Scotland is supposed to be paying more for the trees so that RoUK gets less pollution. 

Costs really  need to be highest where the population is really and not where there is 1/3 of the land mass yet less than 10% of the population.

 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj7vz8vjgrno

 

The taxing of the Oil & Gas companies n the Northsea should have the money there for the costs towards Net Zero.

As should the income from the electricity exported from the from Scotland to RofUK and the more that could be exported but that the Westminster Government keep putting delays on this happening.

Edited 29 March, 20242 yr by Rooted

 

 

 

Edited 30 March, 20242 yr by Rooted

13 hours ago, Rooted said:

Scotland is supposed to be paying more for the trees so that RoUK gets less pollution. 

Costs really  need to be highest where the population is really and not where there is 1/3 of the land mass yet less than 10% of the population.

 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj7vz8vjgrno

 

The taxing of the Oil & Gas companies n the Northsea should have the money there for the costs towards Net Zero.

As should the income from the electricity exported from the from Scotland to RofUK and the more that could be exported but that the Westminster Government keep putting delays on this happening.

 

"Investing" in Scottish land, forests has been one of the key tax dodges for UK earners to the tune of many millions as you get your money out a couple of years later avoiding as much as 47% tax on it.  Very popular tax avoidance scheme which is legal.

 

I would think there is no shortage of money to invest in such schemes.  Locals paying higher taxes is common though like water rates in the SW of England to basically provide enough water for Emmets and Grockels ie visitors, not fair but part of the price of living in the best parts of the UK.

 

Edited 30 March, 20242 yr by lol-lol

7 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

"Investing" in Scottish land, forests has been one of the key tax dodges for UK earners to the tune of many millions as you get your money out a couple of years later avoiding as much as 47% tax on it.  Very popular tax avoidance scheme which is legal.

 

I would think there is no shortage of money to invest in such schemes.  Locals paying higher taxes is common though like water rates in the SW of England to basically provide enough water for Emmets and Grockels ie visitors, not fair but part of the price of living in the best parts of the UK.

 

 

You just reminded me of this

 

 

On 29/03/2024 at 04:02, lol-lol said:

Prices for electricity due to fall on Monday April 1st, no joke.

Price per kWh going down, but standing charge price going up.

13 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

You just reminded me of this

 

 

 

I miss Devon and Cornwall so much but the wages were just not there.  As a Customs Officer mostly based in Plymouth but sometimes doing relief duties at Penzance etc it was an ace job.   At least now there is lots more EV charging down in D&C as it was a desert for charging.

 

I like really beaches like Bigbury.....

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, PetrolDave said:

Price per kWh going down, but standing charge price going up.

 

You do not have to be much of a user to be better off overall ie think it is about 3 kwh a day of standard or daytime rate on dual rate tariffs like mine and one is better off under the new rates.  I use about 6 Kwh during a normal day but more than 20 kWh when charging the EV on the 9 p per kWh tariff which is staying the same from Monday but it is gas that will be the big saver where I can see I have been averaging 55 kWh in March so just under £5 a day but that is going to drop by almost a quarter so my April bill should drop from a typical £130 to more like £100 which is very nice.  Hardly encourages the switch to cleaner fuels ie renewable but I will keep working on getting a heat pump set up and especially now they have drop the silly need for 11 inches of loft insulation.  Hope to get one before next winter.

 

May need a second EV charger I think and this time go for a full 7.4 kWh one rather than the miserly 3.7 kWh one I currently have which suits the little Zoe.

With electricity at around 24p per kWh I can use the pre-conditioning of the EV just before the journey rather than have it start cold before the journey.

 

It is forgotten that inflation has been between 11% and 4% quite recently and therefore some prices rises must be expected to meet wage rises of workers.  Benefits and pensions are going up quite a bit in April of course.  

 

How about one of these for a true city car? I agree with Jack, I used to have one of the cars predecessors, an Isetta, almost identical in looks and concept but with a small ICE power plant.

 

 

Wonderful but the price is an issue.

 

Fleets of UP!MiiCitigo electrics as EV,s available at UK Park & Rides / Low Carbon Transport Hubs for taking into City Limits would be enough vehicle for couples or even 2 couples. 

Just do not buy anything as no space for it, but Roof Top Boxes might do that job. 

Edited 30 March, 20242 yr by Rooted

How about this method of generating electric power, to get the part of interest, fast forward to 18:00.

 

 

 

And the charging game changes.....

