47 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

I'd be very interested to learn more about debunking slower speed limit saves lives.

 

Selfishness. Got it 👍

So says the person who knows everything. I did ask you many months, maybe even a couple of years ago what your age group was  and you never answered that in fact I seem to recall you gave me what you thought was a clever answer 😒

 

I'm going to guess that you are either quite young or middle-aged and so you have simply no idea what other people far older can do or indeed would wish to do, but please remember that as you get older, your priorities change as does your physical well-being and capabilities.

2 hours ago, Mickvrs220 said:

Dead right ,right tool for job ,when we go into york we always use park and ride ,same with leeds were only 14 miles away but always take the bus and sometimes train on return jouney ,more relaxed than driving and trying to park in a city ,but sometimes the buses can be hit and miss here ,arriva are always short staffed .

And the real question here, surely, is what do you do when in Castleford, how do you do your shopping, at say Asda or the other retail centres?

 

When Asda first opened up here in my city they used to provide free bus service to and from the store, that has long since stopped happening.

Edited 24 August, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

I suspect there is more to this story than meets the eye.

"In this instance, the back alley is not owned by Bolton at Home so we would not be able to permit the use of vehicle charging in this location."

Errm  if it isn't owned by them they can neither permit nor deny surely?

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/24528708.bolton-home-man-denied-hybrid-vehicle-due-not-driveway/

28 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

And the real question here, surely, is what do you do when in Castleford, how do you do your shopping, at say Asda or the other retail centres?

 

When Asda first opened up here in my city they used to provide free bus service to and from the store, that has long since stopped happening.

I go in car because thats the right tool for the job ,and thats why i own a car ,but folk who dont own cars and i know plenty get by in life with no problems ,infact ive got a mate who spends his life on trains ,national express and the megabus 👍 ps i like the train or bus graham just incase i get lost in a pub 😁

 

Edited 24 August, 20241 yr by Mickvrs220

8 minutes ago, Mickvrs220 said:

I go in car because thats the right tool for the job ,and thats why i own a car ,but folk who dont own cars and i know plenty get by in life with no problems ,infact ive got a mate who spends his life on trains ,national express and the megabus 👍 ps i like the train or bus graham just incase i get lost in a pub 😁

 

Haha, I, love the bus too, seeing as they don't cost me a penny and I can go almost anywhere in the country, but it's all the standing around at bus stops in all weathers and the sheer amount of time that it takes along with the time limits placed on my senior bus pass that does my head in. Plus of course at 75 years old I'm not any as nimble or fit as I used to be in my 40s or 50s and even getting up the stairs is a bit of a struggle these days as well.

 

So on a pure financial basis the bus would a no-brainer option if it was just myself that needed to be somewhere (as long as it was within the time limits attached to the free pass) but sadly the body says otherwise. Using the bus pass sort of takes me back to the time when I worked on them as part of the "perks" was that I used to get free travel at any time on the National Bus Network, and I used to do just that, but things do change.

31 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

I suspect there is more to this story than meets the eye.

"In this instance, the back alley is not owned by Bolton at Home so we would not be able to permit the use of vehicle charging in this location."

Errm  if it isn't owned by them they can neither permit nor deny surely?

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/24528708.bolton-home-man-denied-hybrid-vehicle-due-not-driveway/

So who is this Bolton at Home then? If they don't own the back alley, then maybe that is a council owned alley and maybe its them who won't allow people to install chargers? I assume (maybe wrongly) that Bolton at Home is possibly a Housing Association?

Bingo, that is what they are Bolton at Home - Homes and neighbourhoods we can all be proud of | Bolton at Home 

Re that Hybrid charging.  Maybe a 13kWh battery if it does 30 miles.)

If the dude can park there and does park there as the cars are in the picture the cable from a 3 pin plug on an extension could be plugged in and charging.

If that wall / road side is where the Driveway entrance is going to be if it gets planning permission.  Stopping others being able to park there...

3 hours ago, wyx087 said:

I'd be very interested to learn more about debunking slower speed limit saves lives.

