7 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

That is how averages work.

 

I am not convinced that those born in the 1960,s and 70,s will be very long lived as an average. No matter what scientists say. 

Sugar and processed foods, and early years living with emissions / pollution. 

Well not those brought up in Scotland.

Neither am I, but the expectancy in 1960 was low compared with today anyway, and in 1950 it was 68.69 years and I'm a 1949 child, so already beaten that expectancy figure and my mother was a 1922 child so what was her expectancy figure I wonder?

Edited 25 August, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

...... my mother was a 1922 child so what was her expectancy figure I wonder?

Back then deaths associated with child birth were orders of magnitude higher than they are now ( or even were in the 1960s ) .

In addition to deaths directly associated with birth ( both mother and child ) there were many ( at the time frequently fatal ) diseases that the child could pickup ( generally in the first few years of life )

In the West most of these diseases where controlable by the '60s ( the last one that I recall being polio ) but are still a problem in some parts of the world 😞 

 

Just to add, I dont believe that electric cars were at all common in those days. Even if they had been, I doubt that the death stats surrounding birth back then would be significantly different to what they were  ( what an obvious attempt to bring electric cars into a post   )

Edited 25 August, 20241 yr by olddog

there's some excellent explanations from the Office of National Statistics on how life expectancy rates are calculated if anyone's interested

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/methodologies/periodandcohortlifeexpectancyexplained


Nb looking at the life tables life expectancy at age 65 years in the UK (as a whole)  in 2020 to 2022 (latest available)  was 18.3 years for males (ie someone aged 65 in 2020/2022 could expect to live to 83.5) and 20.8 years for females (or 85.8)

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

my mother was a 1922 child so what was her expectancy figure I wonder?

Based on the tables at the link below I would say that a woman who was 60 in 1982 (ie born in 1922) would have been expected to live an additional 20.89 years


https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/bulletins/englishlifetablesno17/2015-09-01

Whereas when she was 10 years old in 1932 she would have had  life expectancy then of a further 58.87 years

My mum was born in 1923 but at 20 went from the Edinburgh area where her brothers and father had not long lives up to Macduff.

To where my dad was 1 or 12, the 2nd youngest, his younger brother died at 12. (Infection started with a carbuncle)

Anyway my mum has had the long life like 4 of my dads sisters. a North East war time diet, then a life of healthy food.)

My gran did not live so long having had 11 children in 25 years or so.    Ps been putting pictures on Facebook this week.

Edited 25 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

When you had your attack, were you in a very dusty environment, because that is what I've been told is more likely to trigger an attack these days.

 

No it was while running and passing someone using a hedgetrimmer on conifers.

 

I was working in and still do work in dusty atmospheres.

 

That was the only attack but the peak flow meter shows low readings some days.

 

I was going to stop the prescribed medication (Innovair Inhaler) as most of the time my peak flow readings were the same as they were in my 30's (I brought on asthma a couple of times spraying 2 pack paint) I never seem to be short of breath when running or doing intense physical work but the Pneumologue said that my flow rates on their laboratory machine (in a booth) were down and I should continue but allowed me to drop it to once a day.

 

I was shocked when I saw the compte rendu sent to my GP (its accessible on line with all my medical records) to see that I only had 75% of theoretical breathing capacity, had I known that when I was running in competitions I would definitely have medicated myself, I know what 25% airflow restriction does to a petrol engine!!!!!!!!

 

I also know that it was almost impossible to run with a Covid mask and my pace drops  off if I am wearing a too tight Lycra top, - resistance against chest expansion.

Like so much in this thread, this is loosely connected with the theme of electric cars, but it was mentioned a week or so about electric boats, and this has popped up in my suggested viewing list on YT.

 

 

  

5 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Now if the air was as polluted as we are being told it is

We've gone over this previously.

 

Just because breathing in lead (for example) was believed to be okay back in the "good ol' days". Doesn't mean new scientific evidence should be ignored.

 

The goal post is constantly changing for the better because the world is constantly changing.

On the World Service during the night i heard a programme that was about the Study by who ever where ever on the affect of pollution on health, mental health.

Pre-born and young people and later life and mental health and depression. 