 

30 chargers now at Frankley Southbound, let have same at Noth bound please.  Half are TESLA version 4 chargers that can be used my non TESLA, price was 59 p per kWh too...

(I still like the 22 kW AC should say Zoes only perhaps). 

 

 

@lol-lol  ambient temp into the teens this afternoon and the MINI is doing over 6 miles a kWh in town heading downhill and by the time climbed back home showing 5.1.

That is quite a difference from down near zero Celsius and 2.4 - 3 miles a kWh.

Different from when i got it on the 17" wheels and 205 tyres where it was only around 4 miles a kWh indicated.

 

I have my new home tariff i took of 22.03 pence a kWh starting tomorrow and fixed for 15 months.

 

Now with Motability the choice of EV,s with £0.00 - £500 advance payment is very good.

Smart #1, Enyaq, BYD Dolphin, Atto, ID3, C4, C4X, Honda E, GWM Ora 3, Peugeot 3008, Jeep Avenger, MG4,   Vauxhall Mokka, 208  Cupra Born, Leaf, Zoe , Fiat 500 & 600. 

1 hour ago, Rooted said:

@lol-lol  ambient temp into the teens this afternoon and the MINI is doing over 6 miles a kWh in town heading downhill and by the time climbed back home showing 5.1.

That is quite a difference from down near zero Celsius and 2.4 - 3 miles a kWh.

Different from when i got it on the 17" wheels and 205 tyres where it was only around 4 miles a kWh indicated.

 

I have my new home tariff i took of 22.03 pence a kWh starting tomorrow and fixed for 15 months.

 

Now with Motability the choice of EV,s with £0.00 - £500 advance payment is very good.

Smart #1, Enyaq, BYD Dolphin, Atto, ID3, C4, C4X, Honda E, GWM Ora 3, Peugeot 3008, Jeep Avenger, MG4,   Vauxhall Mokka, 208  Cupra Born, Leaf, Zoe , Fiat 500 & 600. 

 

Does your mini have a heat pump ?

 

My niece is looking for an EV, 2 or 3 years old, to do 40 mile round trips to college, no home charger, she quite fancies a mini I think but not sure it is best for her. Gets quite cold in Cambridgeshire. Trying not to let my Renault bias surface too much.  Would avoid an early LEAF bit not sure what else would be good.  Be interesting to see what monthly cost the Dacia Springs will be.

 

@lol-lol  Yes.   But forget the Heat Pump.     Forget plugged in and heating the battery. This is 2 miles down hill and 2 miles back.

I watched this this week.  He has all the scores on the doors. None making much difference.

The AC on reduces efficiency a lot. 

Being in Sport does not.   But in Cruise Control going to green plus, sticking to 70 mph & you can go further, but the car is cold inside if it is cold weather. 

 

Tyres and tyre pressures make quite a difference, and the 16" for comfort and 195 for efficiency.

 

20*oC is roasting for me. 18*oC set is enough for normal people i would think. on my own it is at 16*oC.

I have clothes on....

 

Heated seat at 1 burns my arse in a couple of minutes. I only ever have it to 3 for about 30 seconds when i get in.

15*oC can be a wish and  dream for Ambient temp day time or night time maybe 1/3 of a year or more here.

 

 

A Zoe or a UP!MiiCitigo electric would be a better car possibly for her.

 

 

 

Edited 31 March, 20242 yr by Rooted

4 minutes ago, Rooted said:

@lol-lol  Yes.   But forget the Heat Pump.     Forget plugged in and heating the battery. This is 2 miles down hill and 2 miles back.

I watched this this week.  He has all the scores on the doors. None making much difference.

The AC on reduces efficiency a lot. 

Being in Sport does not.   But in Cruise Control going to green plus, sticking to 70 mph & you can go further, but the car is cold inside if it is cold weather. 

 

Tyres and tyre pressures make quite a difference, and the16" for comfort and 195 for efficiency.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iX1cRR6QNQ

 

 

Oddly my brother lives on a high part of Cambridgeshire, it is not all flat.  Girls oft like the car toastie and i am worried she will get to Cambridge but struggle to get back home unless she leaves with at least half a charged battery and this means she might need to charge most nights.  The roads are mostly country lanes with a bit of dual carriageway.

 

My brother is on the Octopus Cosy tariff as his house Heat Pump heated.

 

Can one pe-condition the cabin from and App on cold mornings ?

 

@lol-lol  The MINI steering is very heavy in town in Sport and you need to go to MID for lighter steering and enough acceleration.

The accelerator is very stiff in Sport, which is needed to actually stop it been far too wheel spinny in town.