 

Selfishness. Got it 👍

 

We were talking about use of alternative transport to the car.. .   Not speed limits???

 

Selfishness...   Possibly yes...   Or simply more suited to the individual concerned - as you said... The right tool for the job.?

22 minutes ago, skomaz said:

 

We were talking about use of alternative transport to the car.. .   Not speed limits???

 

Selfishness...   Possibly yes...   Or simply more suited to the individual concerned - as you said... The right tool for the job.?

Correct the people concerned, one has to accept, that the others have considered the options and decided that the car is often the right tool for the job. As an example, when I was working on the buses, I often had to get to the bus garage before any buses where scheduled to be running, in fact on many occasions I would be the first to arrive and at others, the very last to leave, when I had to drive a bus out into the sticks with the other last person to leave, the refueller on board as his last bus left before he even started his shift. I would then have to turn the bus around, drive back to the garage, open it up, park the bus inside and then lock the garage up with all the buses inside all washed, fuelled and any running repairs completed, ready for the drivers the next day, then drive my car home.

Edited 24 August, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

This video is very informative I thought and helpful.

 

 

2 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

This video is very informative I thought and helpful.

 

 

 

Only if one is interested in old LEAFs.

 

The LEAF was the forerunner mass market EV but the tech us known by many of us to be flawed.

 

The battery pack only had passive heat release to the environment and particularly the 24 and even more so the 30 kwh pack can degrade faster the just about any other EVs battery pack.

 

The Zoe which has also been made in the hundreds of thousands gas less issues due to its active air cooling and now all EVs as dar as I know are liquid cooled it is a non issue.

 

EVs on average will achieve twice as many miles with the original engine in place.

 

Edited 24 August, 20241 yr by lol-lol

I have discovered hundreds if not thousands of Renault Kangoo and Citroen Berlingo EV's languishing in fields in 5 different locations close to where I live, they all seem to trace back to one garage who will be renting the extra space from other businesses and land owners.

 

The majority of them are yellow coloured La Poste vans both the first and second generation EV's but there are also vans and 4 seat passenger vehicles from EDF and lots of other local and national Utilities that were all keen to score brownie points following the herd mentality, from what I have gathered they cost €20k new and those that sold at auction were lucky to raise €3k.

 

I'm going to go and have a chat with the guy trying to sell them, I believe with the Renault you have to rent the battery which is a no for me, I think the majority of them are being stocked up for recycling by the scrapyard in my village, the biggest and most up to date precious metal recycling facility in SW France and that they probably dont have the specialist plant up and running yet or are waiting for approvals.

 

If I can score an interesting project for much cheapness then I will take the plunge, my Yeti which is being abused as a van could finally get cleaned up and the rear seats re-installed.

 

Does anyone know anything about these models? I think they were 22kw initially with 33kw later on and restricted to 110km/h, I would say that most of them are 5 - 7 years old.

58 minutes ago, J.R. said:

I have discovered hundreds if not thousands of Renault Kangoo and Citroen Berlingo EV's languishing in fields in 5 different locations close to where I live, they all seem to trace back to one garage who will be renting the extra space from other businesses and land owners.

 

The majority of them are yellow coloured La Poste vans both the first and second generation EV's but there are also vans and 4 seat passenger vehicles from EDF and lots of other local and national Utilities that were all keen to score brownie points following the herd mentality, from what I have gathered they cost €20k new and those that sold at auction were lucky to raise €3k.

 

I'm going to go and have a chat with the guy trying to sell them, I believe with the Renault you have to rent the battery which is a no for me, I think the majority of them are being stocked up for recycling by the scrapyard in my village, the biggest and most up to date precious metal recycling facility in SW France and that they probably dont have the specialist plant up and running yet or are waiting for approvals.

 

If I can score an interesting project for much cheapness then I will take the plunge, my Yeti which is being abused as a van could finally get cleaned up and the rear seats re-installed.

