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Clutch bled or possibly cable alignment for me then.  Checking and topping up gearbox oil wouldn't hurt either, or my preference of a thorough change, same for clutch/brake fluid if required.

 

It's going to be sunny tomorrow. 😄

 

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  • It's sometimes a sign that the clutch isn't disengaging fully.   Can you select reverse easily when the engine isn't running?

  • Worth keeping in mind AnnoyingPentiums car is 15-16 years old and only has 50-60k miles on it. It wouldnt be too hard of a stretch to guess its got the original oil in it. Plenty of time for that oil

  • Lots of discussion about gearbox oil, all the views have their merits but good, bad, low or even a complete absence of gearbox oil will not make any difference to  reverse gear selection at standstill

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4 minutes ago, nta16 said:

It's going to be sunny tomorrow. 😄

 

It's sunny now, but I'm writing this from a train to Glasgow. :D

 

Due to the ongoing malarkey surrounding pandemics, I was at university one day a week, the rest was online either "live" or pre-recorded. However, I've been moved to having a lecture or seminar each day so I no longer have enough time to get jobs done on the car since commuting and education take up my daylight hours, unfortunately. :sadsmile:

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Overall getting a good education is a better use of your time than farting about with cars.  Might not seen it now but time passes so fast, a blink of the eye and you'll be your grandad's age.

 

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1 minute ago, nta16 said:

Overall getting a good education is a better use of your time than farting about with cars.

 

My sentiments exactly, Nigel. I'm very lucky to have the opportunity of going to University and I shan't squander it. :)

 

The reversing issue is pretty low on my priority list anyway since it doesn't cause a direct safety concern in my eyes since I'm more than capable of working round it. It's merely a niggle-type problem.

Look, this is getting annoying, we're getting sidetracked by semantics here, this isn't about right and wrong, that's for vicars and tarts to figure out.

 

Baulking going into a gear when stationary is usually caused by a dragging clutch loading the layshaft, it can be a worn linkage or it can be a faulty gearbox so work though the possible causes starting with bleeding the clutch.

It's worth resetting the gear linkage and it's worth topping up the gearbox oil in case the level has dropped.

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2 hours ago, sepulchrave said:

Baulking going into a gear when stationary is usually caused by a dragging clutch loading the layshaft, it can be a worn linkage or it can be a faulty gearbox so work though the possible causes starting with bleeding the clutch.

It's worth resetting the gear linkage and it's worth topping up the gearbox oil in case the level has dropped.

 

Thank you. I can put that on the troubleshooting list. :)

 

I'll get to this when, as mentioned, I won't freeze to death in the process. :D

You know your furby will hold it against you side tracking repairs blaming weather they like you out in the harshest of conditions working your fingers off to frostbite.

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3 minutes ago, Stewartasb said:

You know your furby will hold it against you side tracking repairs blaming weather they like you out in the harshest of conditions working your fingers off to frostbite.

 

No truer words have ever been spoken. I bet you it's reading this... somehow. :D

7 hours ago, sepulchrave said:

Look, this is getting annoying, we're getting sidetracked by semantics here, this isn't about right and wrong, that's for vicars and tarts to figure out.

Before that I put what you've just repeated, you're bulking the thread out unnecessarily, will you get annoyed with yourself for this, don't, breakout of your sharp monochrome and enter the world of fuzzy grey.

 

I was the vicar?

 

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In my case resetting the linkages seemed to help my car that did the same.

Could be coincidence, but considering its free and pretty easy to do I think thats the very first thing Ryan should do. 

Possibly with his being a 1.2 you could get access to the linkages even easier than on both my fabias. Well worth spending an hour or so sorting it even in the cold.

1 hour ago, nta16 said:

Before that I put what you've just repeated, you're bulking the thread out unnecessarily, will you get annoyed with yourself for this, don't, breakout of your sharp monochrome and enter the world of fuzzy grey.

 

I was the vicar?

 

 

No, I wrote that concurrently with you, I didn't know.

12 hours ago, sepulchrave said:

It's impossible for synchromesh to operate when the layshaft is in neutral and not moving, it can only work coming down from second to first and it can never work in reverse.

 

Think about it.

 

I get what you are saying in this context and gave you a like for it, however there are exceptions to what you say.

 

If while at a standstill with the engine idling you declutch very quickly and snatch first gear the input shaft will still be rotating under its own inertia and the synchroniser cone, cones in this gearbox, will bring it to a halt allowing first gear to be engaged, there is a tiny bit of baulking but would not be felt by someone snatching the gear.

 

doing the same thing on a vehicle without synchromesh on first gear would result in a crunch and us older drivers will have never lost the habit of always pausing after declutching before engaging first gear and doing it very gently, a crunch was a sign of a poor innatentive or uncaring driver.

 

Regarding synchro can never work in reverse, on this gearbox not if it doesnt have synchro but one ones that do like my vehicles for the last 3 decades then it can work in reverse under the exact same conditions and it will also enable reverse to be selected while the vehicle is rolling forwards, bad practice but it can be done, when I was young and with XR4x4 company cars I could get them in reverse at 20mph going forwards, I only did it when playing on snow or ice.

 

Editted, "baulking" mentioned above means resistance to the gear engaging while the synchro is doing its work, until the mainshaft and layshaft gear are synchronised (no rotational movement between them) the baulk ring prevents engagment of the gear.

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14 hours ago, sepulchrave said:

No, I wrote that concurrently with you, I didn't know.

Either you're internet connection or mine is tardy then as mine shows your post (now) about an hour later and there was another post in between.  But at least we're agreeing on something which is good. 🙂

Was I the vicar?

 

 

 

 

 

I can put this as 'e'll have stopped reading by now, I'd totally forgot about the clutch before, and thought it'd be cable, I just repeated his good idea.

 

 

14 hours ago, DieselMonte said:

In my case resetting the linkages seemed to help my car that did the same.

Could be coincidence, but considering its free and pretty easy to do I think thats the very first thing Ryan should do. 

Possibly with his being a 1.2 you could get access to the linkages even easier than on both my fabias. Well worth spending an hour or so sorting it even in the cold.

Definitely worth looking at as it's free and easy - but in the cold, no, no way, especially as it's not bad and can be worked around, definitely low priority, for now at least.

 

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No, you're being a tart.

 

Grab a cassock and go and join the vicars in the kitchen.

4 minutes ago, sepulchrave said:

No, you're being a tart.

 

Grab a cassock and go and join the vicars in the kitchen.

Do you know, I thought we'd meet before!  Well, well, small world.

 

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Right gents, that's enough of that.

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Just as an update to this thread:

 

The car failed the MOT yesterday for insufficient reserve travel on the handbrake. It received a pair of new rear wheel cylinders, new brake fluid and an adjustment of the handbrake. The issue hasn't returned in my day-to-day use of the car and since the clutch and brakes use the same reservoir for the fluid AFAIK, I believe this has cured the problem. Gear changes feel mildly better too.

 

Thanks all. :)

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3 hours ago, AnnoyingPentium said:

The car failed the MOT yesterday for insufficient reverse travel on the handbrake.

 

reserve 😉

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16 minutes ago, TMB said:

 

reserve 😉

 

Cheers, Lee. Edited accordingly, I just skimmed the certificate and read it as "reverse" and was thinking to myself that it didn't quite make sense. :D

18 minutes ago, AnnoyingPentium said:

 

Cheers, Lee. Edited accordingly, I just skimmed the certificate and read it as "reverse" and was thinking to myself that it didn't quite make sense. :D

 

In your defence, all the letters are the same, just in a different order 😁

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