7 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@domhnall

Who did Roland Berger's  Market Research / Polling of EV drivers?     I think he might just be blowing smoke up someones arses.

Sure is.    Big in consultancy.

So paid consultancy.  Who does their polling?

There is all kinds of BS going on regarding EV,s in the UK. 

Now a Survey by and independent Polling Company or 3 is really what is needed. 

@Ootohere I've paid for polling and research before. You don;t get to tell them what the answer should be

Just now, Ootohere said:

There is all kinds of BS going on regarding EV,s in the UK. 

Now a Survey by and independent Polling Company or 3 is really what is needed. 

that's not how polling works, independent means they need to get paid. Kudwig is independent, but someone needs to pay for them to work

Insiders.   Never trust them.   

Ask the people and show the numbers, and be sure they are EV users.

Surveys.

Ask EV Drivers in Scotland, Do not give figures for the UK and ask those just in the London area. 

Edited 4 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

3 minutes ago, domhnall said:

YOu clearly haven't been on the A68 before. Costco was the first one I passed and  I really needed to fill up. I didn't pass another one for another 40 miles or so. The only one shown on google was closed.

Well I wouldn't say I haven't been on the A68 before, but that was a while ago and as I have lived in Essex all my life, its no surprise that the A68 is not a road that I normally use. But its fair to say that its unreasonable to include the time taken to exit the A68, drive to and from Costco to rejoin the A68 in the time taken to refuel your vehicle, especially as I said that it would have been the sensible thing to do ensure that you had plenty of fuel before setting off. The actual process of sticking the hose in your filler tube and filling the car and paying only took you a few minutes, in reality, the rest of the time was getting there and back.

 

Today I had to drop my son off in the centre of Chelmsford for work, 2.1 miles away and it normally takes 6 minutes, today it took 28 minutes and the reason for that was road works with temp traffic lights brought everything to a crawl and that just shows you why it is important to plan ahead and get the housekeeping bit done in advance before a long trip as you never know what else you are going to encounter over the next 200 miles or so to further delay your progress.

14 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Insiders.   Never trust them.   

Ask the people and show the numbers, and be sure they are EV users.

The problem with surveys is much the same problem with scientific reports being commissioned by the body that is seeking to introduce something, such as a low emission zone, for example, that report/survey is going to be biased towards the body that is paying the piper.

57 minutes ago, domhnall said:

1. Diesel sales are NOT outpacing electric sales:
 

Actually nobody was attempting to claim that diesels sales were out pacing electric sales, this is I think an assumption that you have made as a pro EV person, you appear to have done what so many other people who are pro EV, do is formulate an opinion on just one or two fragments of statements and have up with 2+2=22 instead of 4.

 

I simply made the statement this morning that I heard on National Radio that the sales of diesel cars was up 17% this year compared with just 3% last year, that was it, nothing else, no claim that were outselling EVs, just a claim that diesel sales was up by 17%, full stop, and neither was their any claim made on the national radio news other than the diesel sales were up by 17%.

4 hours ago, Ootohere said:

 

 

@Winston_Woof Why 3 Approved drivers?,   it is not a Motability car.   I do not have any Approved drivers on the car now from Motability.

Exempt from VED as a Disabled driver.

I already have insurance for 2 cars i own. 

I have Break Down cover from my Bank Accounts, as does my partner. 

 

You pay at least £11,000 in 3 years for the pleasure of a new car for 3 years lease.

£75.75 a week just now. x 156 = £11.778.  It goes up each year.  Then any advance payment you make. 

So really £12,000 for the next 3 years unless you get the likes of a Dacia Spring.

156 x £60 = £9,360 for 3 years, car and maintenance, insurance and a Free Home Charger or a BP Subscription for 3 years.

 

Maintenance covered but Motability only have them serviced at 2 years and before 3 years and a MOT and Motability use the Warranty on any Warranty Issues.

They do not let the manufacturers take the pith.  And neither did i when Arnold Clark tried telling me the Corsa Electric needed drop links and discs and pads. 

But said when reminded it was a Motability car that Motability would not approve the work.

I told them they would as i had sent them the Technicians Video sent to me in error thinking i was a MUG PUNTER. 

 

I have had 13 Motabiity Lease cars and bought 2 with HP From Motability and owned those for 17 years and 6 years.

I used to buy and sell Ex Motability cars starting in 1979 with Mini,s then in 1982 with Metros. 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motability#How_it_works




Acknowledged you may not choose/require some of the options

Edited 4 October, 20241 yr by Winston_Woof

@Winston_Woof  Acknowledge i know what you get from Motability because i have had 13 lease cars from them.

