise what levers are left to pull to bring down household bills if you needed to.

Edited 5 October, 2021 by cheezemonkhai

[kentphil1]

39 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

Not sure if others are seeing an improvement in the south east, but MK still has long queues of people draining petrol stations. 

 

Garages by work on the dual carriageway both out of fuel at 5.30 tonight 

No queues here, as there is no fuel to queue for.

 

Saw an army guy in a tanker on the A2, but he was riding passenger, presumably learning from the main driver who was in civvies. The result of that is more people, but still in the same number of tankers as before. Untill they ride solo in more vehicles, I can't see an immediate solution for a few days yet.