Just now, HappySkoda said:

As i know, the answer is no. Only gasoline with 95, 98, 100 octane.

Sorry I did not make myself clear, the petrol does not show any difference at the pump, most customers (in the UK) will not know about this, it is just done.

 

11 hours ago, nta16 said:

IF the original Driver's Handbook does not tell you to press the clutch to start the car and your cars are in such good condition why do you feel you need to do this?

 

΅The reason that we do this is because we think that pressing the clutch frees the engine from the gearbox resistance at start-up, making the starter and battery work easier, also that if the battery is not in perfect condition and it's very cold outside this way those crucial seconds will make her task one click easier.

At cold start we turn the key, wait till the sound of the relay stops, press the clutch with gear on Neutral and turn the key.

When the motor starts immediately we release the clutch and let the car idle, we use that trick for decades, everybody knows it here.

 

10 hours ago, HappySkoda said:

Me personally, no. Never. I dont have a laptop with specific software to do it. 

 

Has nothing to do with laptop-software etc.

1) Remove both poles from battery

press the horn and turn the alarm (of course nothing will happen but this removes any remain ''electricity" from the whole circuit

remove the plastic clips from the ECU unit plugs (the small one has one and the second has two)

spray on the pins a little bit of Contact Cleaner

wait for few minutes

put the plugs back, pout the safety clips and connect the 2 poles

turn the key, wait for a minute and pull it off

put it back, turn it and when the motor starts drive normally foe few kilometres.

 

2) You have to visit a repair-shop, for FREE the mechanic will connect a laptop or a portable device to your OBD 1 port that you have on the right side, in few seconds he will find if there are any errors and will erase them.

 

54 minutes ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

The reason that we do this is because we think that pressing the clutch frees the engine from the gearbox resistance at start-up

It definitely means that the starter motor is not spinning the gearbox input shaft. How much resistance this generates is probably mostly dependent on how much (if any) of the input gears are in the oil.

12 hours ago, nta16 said:

do you have "summer" and "winter" blends in Greece?

 

These can be found in a Greek gas station.

 

 

 

49 minutes ago, KenONeill said:

Ιt definitely means that the starter motor is not spinning the gearbox input shaft.

 

For many of us is like kind of ''second nature" move, to be honest after so many years we don't search it too much, some guys do it some not.

 

In practice the clutch when disengaged does spin the input shaft unless a gear is selected, there is always drag, you can feel it if you push a car in neutral with someone inside steering, then do the same with a gear selected and the clutch disengaged, there is a considerable extra resistance so much so that one person alone can no longer get the car moving by pushing.

 

Those of us old enough who drove wrecks will know that when even a few of you push started someone the car should never be in gear until you had got it up to your max pushing speed & then you would shout to the driver to engage 2nd or 3rd & release the clutch.

 

That said it does no harm to disengage the clutch while cranking the engine, the resistance of the friction plate spinning between the flywheel & pressure plate may be less than the drag of the gear oil.

 

On my car you have to disengage the clutch to crank the engine even after 2 years it is still contrary to my nature.

3 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

The reason that we do this is because we think that pressing the clutch frees the engine from the gearbox resistance at start-up, making the starter and battery work easier, also that if the battery is not in perfect condition and it's very cold outside this way those crucial seconds will make her task one click easier.

As a temporary thing because the battery or starter has a fault fair enough but with a battery and starter in reasonable condition you should not have to worry about such things, it gets colder in the UK  than Greece and Skodas were designed and made for much colder countries than the UK so if it was required it would be in the Driver's Handbook.

 

I wonder if you and the ECU are fighting against each on on starting by doing this procedure.

 

I very much doubt I will convince you both to try my suggestion but if you try and the car starts and idles fine from trying you might see what I mean but I don't fight against beliefs, unless you do it to my car, what you do to your car is your business.

  

1 hour ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

These can be found in a Greek gas station.

Thanks, not what I meant but very interesting to see 100 and Autogas.

 

And I forgot you use the old soup-like gear oil - I am joking. 😄

 

Edited 18 December, 20214 yr by nta16

3 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Has nothing to do with laptop-software etc.

1) Remove both poles from battery

 Alternative -

 

 

 

Greece gets different Gasoline formulations for Summer & Winter like most countries / world regions where there are seasons of the year with changes in ambient temperatures that affect the volatility of fuel.  Fuel are delivered from around the world.  Winter gasoline is less hygroscopic.

Fuel quality in the EU in 2016.pdf

6 hours ago, nta16 said:

 

I wonder if you and the ECU are fighting against each on on starting by doing this procedure.

 

 

No news from the ECU programmer, i feel sad and i am worry.

The battery VooDoo guy made a mistake, it's common practise to connect the negative always last (he should spray and remove the detritus).

 

1 hour ago, roottoot said:

Greece gets different Gasoline formulations for Summer & Winter

 

No. Since the 60's we have 4 Oil Refineries, we buy from them no matter the brand.

 

https://www.helpe.gr/en/the-group/from-past-to-present/

 

" is acquired by the Greek State which fully controls the refining, distribution and trading of oil products."

 

https://www.moh.gr/en/company/about-us/

 

" It has the capacity to process various types of crude oil and manufactures a wide range of oil products. It supplies commercial oil companies in Greece, but the bulk of its production is sold abroad. Moreover, it is the only refinery that produces base oils in Greece."

 

1 hour ago, roottoot said:

Fuel are delivered from around the world.

 

I think only Shell V-Power 100 Racing was imported back in the middle of 2000 era.

The refineries will still produce to suit the hottest months and the coldest. 

 

https://mdpi.com/2673-3994/2/4/29/htm

 

Edited 18 December, 20214 yr by roottoot

What the chemists do inside it's their work but as long as i live i have never heard or read comments as ''let's take from the A has more fresh fuel than the B"

Even the guys which make the programmes for cars with 700+ HP here in Greece have safeguards because they don't know if the driver pushes the car winter or summer.

Yes for the turbo-guys things are better than hot summer but this is another story.

 

The fact is that we don't import fuel for decades now as other countries do.

Well we did buy our Super Unleaded in certain months to keep for Sprinting and racing, but then that is because we knew what we were buying.

What people do not know is their issue and when you are looking to be competitive then why help them. 

Just because they are not aware of stuff does not mean it is not true.

(As it is for special occasions instead of just 99 ron min i would pay  more for European 100 plus, or double for 102 ron but that is a different thing from the Winter or Summer spec we used.)

 

Regardless of if the refining takes place all in Greece the formulation will change to suit seasons. 

As it does in regions of North or South America or Canada or Australia, New Zealand, Scandinavia, Asia,& the Far East

The UK Including Scotland has refineries and imports gasoline as well, and the spec is to suite winters and summers and sometimes the Uk gets winter fuel imported into the UK later than it is sold in other countries and world regions because it is not important as April & May are not generally so high temperatures. 

https://www.spglobal.com/platts/en/market-insights/latest-news/oil/032812-uk-still-buying-winter-gasoline-as-european-refiners-switch-to-summer

 

Edited 18 December, 20214 yr by roottoot

17 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

These can be found in a Greek gas station.

 

This is in my city hahaha. 

Before the infamous Agyia's Swamp turn. 

https://youtu.be/0AQWOPY_G9A

 

Ok guys, video pt3 ,  last one. Hopefully.. 

2 hours ago, HappySkoda said:

 

 

Ok guys, video pt3 ,  last one. Hopefully.. 

 

The metal sound that you hear is from your clutch, not from inside the engine.

If you open the hood and look down you will see the clutch metal wire, put some grease on the wire and move a little bit front-back the piece of metal piece (which has the hole from where the wire passes) the go inside and sit, press the clutch pedal few times (the engine is off).

 

https://imgur.com/8CDqtVS

 

The noise comes because when you release the pedal at last time (before you turn off the car) the wire is not turned 100% full back, so pressing one time the pedal you "collect the surplus" (μαζευεις το μποσικο) and it's OK.

 

 

 

13 hours ago, roottoot said:

 

Well we did buy our Super Unleaded in certain months to keep for Sprinting and racing, but then that is because we knew what we were buying.

What people do not know is their issue and when you are looking to be competitive then why help them. 

Just because they are not aware of stuff does not mean it is not true.

 

OK, next time i see my nearest gas station to be refueled by a tank i will grab the owner from the collar and ask him to tell the truth, if he says that he is refuelling Spring and not Winter then ''he is done", he will pay the consequences.

I will put the blame on him because for mine and @HappySkoda problem with high idling at cold start it's his gasoline fault !

Anyone can ask Filling Station Staff or Managers or Owners in the UK and they are unlikely to know anything other than the price of KitKats.

1 hour ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

 

@HappySkoda problem with high idling at cold start it's his gasoline fault ! 

Low, low unreasonable idling amd extremely high consumption cause of νοθευμένο μεχρις εσχάτων  fuel. Give him bouquet 🤣🤣 till he regrets the hour he had born. 

19 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

The battery VooDoo guy made a mistake, it's common practise to connect the negative always last (he should spray and remove the detritus).

I agree and put this before when I've posted it but forgot this time but it's a video about VW so more VW/Skoda owners might believe a VW mechanic a lot more than me a non-mechanic, non-expert in anything particularly VW.

 

If I see a better video that gets the point across I will substitute, if you see or know of one let me know.

 

8 hours ago, HappySkoda said:

https://youtu.be/0AQWOPY_G9A

 

Ok guys, video pt3 ,  last one. Hopefully.. 

To me, that was not as the knocking noise from before (I could be wrong of course)  and it would be well worth checking out what D.FYLAKTOS put about possible slack on the clutch rod or mechanism.

 

Your second cold start without hold the clutch pedal down was just that, a second start after the initial cold start where you did hold the clutch pedal down so the settings were already in  But without touching the pedals at all the gearbox did not exploded, the clutch did not fall apart the engine remained intact.

 

So why not just for a number of days until the problem returns try an initial cold start without touching any pedals if the problem returns or even if the problem does not return you can always go with whichever method you believe in and gives you the most restful mind.

 

A  word of advice from actual personal experience - do not get into the habit of lift the clutch pedal, from its underside by using the top of your foot, allow it to return by itself otherwise on some cars you can pop out a connecting rod.

 

5 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

OK, next time i see my nearest gas station to be refueled by a tank i will grab the owner from the collar and ask him to tell the truth,

You would be better off politely asking the fuel tanker driver.

 

My "high idle for long time" looks similar to yours but mine maybe it's from the Ecu-chip.

Make a visit to a  local repair-shop, there is no need to be a Skoda-VW one, for free he will make you a scanning via your OBD 1 port and maybe it's an error that cause you the problem.

 

7 hours ago, HappySkoda said:

 Give him bouquet 🤣🤣 till he regrets the hour he had born. 

 

He wave for many decades an expression here in Greece which fits perfectly on this occasion: ''i am going to change his Oils"

15 hours ago, nta16 said:

You would be better off politely asking the fuel tanker driver.

 

 

The driver? For many decades was the main responsible for fuel fraud because was the ''link'' from storage facility to the gas station and somewhere in the middle a quantity of fuel was changing hands and was replacing by other lower quality.

It's a fact that some fuel tank drivers are honest and the illegality was from the gas station owner but till the coming of GPS and tracking the route from A to Z the guilty was the fuel tank driver.

Fuel has markers added so that it's source can be traced.