 

Does anyone know anything about these models? I think they were 22kw initially with 33kw later on and restricted to 110km/h, I would say that most of them are 5 - 7 years old.

So, are La Poste and EDF still using EV vans or are they beginning to go back to ICE?

3 hours ago, skomaz said:

 

We were talking about use of alternative transport to the car.. .   Not speed limits???

Sorry, I wasn't expressing clearly. I was thinking of both banning cars from certain areas as well as decreasing speed limit. When I mentioned safer, I was thinking of the 20mph backlash, where Geoff's video was also shared on here. (hence the mental link from banning cars in an area to 20mph zones in Wales)

10 hours ago, wyx087 said:

My main point is cars should not equal to freedom. This entrenched idea is what's driving the backlash against any sort of restriction and even at making streets safer.

 

 

4 hours ago, skomaz said:

Selfishness...   Possibly yes...   Or simply more suited to the individual concerned - as you said... The right tool for the job.?

Right tool for the job with reasonable consideration to society and environment among others.  These measures are designed to get people out of cars in the first place, making car no longer the right tool for the job...... I personally think it's a positive step towards healthier more sustainable society.

 

 

6 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

I'm going to guess that you are either quite young or middle-aged and so you have simply no idea what other people far older can do or indeed would wish to do, but please remember that as you get older, your priorities change as does your physical well-being and capabilities.

Ok Boomer, you can have the last say on this 😉
Very mature of you.  😘

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

This video is very informative I thought and helpful.

 

Very interesting video, thanks. Also appreciate you set the video to start at most relevant point.

 

One more thing to mention is that EV BMS have a strange tendency to "restore" SoH on repeated rapid charging. I have noticed SoH going up as battery is exercised by rapid charging.

 

Similarly, as mentioned, the mostly AC charged could have been kept near 100% most of the time. I know the option to limit charging to 80% was removed around 2016 when infotainment screen was refreshed from CarWings to Nissan Connect.

 

Finally, this SoH read out is as accurate as BMS's best guess, If the car never exercises its full battery capacity (eg always AC charged small amount), the BMS figure would be lower than actual.

 

Case in point, this is a snippet of my MYLR battery health plot against mileage. The wavy lines show SoH is more of a guess than actual value. The highest points are when I did the 1560 miles road trip to Isle of Skye, exercising the battery from high 90% down to low 10% and doing many ultra rapid charging.

I'm not at all worried about recent rapid decline, as I've been charging small amounts last few months. Battery capacity calibration is slowly going off. Could come back if I exercise the battery and do one charge to 100%.

13 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

So, are La Poste and EDF still using EV vans or are they beginning to go back to ICE?

 

They are 100% electric now on all the vehicles that have the possibility, the trucks that replace the telegraph poles, carry diggers etc are not for example.

 

They are on their 3rd generation of EV's, my only question is the huge losses they make when reselling them but they wont have paid the headline price, Renault may even have given them to them initially, also EDF will save a fortune on the fuel.

 

La Poste used their first EV's for mail deliveries in Paris in 1901! The range was 65kms and the carrying capacity 600kg, pretty much equal to those I am considering buying.

 

They used Renault EV's during WW2 and again in the mid 80's but the big change was in 1999 when they committed to having EV's as 10% of their fleet, its close to 100% now, I dont think I have ever had mail delivered by anything but an EV and I've been here 20 years soon.

Royal Mail are doing similar albeit they are still electrifying their red fleet.  I've been involved in a new a delivery office for them and it needs it's own 1megawatt substation to charge the red delivery vans. 

Well, I'm not 100% positive, buy I think that Amazon may not be all that impressed with their electric vans. I thought that my local delivery depot had EV vans, but the last few times they came to me there were in ICE vans.

AMAZON went the way of investing in a start up company for their vans did they not, and there might be an issue.

Which manufactures vans do they use in the UK?

 

DPD run plenty Electric Vans in Scotland, as do the Post Office, Open Reach, British Gas and , OVO and lots of others. 

