3 hours ago, nta16 said:

If it is the clear plastic container that still looks pretty thick to me.  If so it just goes to show how much residue is left in the system from just a cold(?) drain.

 

What reading did you get off the cheap antifreeze reading tool (sorry I forget the proper name) for the latest drain of coolant?

 

I don't trust the repair-shops in many cases, if you take your car for coolant replace they just quick drain the old and add new with tap water and not distilled, they don't try to completely flush the old because they are in a hurry or don't want to work more.

Every day i was pulling out about 750ml of old coolant and i was replacing it with distilled water, let the car run for a day and again the same procedure and every cold start i was monitoring the TC-6 and show that my car loved that kind of coolant replace.

 

About zero which means was mainly distilled water with remains of few ml from old Antifreeze, this means i had no protection but this lasted few days only.

We have sun here and no ice, after few days i will take another measurement from the Antifreeze tester.

Update:

 

The antifreeze tester shown that my coolant is ''weak', it protects from -10'C only but this can be fixed because in purpose i have left a space inside the expantion tank so i can fill it with ''pure'' Antifreeze and not a 50-50% one.

 

Till now the results are very good, the TC-6 at cold starts shows not only a better fuel consumption those crucial minutes plus the water temperatures rises much faster than before.Things now are much better than previous time.

I will wait few days (meanwhile i will add a little bit of ''pure'' G11) and hope the final results would be as i expected.

 

 

Today i added 200ml more from HEPU G11 pure antifreeze, according to the manufacturer of this product a mixture of

20% antifreeze and 80% distilled water gives protection till -8 'C and 30% antifreeze and 70% gives protection till -15'C (both numbers are very low for the place that i am living now.

 

In few days i will take another measurement with the Antifreeze tester just for typical reasons.

The TC-6 today at cold start shown at 2.8 litres per hour and every 1-2 seconds the number was dropping to 2.6-2.5-2.4 litres etc (keep in mind that with previous coolant was showing 3.6 litres) which make me very satisfied!

Good news. 👍

 

But I am lost, yesterday you put - "The antifreeze tester shown that my coolant is ''weak', it protects from -10'C".

 

Today -  "Today i added 200ml more from HEPU G11 pure antifreeze, according to the manufacturer of this product a mixture of

20% antifreeze and 80% distilled water gives protection till -8 'C".

 

I thought you were happy with -10C and if the tester showed it was already there (and you had tested the calibration of the tester) why did you add the 200ml more of antifreeze, are you after -15C?

 

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1 hour ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

In few days i will take another measurement with the Antifreeze tester just for typical reasons.

The TC-6 today at cold start shown at 2.8 litres per hour and every 1-2 seconds the number was dropping to 2.6-2.5-2.4 litres etc (keep in mind that with previous coolant was showing 3.6 litres) which make me very satisfied!

The devil is in the details

1 hour ago, nta16 said:

I thought you were happy with -10C and if the tester showed it was already there (and you had tested the calibration of the tester) why did you add the 200ml more of antifreeze, are you after -15C?

He did it for corrosion protection

5 hours ago, Thefeliciahacker said:

He did it for corrosion protection

I think the "Enhanced Corrosion Protection" of the Coolant Boost is to give the corrosion protection missing from the weaker coolant mix, in addition to the quicker warm up.

 

Edited 9 January, 20224 yr by nta16
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2 hours ago, nta16 said:

But I am lost, yesterday you put - "The antifreeze tester shown that my coolant is ''weak', it protects from -10'C".

 

Today -  "Today i added 200ml more from HEPU G11 pure antifreeze, according to the manufacturer of this product a mixture of

20% antifreeze and 80% distilled water gives protection till -8 'C".

 

I forgot the word ''Less" before the temperature number.

That was few days back before i added the Amsoil and the new Antifreeze HEPU G11, my coolant was too weak in purpose cause i was trying to remove it as much as i could and turn it to ''waterish".

I run the car for few days with almost distilled water inside.

 

1 hour ago, Thefeliciahacker said:

He did it for corrosion protection

 

Yes, the Ethylene glycol presence is not for antifreeze protection only, it is for corrosion and protects the seal of the pump which prevents from the coolant to get inside the bearing.

I didn't want to take the risk to run my car for 2 years with distilled water only, i have some Ethylene glycol inside as an insurance for my water pump.

39 minutes ago, nta16 said:

I think the "Enhanced Corrosion Protection" of the Coolant Boost is to give the corrasion protection missing from the weaker coolant mix, in addition to the quicker warm up.

 

Take a look the below picture, it is from another member but it was Wrong and i made a rough correction.

 

 

The problem of my Trusty was in the ''red" section where the coolant was restricted by the thermostat, at cold starts the coolant circles inside the ''red'' sector and the thermostat sensor reads and send signals.

