How much time do you warm-up your Felicia?

[nta16]

D.FYLAKTOS, sorry I forgot to put in my last post the other side of the lubrication with the Amsoil, the sales brochure has "add 1 fl. oz. of Coolant Boost per quart of system of capacity" and "In applications using Coolant Boost with antifreeze/water mixtures, add Coolant Boost once per year or every 30,000 miles (48,280 km), whichever comes first.  Follow coolant manufacturer recommendations for  coolant change intervals."

 

Not Note, tests were done with -

"50/50 mix"

"test coolant mixture"

"aerated coolant mixtures"

"corrosive water designed to simulate hard and corrosive water in degraded coolant".

 

I do not know, you would have to look up the specifics of the tests yourself but I wonder if the mix was 50/50 for those tests and bear in mind, top race engines at least that are running on water and the additives, will have their oils and fluids changed every race they are far removed from street cars with usual coolant.

 

See attached.

 

g2785.pdf

Edited 1 January, 2022 by nta16
letter 'e' missed off 'Note'

[D.FYLAKTOS]

19 hours ago, nta16 said:

D.FYLAKTOS, sorry I forgot to put in my last post the other side of the lubrication with the Amsoil, the sales brochure has "add 1 fl. oz. of Coolant Boost per quart of system of capacity" and "In applications using Coolant Boost with antifreeze/water mixtures, add Coolant Boost once per year or every 30,000 miles (48,280 km), whichever comes first.  Follow coolant manufacturer recommendations for  coolant change intervals."

 

Not test were done with -

"50/50 mix"

 

 

 

Test of this product on an every day car with analogue and digital equipment.

 

[D.FYLAKTOS]

On 31/12/2021 at 16:35, J.R. said:

I am still amazed that after unwittingly driving 20K miles over 2 years with plain tap water in my cooling system what came out looked as clean as a whistle with no traces of corrosion residue, I have never ever seen that before in 30 years of running bangers where the cooling systems were constantly leaking or being drained for mechanical work and anti-freeze was an afterthought when the freezing weather came, ie not constantly in the system.

 

I remember back in the 70's and 80's when tractors-bulldozer-wagon drill compressors-excavators worked like this.

I am working my Felicia with only distilled water (and the remains of the old antifreeze) for few days taking measurements (fuel consumption at cold starts from my TC-6 plus time of idling at 1100 rpm).

[nta16]

31 minutes ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Test of this product on an every day car with analogue and digital equipment.

Being American probably with a 50/50 mix but as I put before you seem to have done your research why not have more faith in your research and yourself and go ahead and let us know how you get on and if it improves your kpl and cold starting.

 

[D.FYLAKTOS]

12 minutes ago, nta16 said:

Being American probably with a 50/50 mix

 

you seem to have done your research why not have more faith in your research and yourself and go ahead and let us know how you get on and if it improves your kpl and cold starting.

 

 

I have seen that 50/50 mixture in many US made videos but here the climate is different but keep in mind that i was buying American car tuning magazines 2 years before i bought my car because i knew that you have the money,time and the sponsors to do many tests.

There are numerous differences with Greece (car models, RWD, motor cc, roads, climate, fuel octane, wheel size etc) but for years (far more the internet era and YT videos) i was study and learn many things from your methods.

 

I will let the distilled water for few days (no Ice conditions here) because i want to measure the time of the second cold start of the day which worries me more plus the fuel consumption.

[nta16]

I understand what you mean - but just in case there should be any confusion I am not American and here in Britain there are companies that know about blending oils and chemical products but it is just like with many countries in the world we have allowed the very invasive big American corporations in and with their money and power they very successfully market their products and under many different brand names.

 

Amsoil is not a traditional American corporation and does not market itself in the same way as most of them do.

 

[KenONeill]

1 hour ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

i knew that you have the money,time and the sponsors to do many tests.

Key word in bold. You've accused various groups of criminal activities, why is the leap of logic from "all mechanics are crooks" to "sponsors want results favourable to their product" apparently beyond you?

[D.FYLAKTOS]

6 minutes ago, KenONeill said:

You've accused various groups of criminal activities, why is the leap of logic from "all mechanics are crooks" to "sponsors want results favourable to their product" apparently beyond you?

 

Shake your head, who wrote about ''criminal activities, crooks" etc?

Remember the Antifreeze GR test at 2005 few posts back? Was very hard to find a guy with a proper equipment to to this, in a contrary in USA for example have many companies, lot of laboratories and sponsors to support an organization or a study etc.

 

List of NASCAR sponsors

https://stockcarracing.fandom.com/wiki/Category:NASCAR_sponsors

 

We do not have these here, is that so hard to understand it?

[D.FYLAKTOS]

Update:

 

 

 

Here is the quantity of the coolant that i have removed the last days, i added distilled water now the car is running with the remains of the old Antifreeze mix (plus MoCool) inside.

