1 hour ago, Rooted said:

@Graham Butcher Are you really surprised.

The UK or non EU country is a special place for special people with many manufacturers producing / manufacturing goods for the UK or other global regions.

 

I expect if that becomes a requirement for the UK, makers will be building in all the extra requirements to suit the UK market and others will just have to pay the extra price for the bits fitted that is not required in their countries. Either that or we will have to build our own chargers at great expense.

Edited 24 March, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

1 hour ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

 

There will be EU regulations that we are following

ISTR this thing called "Wrecks It".  

@Graham Butcher  Are you kidding about,  'We',  if you mean British manufacturers for British products.

 

Anyone anyplace will produce what Britain needs for customers in Britain and import and maybe undercut what might be manufactured here.

 

Millions of the things if millions are needed, into every new home that has a place to charge a car.  

Because, EV,s are not going away anytime soon, or are the sales of them actually ending no matter what some would like to happen. 

 

How about the UK Government actually does job creation and gets industry producing products for the home market.

All these unemployed  and unemployable that could do a nice simple assembling job. 

@RootedI wasn't implying that EV's are going away, just the scale of the manufacturing required just for the UK product (if the data connection is simply because of the grid problem) is going to be a shrinking market compared to the rest of the World. By shrinking I mean that once people have them installed, the main sales will then be replacements for broken units as they will be usable for any new cars that people might buy.

Is this the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end ?

 

 

2 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

I thought that France is also locked into the 2035 deadline for all new car sales to be BEV, so doesn't that mean that like, us, you'll have no option either. I find rather hard to accept that makers of chargers are going to have to produce variants specifically for the UK? 

 

What does that have to do with the price of fish? The discussion was about charge points (they are not chargers) communicating with the national grid.

 

You may find it hard to accept but look elsewhere in Europe or the wide world or look simply at the couple of charge points that I linked to and you will see that the only higher current wall mounted charge points permitted in the UK are indeed produced specially to include the comms with the national grid, I bet there is only a handful of manufacturers bothering.

There is going to be a shrinking market among ICE vehicles as there is a requirement for a higher percentage of zero emission vehicles to be first registered annually.

 

If really there was to be nobody interested in manufacturing UK only spec EV chargers then so be it.  

But i would not bet my pension on it.  

Maybe car manufacturers can supply them new in packaging with the car for those that want them.   I am pretty sure they can procure what is required.

42 minutes ago, J.R. said:

 

What does that have to do with the price of fish? The discussion was about charge points (they are not chargers) communicating with the national grid.

 

You may find it hard to accept but look elsewhere in Europe or the wide world or look simply at the couple of charge points that I linked to and you will see that the only higher current wall mounted charge points permitted in the UK are indeed produced specially to include the comms with the national grid, I bet there is only a handful of manufacturers bothering.

Maybe my bad referring to the grid, but I did so because of your previous comment about the grid not being able to cope with peak demands, in your reply to wyx087, to enable supplies to be throttled back until such time as we can handle the demand, which is something we are going to have to do as more and more EV's hit the road, we need to beef up our supply capability.

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

Is this the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end ?

 

 

 

Asda had 165 ev chargers at the beginning of 2023 they now have only 46

50 minutes ago, Rooted said:

There is going to be a shrinking market among ICE vehicles as there is a requirement for a higher percentage of zero emission vehicles to be first registered annually.

 

If really there was to be nobody interested in manufacturing UK only spec EV chargers then so be it.  

But i would not bet my pension on it.  

Maybe car manufacturers can supply them new in packaging with the car for those that want them.   I am pretty sure they can procure what is required.

Agreed, there will be a shrinking market for ICE, zero argument there 😉. The point I was making about home chargers is that if the data connections is just going to be a UK thing and with the UK being a small market it will hard to justify a dedicated production line for the existing large makers who would rather make 1 product for all markets.

Lots of chargers at Asda were only 3.6 kW and have been broken for years and the BP Polar as it was was hopeless, and the tariff was crazy.