 

Edited 25 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

On 24/08/2024 at 14:19, wyx087 said:

Well then, for sake of saving lives and less pollution, being slightly inconvenienced is no big deal.

Now I'm not looking to start an argument here or anything, but like you say, just pointing out the bleeding obvious.

 

I have stated before how I used to suffer from very bad Asthma years ago (when the air was really polluted and we always had every winter really thick fogs), I used to have to carry with me at all times 2 inhalers and I had (still have it somewhere) a peakflow meter to measure my lung capacity, none of which I needed now for over 20 years, that is a sign of just how much we have cleaned the air as the engines keep getting cleaner and every new Euro standard takes that a significant jump forwards.

 

Now if the air was as polluted as we are being told it is then why is that in 1950 the life expectancy of an adult here in the UK was just 68.69 years and today that has jumped up to 81.92 years. Now mine and also my sons personal experience of Asthma seems to back up the theory that pollution has been cut massively and looking at the percentage change year on year, that growth rate, since the introduction of the low emission zones across the UK, has dropped pretty dramatically and even went as low 0.07% in 2014, from 0.29% the year before and is currently only at 0.18%.

 

My late father once said that one day they would find a way of taxing the very air we breathe, and it certainly looks like they have finally found how to do it. 

 

That to my mind that is a pretty good illustration of why it seems we are all globally having the wool pulled over our eyes by politicians who are being lead by lobby groups like the World Economic Forum (WEF) and the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA) and others who are being secretly funded by many wealthy companies with vested interests in the outcome of them getting political agendas changed.

 

U.K. Life Expectancy 1950-2024 | MacroTrends 

Worry about the AVERAGE life expectancy of MEN maybe and if you are a man are you an average kind of a man.

 

Without doing a google but just from my mum being 99 and many of her and my fathers friends or family, the women are widows for maybe 15 years or more from how much sooner their hard working husbands dies before them. 

Edited 25 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

12 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Now if the air was as polluted as we are being told it is then why is that in 1950 the life expectancy of an adult here in the UK was just 68.69 years and today that has jumped up to 81.92 years.

Infant mortality rates decreasing, 10 pensioners living 8 years longer have less affect than one baby not dying before 12 months old.

 

It is pretty much the sole reason for the massive increase in life expectancy, unfortunately many people drink it up and genuinely believe they will comfortably live longer than their parents despite having lived a much worse lifestyle.

 

I used to have asthma as a child when there was lots of smog, I did not have it after but I might just as well blame it on 78rpm records being responsable, a year ago I had my first asthma attack for close to 60 years  yet where I live the air is the cleanest and clearest of my whole life.

 

My Pneumologue explained that asthma is for life, I had simply been in remission all that time.

Edited 25 August, 20241 yr by J.R.

25 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Infant mortality rates decreasing, 10 pensioners living 8 years longer have less affect than one baby not dying before 12 months old.

 

It is pretty much the sole reason for the massive increase in life expectancy, unfortunately many people drink it up and genuinely believe they will comfortably live longer than their parents despite having lived a much worse lifestyle.

 

I used to have asthma as a child when there was lots of smog, I did not have it after but I might just as well blame it on 78rpm records being responsable, a year ago I had my first asthma attack for close to 60 years  yet where I live the air is the cleanest and clearest of my whole life.

 

My Pneumologue explained that asthma is for life, I had simply been in remission all that time.

When you had your attack, were you in a very dusty environment, because that is what I've been told is more likely to trigger an attack these days.

34 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Worry about the AVERAGE life expectancy of MEN maybe and if you are a man are you an average kind of a man.

 

Without doing a google but just from my mum being 99 and many of her and my fathers friends or family, the women are widows for maybe 15 years or more from how much sooner their hard working husbands dies before them. 

My Late father died in his 40s and my Mother went on till she was 92.

That is how averages work.

 

I am not convinced that those born in the 1960,s and 70,s will be very long lived as an average. No matter what scientists say. 

Sugar and processed foods, and early years living with emissions / pollution. 

Well not those brought up in Scotland.