 

Green and Green + has it feel like a slug.  OK put into when using Cruise Control. 

 

A Petrol MINI is better as a everyday easy to drive car IMO.   The Electric MINI comes into it,s own when you can get on and nip on. IMHO.

The Corsa Electric was a quicker any time any place EV. 

On 26/03/2024 at 19:39, Graham Butcher said:

Geez, you guys are such harsh critics, do you not understand that this is NOT his own car, nor is it one that he has any access to normally, he is just a driver who gets to pick up a car from a dealer and drive it to the new customer where ever. They often just get told to report to a dealer at X location, and they will have a vehicle that needs to driven to Y location, and they might not even know what the vehicle is until they get to X and handed the keys by the dealer. 

 

When would he have had the opportunity to do any research on the car and its settings, or plan his route to take in the best chargers, etc. He was using an app which showed him where the chargers were supposed to be, some were, some weren't. Where there was plenty, as he clearly showed, they were all busy, and he had to use whatever was available and also wait in a queue. Likewise, he would not have known anything about what size of battery pack the car had, or even if it had an onboard charger etc.

 

He could have been picking up any type of vehicle, even a Hydrogen powered one and he just has to get on with the job of driving from X to Y and take off the trade plates, tuck them under his arm and find a way back home again, thats it.

 

You guys have had your respective electric cars for a while, and you also researched them before getting them, you were/are in a privileged position compared to these people who are not given the time to swot up on their vehicles. 😠

One month into ownership I did a 300 mile each way trip so a total of 600 miles.  Started full, 1 stop for 20 minutes to get to 80+%, use a loo, grab a coffee and a panini each way. Was lucky enough to find a destination charger and add 20% there, but it wasn’t needed.

 

 

I used to do that same trip regularly in a diesel and actually the EV might have been a little quicker as I planned a stop rather than when I fancied.

 

it’s much of a muchness IMHO

22 minutes ago, cheezemonkhai said:

One month into ownership I did a 300 mile each way trip so a total of 600 miles.  Started full, 1 stop for 20 minutes to get to 80+%, use a loo, grab a coffee and a panini each way. Was lucky enough to find a destination charger and add 20% there, but it wasn’t needed.

 

 

I used to do that same trip regularly in a diesel and actually the EV might have been a little quicker as I planned a stop rather than when I fancied.

 

it’s much of a muchness IMHO

Well to a large extent I suppose it makes a lot of difference depending on which EV car you have for the trip and if you actually needed to have a stop or not. In my car, depending on what the trip is, I can on the right kind of trip do well over 600 miles to a tank. What car did you go for in the end?

 

One thing I can't get my head around is how do you reckon the EV might have been quicker because you planned a stop? If the stop was to get a charge, that was for 20 minutes, it doesn't take that long for refill of diesel.  Also the destination charger helped to extend the range, although you said you didn't need it, it was insurance in your back pocket incase of any delays on the return trip that might have prevented you reaching the planned stop for a charge?

Edited 3 April, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

It appears that Essex is about to get what the council call a major uplift in the charging points for electric cars, including 2 within 1/2 mile from me. 😏

Locations of charging points planned across Essex

Basildon

• 48 Stokefelde, Pitsea. Four EV points

Braintree

• 43 West Street, Coggeshall. Two EV points
• 136 Rickstones Road, Witham. Two EV points

Brentwood

• 53 Warley Hill. Two EV points

Castle Point

• 193-195 Link Road, Canvey Island. Three EV points
• 3 Park Avenue. Four EV points

Chelmsford

• 4 St John’s Green, Chelmsford Two EV points
• St John’s Church, Moulsham Street. Two Ev points
• 47 Melbourne Avenue, Chelmsford. Two EV points
• 91 Grace Bartlett Gardens, Chelmsford. Two EV points
• Galleywood Library car park. Two EV points

Colchester

• 4 Wimpole Road. Four EV points
• 11 East Hill. Two EV points
• 16 Colne Bank, Colchester. Two EV points
• Opposite 2 Recreation Rd, Colchester. Three EV points
• 51 Wimpole Road. Two EV points

Epping

• 45 Turpins Lane, Woodford Green. Two EV points
• 3A Forest Road, Loughton. Three EV points
• 186 High Road, Loughton. Four EV points
• 36 Westbury Lane, Buckhurst Hill. Two EV points
• 170 Queens Road, Buckhurst Hill. Two EV points
• 55 Station Way, Buckhurst Hill Two EV points