 

Ones i looked at before i got an EV if they were working were often occupied all day by PHEV,s.   (Staff.)

 

Issa brothers / Asda, EQ and BP Pulse, MGF, Shell Recharge and whoever will provide what there is the demand for.

BP Pulse needs to buck up their ideas though. Their Customer Services, Their maintenance, the whole damn organisation. 

 

@Graham Butcher  No idea where you think the UK is a small market, and where a volume manufacturer can not have 'a small number' of different spec chargers.

 

As charger manufacturers already do. 

For different markets, RFID / Card / App applications. 

Edited 24 March, 20242 yr by Rooted

"The point I was making about home chargers is that if the data connections is just going to be a UK thing and with the UK being a small market it will hard to justify a dedicated production line for the existing large makers who would rather make 1 product for all markets."

 

Going to be?

 

It already is and will be the reason they are so expensive and so few models available and why many if not most fitted with government subsidies.

 

Just look how many are available on Amazon.fr, https://www.amazon.fr/s?k=borne+recharge+7.4+kw&__mk_fr_FR=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=2CTEHI9HNHPP4&sprefix=borne+recharge+7.4+kw%2Caps%2C162&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

 

 

Edited 24 March, 20242 yr by J.R.

The EU appears committed to a smart grid too.

 

 

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A32019L0944

 

 

To deliver on these fronts, smart meters must be equipped with the right functionalities, under the Electricity Directive EU/2019/944. Moreover, national authorities must closely monitor that they get the most out of the sizeable investment of smart meter deployment and that the smart metering systems they install serve the system as a whole and deliver benefits and satisfaction to consumers and businesses alike.

SMART Meters need sorted out in the UK.

 

Eon Next had some Partner call me yesterday again about my New Smart meter.  The one never fitted yet thankfully.

 

Eon Next credited me another £75 on Friday.  Warm Home Discount Scheme.  

I already had £150.

 

They must have had money left over when the Scheme closed.  Last year an extra £100 appeared at this time.  No explanation. 

 

Edited 24 March, 20242 yr by Rooted

Fundamentally, lay the lot use only what you need. You’re doing it to future proof.

 

Just laying 10mm Doncaster Inc cat 5 covers most of what you might want and adding and Ethernet everything.

 

You may only is L1 + N + E to a commando socket, but you’re talking about charging a future vehicle. At that time who knows what the regs in France might be.

 

My advice stands lay it once and it’s done.

 

The charger I loosely talk about it the EV charge point and the AC DC inverter to converts to charge the battery is in the car. 
 

If you want absolute bare minimum, the armoured 6/10mm (subject to cable rules and french regs) Twin&Earth to a 32A commando socket with an interlock switch. As you would find at a caravan site for hook up, albeit you would want 32A not 16A.

@lol-lol The video by Dave is not anything new really, of course oil giants are looking after their profits and working on something to replace oil with. The sale and closure of petrol stations was happening long before electric cars were even a thing, just like high streets and their range of shops have been in decline. Likewise, pubs have also been closing down at an alarming rate, many have become restaurants and many have just closed and laying empty, there are loads of them around my area of the country.  The rise of supermarkets and now even hypermarkets are the main factor and as they continue to grow, our choice of product also deaminises as the old specialised shops are forced to close their doors because of reduced footfall in town centres, and these retail giants are only interested in stocking and selling what they can make the most return on.

 

That said however, there can also be no denying that as more electric cars hit the road, the rate of petrol station closures will increase. 

22 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

The EU appears committed to a smart grid too.

 

 

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A32019L0944

 

 

To deliver on these fronts, smart meters must be equipped with the right functionalities, under the Electricity Directive EU/2019/944. Moreover, national authorities must closely monitor that they get the most out of the sizeable investment of smart meter deployment and that the smart metering systems they install serve the system as a whole and deliver benefits and satisfaction to consumers and businesses alike.