My old coolant was too thick, the whole temperature on the ''red" sector was a little bit low and took too much time than it should be to get warmed, the temperature gauge was showing that the needle took long time to get rise so the first kilometres the coolant temperature was less than it must and this cause me a raise on fuel consumption.

Who needs a thick coolant in cities in Greece where the temperatures at winter are not below zero?

 

The TC-6 was a great tool on this occasion, thanks to this i could read the instant fuel consumption and when i started to make my coolant thinner immediately show to me the (better) results.

In Greece the mechanics call the thermostat sensor as ''Cold Start valve" because it's responsible for that task.

7 minutes ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Cold Start valve

and warm

46 minutes ago, Thefeliciahacker said:

and warm

 

Till many year back they call it ''Cold Start valve" and some guys still do, now in the e-shops mention it otherwise often with both names so it's crucial first of all to know the code (357919501 B in our car).

 

In the past i had problem with my dashboard gauge needle, was driving me crazy and after checking my service notes i started step by step to looking for anything unusual, some said that even maybe the factory gauge had a problem but i didn't believe them.

Finally i found it, some dirt was on the sides on the bottom (i paint orange the spot in the below photo) that's why few days back i removed that sensor and cleaned with a piece of wool to be shine plus as an insurance that i won't have the same situation as in the past.

 

 

Yes but you should have the blue collar 

16 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

I forgot the word ''Less" before the temperature number.

Fair enough, I often forget to include the word 'not' and this obviously it reverses what I meant to put, usually I see this on reading again but not always.

 

Cold start valve is a poor term and description it is a control as much as anything as it regulates the temperature.

 

Great that you are getting it sorted and yes the TC-6 has proved very useful in this case, but I think you have it worked out anyway but it is good to have the reassurance of proof for yourself, well done.

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51 minutes ago, Thefeliciahacker said:

Yes but you should have the blue collar 

 

I have the blue, the photo plus the orange simulating of dirt was an example.

I had problem in the past with one with yellow collar and the stupid mechanic that install it was trying to persuade me that is the proper one but i insisted, NO.

So i bought a new with blue ring and expensive and now i am reassured.

 

48 minutes ago, nta16 said:

Great that you are getting it sorted and yes the TC-6 has proved very useful in this case, but I think you have it worked out anyway but it is good to have the reassurance of proof for yourself, well done.

 

My service notes helped me to understand the problem, i can call it as ''sneaky" because no one could believe that was the main cause of trouble, was hiding so well.

The problem began when i change the water pump (seal leak, almost all the coolant out in the street i was luck that i found quickly a parking space and i stopped the car), something went wrong to the repair shop with the Antifreeze and then the ''downfall" came (thermostat problem, radiator switch change, 2 brand of G11 mixed with MoCool, ECU-chip needed update etc) plus the wrong valve gap and the spark plug reference.

The Lambda sensor change was not necessary but i think the MAP change was.

I spend hours, day or night trying to understand every time what was wrong and the scanning tools never helped me, deep inside me i believed that my notes and methodical work plus discipline will pay off.

This was the main reason that i bought the TC-6, it was very expensive but with this i was able to have data to rely on and not just speculations, step after step i was making progress and with your help here i can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

 

5 hours ago, nta16 said:

I think the "Enhanced Corrosion Protection" of the Coolant Boost is to give the corrosion protection missing from the weaker coolant mix, in addition to the quicker warm up.

Thefeliciahacker, you were confused by this, this is what I meant. -

 

Amsoil DOMINATOR ® Coolant Boost - "also contains a robust mixture of corrosion inhibitors" - which will boost the lower levels in a weak coolant mix. - https://www.amsoil.com/p/dominator-coolant-boost-rdcb/

 

 

g2785.pdf azf.pdf

16 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Take a look the below picture, it is from another member but it was Wrong and i made a rough correction.

The illustration was made by me and it was nothing wrong with it. It is for Felicia with carburetor.

Who said that you does not understand my english few weeks ago?

_________________________________

 

@nta16 before the nick name put the symbol @ ,the system will show you the available names, click on that nickname that you want and for whatever you post the other member will get a notification.

By just writing for example just the name Thefeliciahacker nothing happens.

 

Below is an example, i write the symbol @ and when i write the initial n then the available list show up, i clicked on your nick name and when i write the above post get a notification that someone mention you.

 

 

@D.FYLAKTOS thank you.  I had previously been doing that but I misunderstood its use and thought it looked a bit formal and unfriendly.

 

I initially just wanted to post under my name but the site would not let me, I do not know why as I can not see that my first and second name appear to be live here.  I think nick names (or whatever else they are called) can give rise to a a level of anonymity that can promote a more excessive behaviour of posting.

 

I added a 'signature' to my posts with my name in but I realise not everyone will see this depending on their settings or devices.

 

Cheers, Nigel.

4 hours ago, nta16 said:

I added a 'signature' to my posts with my name in but I realise not everyone will see this depending on their settings or devices

Well on that note, don't post names and stuff only nicknames, because even though this forum is pretty closed you never known who is going to be malicious. We know each other for sure and sure I trust you and a few other members with my name but that doesn't mean it should be open for anyone to see. 

