1 hour ago, Dieselgate said:

Our workplace has electric buses at the nearby bus stop some of the time.

There definitely isn't a charger at the terminus end nearest to us - I presume there is at the other end though.

No, I got that wrong, that charger for that bus was at the bus station/garage and it seems that the bus calls there once per trip and it adds 20 miles of range.

I have certainly read it somewhere that some buses (location not known) do charge at one end or other of their routes.

3 hours ago, classic said:

Indeed it is. 2 minutes on google have revealed to me that hvo fuel may not be the silver bullet that the Nottingham council fleet manager believes it is…

https://airqualitynews.com/fuels/hvo-fuel-market-beset-by-fraud-report-finds/

I wonder who Transport and Environment actually is and or funds it, that is the real question as there will another report created somewhere by someone that will counter that one. It is so difficult to decide which is fact or fiction these days, why I like to look beneath the stone and see if there is alternative possible reason for things.

Its a bit like the old joke, how do you know if a politician is lying or not, if his lips are moving, he's lying.

Trust has to be earned and we have all been systematically lied to over the years by people who we elect to office to do great things for us and our country when so few of them are experts in anything and they listen to the lobby/thinktank groups who are in the employ of rich powerful people who are keen to get a particular result.

Edited 9 September, 20259 Sep by Graham Butcher

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

I wonder who Transport and Environment actually is and or funds it

Don't need to ask, less than 30 seconds shows this.

https://www.transportenvironment.org/about-us/funders

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

they listen to the lobby/thinktank groups who are in the employ of rich powerful people who are keen to get a particular result.

Indeed:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/20/lobbyists-for-oil-and-gas-companies-shell-bp-exxonmobil

openDemocracy

Three ways the fossil fuel industry influences the UK pol...

Climate change is one terrifying symptom of a broken economic system which needs a drastic redistribution of power. You can help.

The Independent

Fossil fuel lobbyists outnumber any country delegation at...

Oil, gas and coal better represented at the Glasgow summit than the combined representation of the eight countries who have suffered the greatest climate impacts since 2000, research has found

I highly recommend this book:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_Doubt

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Edited 9 September, 20259 Sep by Ootohere

32 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Don't need to ask, less than 30 seconds shows this.

https://www.transportenvironment.org/about-us/funders

Indeed:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/20/lobbyists-for-oil-and-gas-companies-shell-bp-exxonmobil

openDemocracy

Three ways the fossil fuel industry influences the UK pol...

Climate change is one terrifying symptom of a broken economic system which needs a drastic redistribution of power. You can help.

The Independent

Fossil fuel lobbyists outnumber any country delegation at...

Oil, gas and coal better represented at the Glasgow summit than the combined representation of the eight countries who have suffered the greatest climate impacts since 2000, research has found

I highly recommend this book:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_Doubt

Interesting one funder has direct links to TFL and many of the LEZs as well the proposed PPM.

Apparently Citroen were making electric Berlingo vans back in 1998 but were using NiCad batteries, who knew?

That means there has been activity on electric vehicles in the European motor industry long before many think, so why did they cease going down that road?

Edited 10 September, 202510 Sep by Graham Butcher

I guess they quickly realised that it might spontaneously combust and even if it didn’t the batteries would need replacing in a couple of years at massive cost. Add to that the lack of that lovely HDi Diesel sound and boredom of not being able to change gear it is no surprise they quickly gave up until the EU deep state forced them to look again in order to control everybody’s lives and prevent freedom of choice and travel.

2 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

NiCad batteries

That means there has been activity on electric vehicles in the European motor industry long before many think, so why did they cease going down that road?

Simple, it's the batteries. Li-on are far superior in both performance and longevity.

I just (last night) got some new Li-on batteries in standard AA size for my Lego technichub I recently started playing/messing. It makes the motor performance of this cheaper hub comparable to other more expensive built-in Li-on battery hubs.

On 10/09/2025 at 14:41, wyx087 said:

Simple, it's the batteries. Li-on are far superior in both performance and longevity.

I just (last night) got some new Li-on batteries in standard AA size for my Lego technichub I recently started playing/messing. It makes the motor performance of this cheaper hub comparable to other more expensive built-in Li-on battery hubs.

I think just about everyone and their dog knows that Li-on batteries are far superior in energy density and length of life, also that NiCad batteries are nasty for the environment to boot and very corrosive when they start to leak everywhere. I have seen many pieces of technical test equipment and also also rechargeable calculators that have had their circuit boards completely destroyed when the electrolyte leaks and creeps across the PCB's.

Does anyone here ever feel a little odd when driving their electric cars particularly on extended drives, and not just BEV's but hybrids and PHEVs as well? If so then it seems that a new study has shown that they are emitting a far higher level of microwave energy then what is considered to a safe level apparently. This is alleged to be at its worst when pulling away and accelerating as well as when doing regen to top up the battery a report says.

Microwave News | WakeUp Call for EV Industry

Edited 12 September, 202512 Sep by Graham Butcher

6 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Does anyone here ever feel a little odd when driving their electric cars particularly on extended drives, and not just BEV's but hybrids and PHEVs as well? If so then it seems that a new study has shown that they are emitting a far higher level of microwave energy then what is considered to a safe level apparently. This is alleged to be at its worst when pulling away and accelerating as well as when doing regen to top up the battery a report says.

Microwave News | WakeUp Call for EV Industry

Microwave ¿????????????

Magnetic field perhaps

My Scenic EV does play Jean Michel Jarre when travelling under 20 mph and he had an album called Magnetic Fields

Edited 12 September, 202512 Sep by lol-lol

If they keep at it they might get more research grants and keep them selves in a job.

Holy camoly it must be a worry for those in electric trains, tubes, trams. Especially drivers of these.