Harlow

• 115 East Park. Two EV points
• 9 Old House Croft. Two EV points

Maldon

• 1 Victoria Road. Two EV points
• 4 The Hythe. Two EV points
• 84 Fambridge Road. Two EV points
• 24 London Road. Two EV points

Harwich

• Trinity House Depot The Quay. Four EV points

Tendring

• 3 Orwell Road, Clacton. Four EV points
• 90 Warwick Road, Clacton. Two EV points

Uttlesford

• Opposite carriageway to 18 Hunters Way, Saffron Walden. Two EV points

 

Best to stop relying on the council's token gestures. 😅

 

Braintree have an "electric forecourt" https://gridserve.com/electric-vehicle-charging/electric-forecourt/braintree/

Luton, Cambridge, Ipswich, Newmarket and Thetford all now have Tesla open-to-all https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=52.89387333088001%2C1.839886066015457%2C51.13615500484255%2C-1.670245769922043&zoom=9&filters=party

 

But as always, best to charge at home and get this grant for on-street parking if at all possible: 

https://find-government-grants.service.gov.uk/grants/electric-vehicle-chargepoint-grant-for-households-with-on-street-parking-1

9 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

But as always, best to charge at home and get this grant for on-street parking if at all possible: 

https://find-government-grants.service.gov.uk/grants/electric-vehicle-chargepoint-grant-for-households-with-on-street-parking-1

£350 off the cost of installing both a chargepoint AND a cross-pavement charging solution will still result in a fairly large bill (£2000 - £350 = £1650).

 

These grants don't seem to come close to the actual costs - same as the grants for installing heat pumps don't come close to the cost or replacing a gas boiler (and upgrading some radiators and fitting a hot water storage system if you have a combi boiler).

 

The move to greener homes and vehicles is going to be slow unless and until grants come closer to matching the costs.

8 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

These grants don't seem to come close to the actual costs - same as the grants for installing heat pumps don't come close to the cost or replacing a gas boiler (and upgrading some radiators and fitting a hot water storage system if you have a combi boiler).

 

The move to greener homes and vehicles is going to be slow unless and until grants come closer to matching the costs.

There are many people have got the boiler upgrade scheme (BUS) grant and spent less than direct boiler replacement.

 

How much is a gas boiler replacement? £3000 for combi?  £2600 for direct system boiler replacement last year my parents done it, absolutely nothing else changed, straight boiler swap and added a magnetic thing. 

 

https://www.speakev.com/threads/journey-to-electric-only-complete.183843/#replies

£1000 for ASHP 

 

https://www.speakev.com/threads/paid-£500-to-start-the-heat-pump-journey.183984/post-3587553

£390, later on someone else said £800 quoted, the OP's quote is £2900 in page 2. 

 

https://www.speakev.com/threads/new-vaillant-heat-pump-install-ne-england.183484/post-3574971

Cost parity with oil heater replacement 

 

I agree direct combi boiler replacement isn't realistically feasible at the moment. This is my biggest issue as I no longer have the space for a hot water tank. 

(also wife wouldn't let go of the gas hob) 

 

Regarding the cross-pavement cost. £650 is will be paid back from overnight charging savings in ~6500 miles. (3p/mile vs 13p/mile public charging or petrol/diesel) 

18 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

I agree direct combi boiler replacement isn't realistically feasible at the moment.

At least we agree on something.

 

The point I'm making is that for many people upfront costs are the problem to switch from ICE to BEV, and grants need to ofer more help if Net Zero targets are to be met.

37 pence a kWh, a minimum £5 for charging and a time penalty on the Rapids has stopped locals taking their EV and plugging in and some even  abandoning the car for hours / while they have a round of golf it seems in part of South Ayrshire.  

Edited 4 April, 20242 yr by Rooted

13 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

At least we agree on something.

 

The point I'm making is that for many people upfront costs are the problem to switch from ICE to BEV, and grants need to ofer more help if Net Zero targets are to be met.

now if only there was a nation wide network of charging stations a bit like , oh I don't know, lets say petrol stations. You know,  somewhere you could refuel your EV in the same way you do an ICE vehicle then there needn't be any upfront costs.

Even better , wouldn't it be nice if your EV could be fully refuelled in a few minutes so that not so many charging points needed.

How many ICE owners have fuel tanks installed at their property so they can buy fuel in bulk and refuel cheaper than at the local Esso or Shell etc? as that's what you're effectively doing with EV home charging, isn't it?

You want to pay less per unit but there is an associated up front cost. Is this really wrong/bad?