This is what I would have expected to be the case, because like it or not everybody is going to be finding some power issues once the majority of cars in daily use are electric, there will be even bigger peaks on demand then we currently have and power stations, cannot be built and put into service overnight. The UK has known about this problem for a long tome, and like us, I suspect many other countries are also falling behind in their preparedness for transition from ICE and also gas for heating over to electric.

Filing stations are well established and the Treasury must love them.

The Fuel being delivered and as it gets delivered has the filling station pay for the fuel and they pay the Duty & VAT and then sell the fuel to customers.

We buy it and have it in our vehicles, sitting maybe un-used.

We all pay towards the Oil & Gas exploration, the getting and processing the fuels and the decommissioning of the Oil Rigs, and infrastructure. 

We pay through the nose for everything.   Even those without vehicles. 

 

With the Electricity the public pay for the National Grid, even pay for the companies to build the Electricity Generation, pay to not generate electricity.

Then we buy electricity if we need it, and even when not using it it costs to be maybe able to have it. 

 

End users. 

There are those that want nothing to do with cars o public transport and still they pay because there is pollution.

But they likely buy goods and services and they need transported. 

 

Talking about supermarkets, we have 2 large Tesco stores and loads of local ones, 2 Morrisons and many local ones, 1 Asda and 1 Sainsburys (large), 3 Aldi and 1 Lidl and looking at their charging points, it is almost none existent. 

 

Morrisons      2 spaces.

Sainsburys     0 spaces

Asda                0 spaces

Aldi                  0 spaces

Lidl                   0 spaces

Tesco               6 spaces

 

Street chargers  None

Public car parks only 4 have chargers, 2 spaces each.

Park and ride 2353 spaces, 6 charging spaces.

 

Hardly encouraging is it.

Re Smart Meters.

 

As we know it is about control from energy companies, cutting energy at time and different pricing at different hours of the day / night

 

Today has been the day that there is a headline on BBC. 

 

'Energy prices could vary at different times of day'

This if OFGEM 'the watchdog'.  The Regulator. 

  The cozy cozy set-up with too much say from some strange people who maybe to not have the customers first and foremost in their importance.

 

'Energy prices could be capped based on the time of day that households use their appliances'. 

The watchdog said it has launched early discussions about a 'dynamic' price cap that changes as consumers become more flexible. 

 

Fine

be sure to charge those that use excessive amounts of energy compared to how many the Council Tax shows resides in a property higher unit prices beyond the average.

 

Time of Day charging is hardly new. Think Economy 7

 

25 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Re Smart Meters.

 

As we know it is about control from energy companies, cutting energy at time and different pricing at different hours of the day / night

 

Today has been the day that there is a headline on BBC. 

 

'Energy prices could vary at different times of day'

This if OFGEM 'the watchdog'.  The Regulator. 

  The cozy cozy set-up with too much say from some strange people who maybe to not have the customers first and foremost in their importance.

 

'Energy prices could be capped based on the time of day that households use their appliances'. 

The watchdog said it has launched early discussions about a 'dynamic' price cap that changes as consumers become more flexible. 

 

Fine

be sure to charge those that use excessive amounts of energy compared to how many the Council Tax shows resides in a property higher unit prices beyond the average.

 

Hmm time for another battery;)

34 minutes ago, cheezemonkhai said:

Hmm time for another battery;)

You know, part of me is wondering what are the chances that big oil and energy are going to get our money one way or another. What are the chances they are all heavily into batteries, solar etc already if the truth was to be known? 

Edited 25 March, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

Strange that we should be discussing data connections to wall chargers yesterday because this video was in my recommended watch list today. It seems that some present security risks and can be hacked and could even cripple the power grid as well, it is claimed. @J.R. The last few words in the video will be music to your ears. 😉

 

 

Edited 25 March, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

24 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Strange that we should be discussing data connections to wall chargers yesterday because this video was in my recommended watch list today. It seems that some present security risks and can be hacked and could even cripple the power grid as well, it is claimed. @J.R. The last few words in the video will be music to your ears. 😉

 

 

oh there's nothing strange about that. Its the google analytics cookies being fed into the youtube algorithms ;o)