It looks like they are still building them and offering for sale even though 'Nobody wants an EV' or Nobody is buying EV,s!

@Ootohere the 400kW charge rate is ideal for Scotland with the abundance of power you have, as long as they build the chargers and up rate the feeders to all the hubs......

12 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Does anyone here ever feel a little odd when driving their electric cars particularly on extended drives, and not just BEV's but hybrids and PHEVs as well? If so then it seems that a new study has shown that they are emitting a far higher level of microwave energy then what is considered to a safe level apparently. This is alleged to be at its worst when pulling away and accelerating as well as when doing regen to top up the battery a report says.

Microwave News | WakeUp Call for EV Industry

I will wrap myself in tin foil just like I do when using any modern day electronic device.

Isn’t everyone doing this ?

EY report on EV sales around the world......

China surging ahead,

Europe licking along at a good pace

US moving towards EVs but at a much slower pace...........

Enjoy Amigos

5 hours ago, classic said:

Enjoy Amigos

About a decade late on the expose.

China uses mostly LFP batteries now, Europe gradually catching on a wave of LFP batteried cars come to the market which are much cheaper than Lithium EVs and ICE.

Ok, someone is most certainly trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes. This shows why I always say that you need to ignore the headlines and the fanfare etc and dig deep into the actual figures as Barrie does here regarding statements and articles by Cinch do not back up the actual figures. SMMT are also complicit in my view as they keep reporting BEV sales are up all the time, when in reality they are not actually sold to either fleets or private buyers, but to the dealers and makers alike by preregistering them, storing and then reappearing some time later as used cars with just delivery miles on the clock!

2 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Ok, someone is most certainly trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes. This shows why I always say that you need to ignore the headlines and the fanfare etc and dig deep into the actual figures as Barrie does here regarding statements and articles by Cinch do not back up the actual figures. SMMT are also complicit in my view as they keep reporting BEV sales are up all the time, when in reality they are not actually sold to either fleets or private buyers, but to the dealers and makers alike by preregistering them, storing and then reappearing some time later as used cars with just delivery miles on the clock!

Frankly I don't care what type of sale it is as long ad it gets another EV on to the market.

Schemes such as Salary Sactlrifice for EVs have helped deliver many thousands of EV registrations in line with the previous government's aims as well as this one.

The penalties for not hitting the 28% of all sales being EVs are very severe so they will take cars on as demos etc to hit the Reg target.

Second hand cars offer additional sources of profit for dealerships and car sales Agencies. 2nd hand cars are usually sold with higher rates of finance and dealers would make more money in that way.

I was at the dealers on Friday organising the replacement for the Zoe and the Megane-e looks a logical replacement. Renault offering 4 years interest free and a proce thousands less than they were 2 or 3 years ago. Then add in the UK government grant. Wow what a deal.

Chatting around all sorts of stuff and then somehow occupation, motoring organisational discounts cropped up. Oh my God. I was looking at getting 5 or maybe 6 %. With Occupational discount stuff, boom, 20%, saves extra thousands.

EV sales, getting on the UK market by various routes, does not bother the UK government or those of use supporting EV adoption and whilst fellow Worcester people ie Geoff buys cars, blow hot over it most are not concerned. As long ad there is not fraud over the EV scheme, think there was reportedly quite a bit in PRC, not bothered and great for getting more EVs out there.

Be that as it is, but the interesting point is that I have been observing the points that Barrie is making here and in previous videos, and to me it seems that he is speaking the truth, and new BEVs are not selling like hot cakes and outstripping supply as many other people are suggesting. The evidence is there on Autotrader as it lists the date of first registrations in the adverts, and these are very often 2 to 3 years before them being listed for sale, and these cars only have a handful of miles on them, and then they are having to offer heavy discounts and still they can't shift them. As you suggest, if they were being used as demonstrators, how were they used as static ones to allow potential customers to sit in them and not ever take them for a short spin around the block?

If all the claims being made about them selling well, ask yourself why they were discussing a discount to you on that Megane-e that you are eyeing up? It is not the sort of thing that happens if sales are booming.

Edited 21 September, 202521 Sep by Graham Butcher

53 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

As you suggest, if they were being used as demonstrators, how were they used as static ones to allow potential customers to sit in them and not ever take them for a short spin around the block?

That's a reasonable point. I once had a "demo" of a Dacia Logan MPV in which I never even saw the keys, let alone drove the car a whole metre. Still, I was able to establish one point of interest; that I could "sit behind myself" in the car with a comfortable leg and steering position (short term).

Edited 21 September, 202521 Sep by Paws4Thot

16 minutes ago, Paws4Thot said:

That's a reasonable point. I once had a "demo" of a Dacia Logan MPV in which I never even saw the keys, let alone drove the car a whole metre. Still, I was able to establish one point of interest; that I could "sit behind myself" in the car with a comfortable leg and steering position (short term).

But how many of such cars does one dealer need? There are lots of such cars, offered by the same dealer for sale with huge discounts, and which have been discounted multiple times and still not sold?

How many people are willing to purchase a car based upon a demo where all you did was sit in the car, you have zero idea what it drives like, are the pedals in the right place for you, is the steering wheel at the right position for you etc, in many cars the pedal box or the steering wheel is not in the correct place to make it really comfortable or indeed safe for you to consider it as a really viable car to splash money on.

Edited 21 September, 202521 Sep by Graham Butcher

Barrie Crampton…..

I’m out.

Even Harry Metcalf is also saying that BEV's are not selling and our government has got it all wrong.

Every BEV has to be massively subsidized in order to get companies to purchase them, the private buyer is being put off by the high cost and the lack of ability to charge from home, and even when they can, the need to use public chargers on longer trips is not suitable on a cost basis and also the time taken to charge.