I just wondered why you think me buying the next car would mean that i would have 3 named drivers on the car i own. 

 

Customers not only can lease a new car, just now and when i changed i got £750 to change my car.

& you get a 'Good Condition payment',   We also got that early during Covid to help us.  And 3 payments of £50 because insurance claims were low during 'Lock Down'. 

 

Back years ago you were only allowed 12,000 miles a year with a Motability car before paying per mile over that.

Just using a car to work was over 12,000 miles a year and i always run other cars. 

Also to keep up NCB,s back then you had to have insurance running for 3 years or you lost it.

 

The Dealers used to be able to Buy back cars before they all had to go to BCA.

We used to be able to buy them, or ask how much to, up until last year.

*We used to be able to borrow for 4 years to buy a Used car or 5 years for a new car at a low interest.* I did that twice.

The Last car i bought with a Loan from Motability had the last 12 months of payments from me stopped and they gave me the V5 and i saved on paying that back. 

This was as they Reorganised Motability Finance and the Banks. 

 

Lots of stuff stopped or changed when the Government allowed the 6 big banks to get hold of the Motability Funds that were held.

Bank crash 2008.  

Then it went from being difficult to return a car early, and strict rules to a very Commercial Charity and turning cars over and over, 

people getting high value cars.

Then a Cap of £26,000 was introduced and that was a joke as many adapted cars were costing many times more and it was back to a free for all.

There has always been cheating, family or friends getting cars and the disabled person never in them other than maybe hand over day.

Cars hired out, used as taxis etc etc.

Cars CLOCKED. 

 

In the first years of Motability the cars went to Auction in London & Preston and you could get a list of registration numbers and make offers or bids sight unseen.

All cars got new tyres before being sold.

 

You can extend your lease if the cars mileage is low at 3 years old and during Covid and the Car / Chip shortage we were encouraged to extend the lease, or might have to because the new car you wanted would be delayed.

 

The reason i am saying i will buy a car in 2 years is i want a 2023 MINI from before the new ones.

The £35,500 RRP Electric one i have which is 15 months old is could be replaced by a one bought today in the same spec for under £20,000 cash money or on the never never.

So if i wanted the car i have the Dealer has to buy it and then sell it to me.

But in 2026 if i want one 3 years old i would not buy from a MINI Approved Dealer.  I will buy from BCA and the car i have now or one the same with every option.

Or i will buy a 2023 5 door Mini Automatic with a 1.5 or 2.0 petrol engine, again from Auction or from the trade, likely not at a Main Dealership.

 

Que sera sera, things happen but at the moment that is my plan unless something changes.

As far as the past goes i know every penny i have spent on my own vehicles bought since i was 15 years old.

Edited 5 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Strange that they won't allow you to buy the car you already have directly from them. I can't think that BCA are going to give them a better price for it, surely when a car goes to auction, the price that they pay for a car is going to be the final selling price, minus BCA's commission? Sometimes cars will sell for a very low price under the hammer.

They just changed that this year or last and i only read it this year.

They have asked too much in the past and not accepted my offer and then they got less from the car going to auction.

It is all part of the UK Economy and Car Trade. 

 

The Alhambra i had was over £32,000 RRP / Invoice price.

The day i collected it and put in the PIN number there was £24,200 paid by Motability for the car.  I had paid £800 advance payment.

£400 was advance and £400 my options. Dark Factory Tints, hide what was in as used as a bike carrier.

 

Arnold Clark bought it and struggled to sell it and had to re MOT twice as Covid came and went and came and sales fell through.

In the end i could have bought it as  Customer going to Arnold Clark and bought it for £5,000 less than i offered Motability.

It would have had the new Discs & Pads and Wipers that it needed at the MOT but it never got. 

(The problem really was i knew how it was driven for 3 years and Never Raced or Rallied, well not offroad. Immaculate, but abused.)

 

I could have chosen the Top Model with everything, Leather, Electric Doors, 2.0 TDI 184 ps DSG, 18" wheels etc and paid just £600 Advance Paument.

I wanted the basic car, 16" wheels, not leather, not auto headlights, no roof rails or chrome. 

The Lighter car that would go furthest on less fuel & i could fit good winter tyres to.    Not the False Official MPG figures SEAT gave.

Edited 5 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Screen Shot shows the issue with AI and Google now.

Wrong info often comes up first.

26 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

(The problem really was i knew how it was driven for 3 years and Never Raced or Rallied, well not offroad. Immaculate, but abused.)

Likewise when I retired, thats why I brought my car rather that buying another from a dealer etc, I knew its entire history, like yours immaculate, shame I didn't know its future through 

Edited 5 October, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

@Graham Butcher  Sorry, what i meant was i would not have touched it with your barge pole.