 

It did talk about the highest concentration of pollution then went on to India and just how bad pollution was there and the concentration of particles and the affect on wider health. 

Where Scotland's highest reported polluted streets were was pretty near bus stations, or bus stances or routes through built up areas. 

 

Maybe where there is blame there is a claim.  After all who ran the busses and bus stations is a known known, as who ran the country. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 26 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

@Ootohere and with many buses across the UK running at less than 15% capacity each time, that's a load of pollution being produced for nothing, whereas if those buses were running much nearer to 100% each time, then they would be more environmentally friendly. Strangely enough that is almost as they were when I worked on them, often running well at 200 to 300% at peak times, which took loads of cars of the roads, and roads lasted far longer and potholes were almost unheard of and then capitalism took over and worked against the best interests of the country.

Around Scotland which is Electricity rich there are electric busses in towns, cities and going between them.  Hydrogen ones also.

The quicker more are rolled out the better. 

 

England just needs to be getting in with things. 

Tell me how your buses could run at 300% capacity and I will explain how my apartment hôtel ran at 110% occupation one summer.

35 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Tell me how your buses could run at 300% capacity and I will explain how my apartment hôtel ran at 110% occupation one summer.

That for me is easy to do, when you see one normal service bus full up and following behind it is two or three other buses showing in the destination blind s window either the words "Duplicate" or "Relief", meaning that there was far too many passengers requiring the normal service bus so the inspectors at the garage decided bring out more buses to take those passengers, rather than leaving them to catch the next service bus in 20 minutes time.

 

Did you have to erect some tents or bring some caravans?

Edited 26 August, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

OK, CITY busses, or maybe LONDON Busses. 

 Lots of drivers just sitting paid on standby ready to take a bus out on  route. 

 

The thing is that in this decade and this century and around the UK is pretty different from the Capital City of England.

No, I had a mix of long and short stay renters, the workers at the Airbus factory stayed 10 or 11 months of the year vacating during July and August when I would always be at 100% with Commonwealth tourists at a much higher nightly rate.

 

Some engineers would stay 3 during a 3 month or so contract working through the summer, they were regulars and I would not refuse them, a couple of guys rented and paid in advance and within a week were sent to Spain to oversee the sub contract manufacture of their project, had I charged them the nightly rate for their stay it would have been more, the company paid their expenses anyway so I stored their bags for their return with a guarantee that I would accommodate them, their rooms were relet on the nightly rate within a couple of hours which also happened whenever there was a cancellation.

 

Back then I had a 10.5 month tourist season and 10.5 month long term rental season which overlapped, after Covid I decided to move on to pastures new as it would have meant starting from zero, not starting again because before I went from zero to 100% in weeks and I felt it would take years for either market to return and neither would be at the same level, it seems I was right.

3 hours ago, Ootohere said:

OK, CITY busses, or maybe LONDON Busses. 

 Lots of drivers just sitting paid on standby ready to take a bus out on  route. 

 

The thing is that in this decade and this century and around the UK is pretty different from the Capital City of England.

Chelmsford at the time was only a market town with a population of around 100,000 so hardly a city, and it was a very common sight to see buses sort of forming a convoy on the town routes. In the mornings and evenings as well, there used to be special "Works" services that would be be routed from the edges of the town into all the factory sights dotted over the town and the reverse in the evenings to take them all home. It would be these services that I and many of the engineers would catch to go to the garage in the mornings. When I got myself a car (Hillman Minx of 1957 vintage) I was then asked to be one of the first to arrive in order to ensure that the buses were already ready for the crews to take on the road. Twice a year I would definitely be the very last person to leave the garage as I had to ensure that the clocks were all resynchronised with the clocks being reset to reflect the Summer Time 1 hour difference. These were mostly operated by a master clock in the offices with the others being slaved from that on ring circuit with 20 second pulses to all clocks.

This is/was the differences between a nationalised service and private services, the former was a public service and run for the benefit of its users, the public and the latter, purely for profit and the public go do whatever they like.

Edited 26 August, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

10 hours ago, Ootohere said:

On the World Service during the night i heard a programme that was about the Study by who ever where ever on the affect of pollution on health, mental health.