After few kilometres i will remove at least another 1 litre and i will replace it  with new Antifreeze plus the Amsoil Dominator Coolant Boost that i have bought.

 

 

 

On 10/12/2021 at 20:03, J.R. said:

Looks like a parking area with bays to me

 

Here is a snapshot of where i worked today, you can see how narrow the road is and how difficult and dangerous the whole situation is.

[nta16]

It might be the photo and lighting conditions but to me that mix looks pretty thick compared to the ready mixed you can buy.

 

I would not want to work where you do.

 

[Thefeliciahacker]

4 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

 

Here is a snapshot of where i worked today, you can see how narrow the road is and how difficult and dangerous the whole situation is.

F@ck cant you find an empty parking lot?

3 hours ago, nta16 said:

It might be the photo and lighting conditions but to me that mix looks pretty thick compared to the ready mixed you can buy.

Very true more like 70-30 

[J.R.]

5 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

 

 

 

 

Here is a snapshot of where i worked today, you can see how narrow the road is and how difficult and dangerous the whole situation is.

 

That is precisely what I thought when I scrolled down to the photo before reading your comment.

 

I used to do mobile mechanics and chassis welding at the side of the road, my head would be underneath welding and feet sticking out into the traffic, only protection from or warning to the vehicles was the Portapak welding trolley which was smaller than a carry on luggage bag with wheels and handle.

 

Remembering it now makes me shudder but it was just everyday life back then, life was cheap.

[D.FYLAKTOS]

6 hours ago, nta16 said:

It might be the photo and lighting conditions but to me that mix looks pretty thick compared to the ready mixed you can buy.

 

 

You are right, unfortunately the mix of 2 brands of G11 plus the MoCool made things worst.

 

@Thefeliciahacker : imagine the scene, it's raining and you make circles around the blocs to find an empty space to park to go home to rest.You catch the first available no matter if it's not comfortable praying for the best next morning (no scratches, no hits on the bumper, no broken window glass etc).

Let's hope that the new coolant will bring things ''back to order".

[nta16]

29 minutes ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Let's hope that the new coolant will bring things ''back to order".

Was that fluid in for the two years(? or am I getting mixed up) that you have had the cold start issue and/or lower kpl then?

 

[D.FYLAKTOS]

34 minutes ago, nta16 said:

Was that fluid in for the two years(? or am I getting mixed up) that you have had the cold start issue and/or lower kpl then?

 

 

Yes that was (mainly) the coolant that i have those 2 terrible years, i also had some other issues (wrong valves gap, reference spark-plug that didn't work, old ECU-chip etc)

I hope that the new coolant will make things better otherwise i will go crazy!

[nta16]

13 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Yes that was (mainly) the coolant that i have those 2 terrible years, i also had some other issues (wrong valves gap, reference spark-plug that didn't work, old ECU-chip etc)

I hope that the new coolant will make things better otherwise i will go crazy!

Yes wrong valve gap and spark plug issues will effect the running, throw in ECU chip and lots of potential for lower performance and if the coolant was that thick perhaps that might make a bit of difference to the cold starting.

 

IIRC you have had the chip program replaced, hopefully the correct spark plugs and correct gap for them and valves based on the ECU tuning so you should be good to see what difference the coolant makes, good luck.

 

[D.FYLAKTOS]

Yesterday i removed the thermostat sensor and clean it for possible residues and i checket the O-ring, everything fine.

The pins were OK too.

[D.FYLAKTOS]

On 03/01/2022 at 12:25, nta16 said:

I originally thought you were running 40% or 50% antifreeze then removed it to almost all distilled water to run as a flush but I get it now.

 

Come the summer if you have access to a hose pipe I would do a clean, full flushes and refill of the three parts of the system as I put before, as a thorough cleaning of the cooling/heating system on older cars is one that is one of my hobbyhorses.

 

 

Full flush in a big city is almost impossible, the repair shops will just let the coolant drop to a basin and when the last drop fall they will close the hose and refill.

This means that an amount of old coolant will stay in.

In the country things are different but there is no trip to there soon due to my schedule.

 

 

After so many ''extract coolant-add distilled water-drive" tries today the coolant tester show that almost only water is inside and of course i have no antifreeze protection.

The Amsoil Dominator coolant booster (due to the tomorrow's holiday) will be in my hands at Friday so in the weekend i will and this plus some antifreeze.

Now the car is running much better than previous and the water temperature rises faster than before, the thermostat sensor understands the difference etc and this has an impact to the fuel consumption.

[D.FYLAKTOS]

The Amsoil Dominator arrived.

 

 

On 05/01/2022 at 11:15, D.FYLAKTOS said:

After so many ''extract coolant-add distilled water-drive" tries today the coolant tester show that almost only water is inside

 

Well...not exactly water, finally i manage to fill another 4 litre plastic can with the remains of the old coolant + distilled water that i used as flushing factor.