It was clogging the DPF, had started sipping AdBlue and would be a liability and i had not the money to buy it, but i knew a trader that would have given me £500 finders fee if Motability had sold it to me for what i offered. 

My offer was the right book price and Arnold Clark paid pretty much what i offered. 

 

I had already bought another car as i was refused PIP and was appealing and had 6 weeks to return the car if PIP was not awarded.

Lots and lots lost DLA or PIP and had to return cars.

 

This 100,000 extra customers in 12 months is maybe people encouraged to apply for PIP before too old to be awarded, and the change of qualifying with mental health or other disabilities, then people with Long Covid getting PIP Mobility component.

Edited 5 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Apparently, according to what I hear and see, that AdBlue doesn't work anyway, so far I have managed to avoid cars which need that.

4 hours ago, Ootohere said:

@Winston_Woof  Acknowledge i know what you get from Motability because i have had 13 lease cars from them.

I just wondered why you think me buying the next car would mean that i would have 3 named drivers on the car i own. 

 

 

Methinks thou dost overanalyse things ;o)


I was merely highlighting that , dependent on individual circumstances , that if you move from a Motability Lease to  say a private purchase then there are various factors that you may have to pay for. One of those being that on a Motability lease you can (apparently)  have insurance for up to 3 named  drivers included in the lease.

I keep seeing folk on here posting loads of tables that claim that we are producing loads of renewable power so we are getting to be self-sufficient for power and that EV cars are actually using green energy, any comments on this then?

 

 

 

Domestic price comparisons: International domestic energy prices - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Industrial price comparisons: International industrial energy prices - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

 

Edited 5 October, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

5 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

I keep seeing folk on here posting loads of tables that claim that we are producing loads of renewable power so we are getting to be self-sufficient for power and that EV cars are actually using green energy, any comments on this then?

 

 

 

Domestic price comparisons: International domestic energy prices - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Industrial price comparisons: International industrial energy prices - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

 

 

Wind now exceeds gas.  Report from National Grid NESO.

The UK does not have to be self sufficient as it makes economic sense to buy electricity cheap from Denmark and Norway and nuclear from France.

Great news coal now dead from this month as the dirtiest of fuel.  Attached is the report. September out in next day or so. 

 

How was our electricity generated?  (August 2024 report

Gas 16.8%

Wind 31.8%

Nuclear 18.2%

Biomass 7.1%

Coal 0.2%

Solar 8%

Imports 14.4%

Hydro 2%

Storage 1.5%

 

739636_NESO_MonthlyElectricityReport_August_2024.pdf

Lots of Natural Gas is required over the 25 years for the Labour Governments Carbon Capture Scheme and the production of 'Blue Hydrogen'.

Natural Gas that the UK does not have available from the waters off the UK now or over the next 25 years. 

Well, I'm still not seeing it, if the figures that @lol-lol posted are correct then what the hell is going on here, why are we paying so much more than our neighbours?

5 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Well, I'm still not seeing it, if the figures that @lol-lol posted are correct then what the hell is going on here, why are we paying so much more than our neighbours?

 

Because

 

'Electricity of France'), commonly known as EDF, is a French multinational electric utility company owned by the government of France.

 

 

Our Govt sold everything off and passed Billing on to Shareholders and Business for profits.

error

Edited 5 October, 20241 yr by Stonekeeper

21 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

I simply made the statement this morning that I heard on National Radio that the sales of diesel cars was up 17% this year compared with just 3% last year, that was it, nothing else, no claim that were outselling EVs, just a claim that diesel sales was up by 17%, full stop, and neither was their any claim made on the national radio news other than the diesel sales were up by 17%.

Look again at the post you quoted was to which was replying, it is a post you "liked", presumably read.  (may be I'm placing too much faith in your memory) 

 

On 04/10/2024 at 10:09, EnterName said:

As if by magic...

https://www.sharesmagazine.co.uk/news/market/1728031138708872700/uk-private-demand-for-new-diesel-cars-growing-faster-than-for-evs

 

 

7 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

I keep seeing folk on here posting loads of tables that claim that we are producing loads of renewable power so we are getting to be self-sufficient for power and that EV cars are actually using green energy, any comments on this then?

The undeniable truth is that we have zero coal power source started 5 days ago.

Also, there is far less demand overnight where most EV are charging, whilst wind/nuclear are not generating less overnight.

 

There is a huge difference between being completely reliant on far away foreign powers with vastly different political views, or partially reliant on our closest neighbours.

It's like the B word, which makes more trading sense: trading with a giant economical powerhouse next to us, or trade with countries at other side of the world?