You never know who is going to end up here and with what intentions not even mentioning a potential data breach. 

5 hours ago, RicardoM said:

The illustration was made by me and it was nothing wrong with it. It is for Felicia with carburetor.

 

4 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Who said that you does not understand my english few weeks ago?

Guys please, don't get pumped again. 

You both are highly respected members, with polar opposite opinions, so let's keep it calm. 

@Thefeliciahacker

I have just made a valid observation about an illustration drawn by me. Not only that I didn't get the specific credit for it, but it was claimed it is wrong.

This forum section is no more a priority for me because the quality of the information put in it has considerably degraded in the last 6 months.

Also the quality of the members degraded significantly. Enjoy.

Edited 10 January, 20224 yr by RicardoM

2 hours ago, Thefeliciahacker said:

Well on that note, don't post names and stuff only nicknames, because even though this forum is pretty closed you never known who is going to be malicious. We know each other for sure and sure I trust you and a few other members with my name but that doesn't mean it should be open for anyone to see. 

You never know who is going to end up here and with what intentions not even mentioning a potential data breach. 

No worries, I can not post a name that is not already on display as I have such a bad memory, I struggle to remember the names of people I see in person every week (and I am not joking).

 

I do not worry about anyone knowing my name, there is no difference in being nice or nasty to a real name or nick name as behind it is a real person anyway (unless it is a bot).

 

I am not sure you can have a data breach on anything you openly post on a public site like this, anything you put can potentially be copied and held on top of what is recorded here.  You can regret what you have put but rarely remove it.  it can be taken out of context and misquoted so if you are ever unsure just don't write it.  😄

 

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6 hours ago, nta16 said:

misunderstood its use and thought it looked a bit formal and unfriendly.

 

It's the easiest way to drawn someones attention (except the quote of course) in a thread that he didn't knew, for example someone asking for MoCool and i haven't notice it, you post something and you tag me with the @ and my nickname beside and i will get a notice to post and help the other member.

 

As for the Amsoil product, it can work with distilled water only but i didn't want to take the risk plus i feel that i have some kind of assurrance with the presence of ethylene glycol for my water pump gasket. 

 

@Thefeliciahacker the internet is just a modern version of another ancient Greek invention, the ''Agora'' and as you can see here the latest months things are quiet, some members star to participate more some new show up etc, i think we are far better than before and i hope it will continue this way.

2 hours ago, RicardoM said:

Also the quality of the members degraded significantly. Enjoy.

Thats sad to hear...

 

2 hours ago, RicardoM said:

This forum section is no more a priority for me because the quality of the information put in it has considerably degraded in the last 6 months.

Thats  the saddest given your work and prior dedication to this forum, you my friend were (and in my opinion ARE) one of the most valuable contributors, we all learned from you, as well as from other members, and what can we do to keep the quality high?

Could the decline be attributed to the diminishing numbers of those cars?

1 hour ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

the internet is just a modern version of another ancient Greek invention, the ''Agora'' and as you can see here the latest months things are quiet, some members star to participate more some new show up etc, i think we are far better than before and i hope it will continue this way.

As I said above, polar opposites in opinions but, I am not HERE TO JUDGE, I just want this forum to be lively and healthy and I apologize if i stirred up controversy, but I was saddened, when we could not put our differences aside even after a couple of months. 

Edited 10 January, 20224 yr by Thefeliciahacker

38 minutes ago, Thefeliciahacker said:

apologize if i stirred up controversy

 

As i said things were quiet, don't throw a stone in a calm lake cause you know what's gonna happen. 

________________________

 

Back to the point, the temperature of my coolant rises a little bit faster than before and i call feel that on the road especially in first kilometers (keep in mind that i follow a steady route from house to work and vice versa).

For sure the new thinner coolant is responsible for this but did Amsoil product played a small role too? I wish i had more time and proper equipment to measure the whole situation better but in this case the fuel consumption is the ultimate Judge.

In few weeks i will make a refueling, a TC-6 correction (i discovered a mistake of mine in the reset) and after few days le's hope that the firecrackers will light up.

 

Update:

 

I had 46 kilometres with the old Ecu-chip and the old coolant (with non proper antifreeze mixture), i have made some changes and i run another 60 kilometres.

Meantime i was looking everyday the TC-6 and i was happy seeing some progress, yesterday i made a refuelling although the sneaky employee tried to put more after the click of the pump.

My Felicia had an average fuel consumption at city traffic of 9,5 lt/ 100 Km which is not only good news but leaving me optimistic for better results because now everything is as should be (i have the proper coolant, Ecu-chip updates, Amsoil additive, TC-6 better adjustment plus a recently Ecu reset) so i am in agony for the next refuelling.

A two years suffering period goes to end.