 

 

The Antifreeze is HEPU G 11 blue colour, i made a 25 minutes ride later a volatilization and let's hope that everything will be fine because i am really tired with the whole matter.

The Amsoil need from 1 till 7 days to work as i have seen on relative videos.

[RicardoM]

I advise everybody to stay away from any "additives" that promise to do wonders. It is just marketing BS. Use only what the manufacturer advised.

[nta16]

On 05/01/2022 at 09:15, D.FYLAKTOS said:

the repair shops will just let the coolant drop to a basin and when the last drop fall they will close the hose and refill.

Yes the same with most garages over here and for engine oil changes, often just cold quick changes, labour rates are too high at many garages others just want or need rapid through-put. Same with repairs which are often more beneficial for the garage to do a fast less effective job and get the same for return visits.

 

Sounds like things are improving, be interest to know at whatever antifreeze percentage (and Coolant Boost) you decided on, how this registers in your recording (subject to any other changes in driving conditions).

  

Edited 7 January, 2022 by nta16

[nta16]

14 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Well...not exactly water, finally i manage to fill another 4 litre plastic can with the remains of the old coolant + distilled water that i used as flushing factor.

If it is the clear plastic container that still looks pretty thick to me.  If so it just goes to show how much residue is left in the system from just a cold(?) drain.

 

What reading did you get off the cheap antifreeze reading tool (sorry I forget the proper name) for the latest drain of coolant?

 

I think it was in the Chris Fix video that he showed how to test accuracy and calibrate for it (within its limitations).

 

[nta16]

4 hours ago, RicardoM said:

I advise everybody to stay away from any "additives" that promise to do wonders. It is just marketing BS.

Totally agree if they promise to do wonders but the good ones do not do that.

 

As you know additives are already added to the base products such as fuel, oils and coolants but some have better additive packages included than others and are made for the general application of the product unless the product is very specialised.

 

I do not know the Amsioil Coolant Boost, never heard of it until this thread so I have no real idea how good it is, Amsoil seem to generally offer good products but again I have never used them as we have good local blenders here.

 

 

4 hours ago, RicardoM said:

Use only what the manufacturer advised.

Well that depends, that is a very mixed bag.  The manufacturer might say to use a certain make or product for commercial or contractual reasons rather than what is best available at any given price level.  What they use from factory will certainly be based on cost, mass car manufacturer has very tight manufacture costings.

 

Then the manufacturers often do not known exacting what they're doing and make mistakes or cut one corner too many, VW are a prime example with which oils to use in say their later gearboxes and change their minds on which coolants to use in later cars 12. then 13 but no not 13 but not 14 but 12evo. 🤣

 

VW are not alone of course, to my use only there is changing recommendations of gear oil with our long lost old friends of British Leyland who can not decide on which manual gear oil to use and some even suggest ATF, and Ford who specific a particular oil for their first 5-speed gearbox as it's just an adaptation of the previous 4-speed then over the years the particular specification becomes so wide it has little meaning.

 

Also time and real world use changes what can be used, the oils of only 20 years ago, let alone 40 and 60 years ago for my old car, have changed and been improved, even the ones that retain or re-establish the same branding as 40 and 60 years are different and improved in their base and additives.

 

Not all additives are the same and not all manufacturer's recommendations are or ever were the best - but I am a big believer in following the manufacturer's recommendations via the Driver's Handbook, allowing for the passing of time and use and abuse of the car, from the start at least until you know what are improvements from this and what are not.

 

All hail, the good book, the Driver's Handbook. 😄

 

Edited 7 January, 2022 by nta16

[RicardoM]

4 minutes ago, nta16 said:

Well that depends, that is a very mixed bag.  The manufacturer might say to use a certain make or product for commercial or contractual reasons rather than what is best available at any given price level.  What they use from factory will certainly be based on cost, mass car manufacturer has very tight manufacture costings.

I was referring to manufacturer of the car. Skoda in our case.

[nta16]

12 minutes ago, RicardoM said:

I was referring to manufacturer of the car. Skoda in our case.

Yes I include Skoda, we had 4 Skodas in the mid-80s to early 90s and I can assure you they made mistakes not with the oils and coolant as things were, like with BL, quite crude back then but the Skoda Dealers then were much smaller and friendlier and not, early at least,  VW.  Unlike BL the Skoda models got things as standard that were still extras on BL and other manufacturers and even things like built in radio aerials to sunroof or rear window that were on next to none other cars (available in the UK at the very least).

 

Skoda's recommendations of oils for my wife's 2015 Mk3 Fabia can certainly be beaten possibly at same or very little extra cost, these parts are mainly VW of course.  Skoda's quality actually initially reduced when VW first took over.