Pre-born and young people and later life and mental health and depression. 

 

It did talk about the highest concentration of pollution then went on to India and just how bad pollution was there and the concentration of particles and the affect on wider health. 

Where Scotland's highest reported polluted streets were was pretty near bus stations, or bus stances or routes through built up areas. 

 

Maybe where there is blame there is a claim.  After all who ran the busses and bus stations is a known known, as who ran the country. 

 

 

 

 

Not to mention however that you are exposed to more pollution within your own home, especially if you have a coal, wood burner, or gas being used for heating/cooking etc, whereas when you're outside, the breeze or in some cases strong winds actually disperse the fumes from traffic exhaust so you are actually less exposed and safer outside then you are inside your house, especially in the colder months of the year as people tend to keep doors and windows tightly shut to keep the heat in.

 

I wonder just how much effect this volcano eruption in Iceland is going to have on the figures?

 

Met Office is 'monitoring' sulphur dioxide gas cloud passing over the UK after volcanic eruption in Iceland | Daily Mail Online

Edited 26 August, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

Fill your tank as you wish and empty it and have others breath it as you reach end of life.

Never mind the buzzcocks.

It is always worse elsewhere for others. 

 

 

Lots of Scotland has no Mains Gas, so it would be bottled gas or tanks filled.

Councils removed real fires in lots of Scotland and there are no coal deliveries. So wood burners. 

 

All the choice of those that live there if they want to breath what ever. Sadly many do have to suffer the mould though. 

So maybe children get whatever from birth and out and about as well as at home or school. 

It is much the same down here in England as well. That said there are still suppliers of both coal and wood for home fires, do a Google search and they pop up all over the place. Many garages actively sell coal in sealed plastic bags and also logs. We also have areas where there is no mains gas so they have to use bottled or tank gas or even oil, so we are no different to Scotland.

 

We even have forum members here who still use wood burners, my Mum if she was still alive today would I'm sure still use an old-fashioned wood burner, she had 2 in her house, also had gas central heating installed and also, just for good measure had 2 gas balanced flue fires installed on external walls and a plethora of electric heaters, just in case. 

 

The plain truth is, that everyone who cooks by gas is exposing everyone in the house to far higher levels of pollution than they would be outside. So is everyone from the very smallest baby right the way through to the elderly and infirm who be bedridden. The only to avoid that is cook and heat by electric, but of course none of that fits scripted narrative, does it?

 

 

Edited 26 August, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

@Graham Butcher  not many without a vehicle are buying coal or wood from a filling station and walking home with it. 

20 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@Graham Butcher  not many without a vehicle are buying coal or wood from a filling station and walking home with it. 

You can still have it delivered as well.

Keep on doing as you do, as you show that really you are not part of a problem that seemingly is no problem really. 

 

There are bans coming. Or plans for them, but plans change. 

A ban on new registrations of petrol and diesel cars in the UK and maybe eventually gas heating and cooking and real fires.

We really do not know if it will happen anytime before 2050 as everything is variable in this world and in the British Isles. 

I'm doomed. I use gas for cooking and heating. I've also got a log burner we use occasionally

Wonder if there's any steps I could take to mitigate the build up of pollutants whilst frying bacon in the mornings?

If only I had some sort of hood with an electric fan for example.....................

27 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

I'm doomed. I use gas for cooking and heating. I've also got a log burner we use occasionally

Wonder if there's any steps I could take to mitigate the build up of pollutants whilst frying bacon in the mornings?

If only I had some sort of hood with an electric fan for example.....................

Aaannndddd so am I, and my family, we use gas for everything 😅 and my poor mum with her use of 2 log burners, gas heating and cooking only survived to the young age of 92, and her 2 sisters who had similar devices, 1 passed at 100 and the other is still with us and almost 100. And when they were children only had pond water for washing, cooking and drinking. Compared to them, we have never had it so good. 😆

 

It shows the degree of scare mongering and hype going on today. I'm learning some history about my city and there was in 1888 a massive flood that wiped out many buildings. Climate change would be the excuse given today for it. 

Edited 27 August, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher